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[ellicottraven]

You know this question vexes me more than any other, even though I am fantasizing that I may one day have the power or ability to do so. However, this is my Ravens' team and it is important for me to make sure the organization makes all the right moves and spends its allocated cap room very judiciously. Only then will we stay competitive and remain winning as a franchise....

I am glad we extended Webby and Rice in the off season. However, the fact that they are not closing the deal on Flacco has me wondering - what's up with that??? How much can we truly afford to pay Flacco? Do we pay him top 5 money and lock him up? (it seems like his agent will only accept top 5 money from all indications) Or do we wait and tag him next year?

Any comments and fruitful discussion is welcome...

Just for fun I have also included a poll...

Edited by ellicottraven, 26 October 2012 - 02:12 PM.

[NFLGirl]

While the last few games have been pretty disappointing, especially with the multiple interceptions he threw in the last game, it's hard to feel comfort in Flacco. However, I think over-all, he's a good quarterback and most of our offensive problems lay with the O-Line. They really need to give him time. So, I voted we sign him ASAP if he agrees to top 10 QBs because I do believe he's a great QB. I'm just not sure if he's really in top 5 category... but that's just my opinion.

[redrum52]

Not trying to bash but I think there was already a thread like this. I say wait til the off season.

[JohnJohnson]

Definitely not top 5 money. The fact is, he cannot carry this team on his back. He cannot overcome weaknesses in the o-line. The play calling is horrendous, but it appears to me that Flacco agrees with this pass happy approach. If Flacco wants to have a long career with the Ravens, he should accept a reasonable deal and stop clamoring for "respect" in the form of money. Anyone can see that he's not a top 5 QB. Top 5 QBs have terrible games once in a while. That's once or twice a season, not four times a season. Get rid of Cam, and use the franchise tag on Flacco if he won't accept a reasonable deal (or let him test the market and see that no one is giving him top 5 money). If he looks better under a different coordinator, maybe reconsider. But right now he doesn't seem to be able to overcome deficiencies; I am hoping that it's due to Cam's ridiculous play calling.

I have been supportive of Flacco since his rookie year, but his attitude and his apparent desire to get as much money as possible out of the Ravens FO is annoying.

Edited by JohnJohnson, 26 October 2012 - 02:28 PM.

[Moderator 3]

Not trying to bash but I think there was already a thread like this. I say wait til the off season.

Actually, several other threads on Flacco's contract. They all ended up locked due to poor behavior by the participants. Let's not repeat that.

[redrum52]

Actually, several other threads on Flacco's contract. They all ended up locked due to poor behavior by the participants. Let's not repeat that.

When you all see a new thread created, do you ever make bets by which page the topic will turn into a bash Cam/Joe/Pees thread? It seems there are certain things that can't be discussed without it coming back to Cam or Flacco. You know whats going to happen here, right?

[PlayLikeAFan]

Tough question, before this season I would have said he was worth a lot more money but now I'm unsure so I would wait it out to the end of the season to see if his play improves or if he stays where he is at. If worst comes to worst and we cant get a reasonable deal franchise tag. At the moment though he is definately not worth top 5 money unless he improves drastically. It sucks because QB's like Sanchez and Fitzpatrick got huge contracts so Flacco will be expecting money at least equal to them because he is a better QB.

Edited by PlayLikeAFan, 26 October 2012 - 02:44 PM.

[berad]

When you all see a new thread created, do you ever make bets by which page the topic will turn into a bash Cam/Joe/Pees thread? It seems there are certain things that can't be discussed without it coming back to Cam or Flacco. You know whats going to happen here, right?

Threads on the main forum are ok, most of the posters know each other and get along well, and most threads live and die without intervention. The blogs are the trouble-makers.

If there's even a slight mention of politics people will jump on it and get ugly - we make sure to watch those. Also, whenever the headline is a picture/story about the Steelers, people get upset (myself included).

On topic, I like that his pay / this poll is not a number but rather a range of relative QB values. People say 'idk if he's worth $100M' but that's essentially the going rate for a QB of Joe's caliber. I think top 10.

[The Raven]

Roughly 7 years for 100 million. +/- 15 million. This puts his salary at about $14.28 million. I also advocate making his contract very heavy with incentives. He has the potential to be a Top 5 QB in a few years, so he should be compensated as such. That's the purpose of the incentives. But right now, I wouldn't give him more than $15 million.

Before any angry Flacco haters pounce on me for this post, let me say this. Approximately 14 million is the going rate for a franchise QB whether you like it or not. Flacco IS a franchise QB, whether you believe it or not. His price range is from roughly $13 million to $16 million. He is not elite just yet, but he is our guy. Please note, I said he is not elite!

[NFLGirl]

I also advocate making his contract very heavy with incentives. He has the potential to be a Top 5 QB in a few years, so he should be compensated as such. That's the purpose of the incentives.

I think you make a very valid point. Flacco is still early career and does have the potential of making Top 5. Let's not make the mistake of letting him go and then later regretting it.

[Bravens292]

i like flacco but he isn't really proving himself yet. we will have a lot more money for FA's the way he's playing. my guess is they will wait for romo to sign in the offseason and his contract will set a bar for the flacco talks.

Edited by Bravens292, 26 October 2012 - 03:50 PM.

[arnie_uk]

Less than manning brees Brady etc, more than Sanchez, Fitzpatrick etc who are in and around 14. More than Matt Schaub just signed based on the fact there's more potential to come from joe. He won't get as much as Matt Ryan will get when he does a new deal.

Sme similar to what Eli manning signed would be about his rate

[arnie_uk]

Roughly 7 years for 100 million. +/- 15 million. This puts his salary at about $14.28 million. I also advocate making his contract very heavy with incentives. He has the potential to be a Top 5 QB in a few years, so he should be compensated as such. That's the purpose of the incentives. But right now, I wouldn't give him more than $15 million.

Before any angry Flacco haters pounce on me for this post, let me say this. Approximately 14 million is the going rate for a franchise QB whether you like it or not. Flacco IS a franchise QB, whether you believe it or not. His price range is from roughly $13 million to $16 million. He is not elite just yet, but he is our guy. Please note, I said he is not elite!

you have to make that last part extra clear, because if you praise him at all these days you get accused of calling him elite, or as I was referred to there, a groupie

[BMOREHAWAII]

Definitely not top 5 money. The fact is, he cannot carry this team on his back. He cannot overcome weaknesses in the o-line. The play calling is horrendous, but it appears to me that Flacco agrees with this pass happy approach. If Flacco wants to have a long career with the Ravens, he should accept a reasonable deal and stop clamoring for "respect" in the form of money. Anyone can see that he's not a top 5 QB. Top 5 QBs have terrible games once in a while. That's once or twice a season, not four times a season. Get rid of Cam, and use the franchise tag on Flacco if he won't accept a reasonable deal (or let him test the market and see that no one is giving him top 5 money). If he looks better under a different coordinator, maybe reconsider. But right now he doesn't seem to be able to overcome deficiencies; I am hoping that it's due to Cam's ridiculous play calling.

I have been supportive of Flacco since his rookie year, but his attitude and his apparent desire to get as much money as possible out of the Ravens FO is annoying.

I agree with this 100%. People have been clamoring for Cam to let Joe have the helm and to evolve with the NFL and be a pass-happy team and looks what happens when we do.

Joe can NOT carry the team on his back, our defense goes down and he cannot help them by keeping the offense on the field, despite separation or not. Use you're legs and extend the play Joe, isn't that why you have them?

Our running game is THE focal point of this offense and it should stay that way. We have done HORRIBLE with less run plays and more passes and Houston has seen that over the years and took a page out of our old book and showed us how to execute it like how we used to.

Schaub isn't even that great of a passer yet he looks like he outshines Flacco despite having his best WR locked down almost every game. Flacco is on the same level as he is and I think he should get paid the same.

Edited by BMOREHAWAII, 26 October 2012 - 04:14 PM.

[Medications]

Hes a top 15 qb, maybe 12th or so, with top 10 potential in the future? So i'd pay him accordingly to that after this season ends

[gabefergy]

15M range. Hes a top 10 QB with the talent to be one of the NFL's elite. When he has good protection he picks defenses apart. So he needs to get paid, but not so much that we cant pay the Oline too!

[mdrsharon]

As we are never going to be in a position to get a really hot college QB (Luck, RG3, etc) I would give Flacco a basic rate and give lots of incentives for anything over and above.
I can't help but feel he is way too tentative to be a bold and gutsy player on the field to take us to the next level.
Whenever he feels pressure, he gets that "deer in the headlights" look and feel, and cannot overcome defenses.
For some reason, the first game this and last season were strongperformances.
Where is that guy?
Interesting to see what happens, come signing time.

[ellicottraven]

Actually, several other threads on Flacco's contract. They all ended up locked due to poor behavior by the participants. Let's not repeat that.

@Mod3 - this was created to have an honest and fruitful discussion on Flacco and I think it is a legitimate issue for all Ravens' fans. At the end of the day let us not forget that the fans are the reason a salary cap exists and for that matter the NFL!

[ellicottraven]

I agree with this 100%. People have been clamoring for Cam to let Joe have the helm and to evolve with the NFL and be a pass-happy team and looks what happens when we do.

Joe can NOT carry the team on his back, our defense goes down and he cannot help them by keeping the offense on the field, despite separation or not. Use you're legs and extend the play Joe, isn't that why you have them?

Our running game is THE focal point of this offense and it should stay that way. We have done HORRIBLE with less run plays and more passes and Houston has seen that over the years and took a page out of our old book and showed us how to execute it like how we used to.

Schaub isn't even that great of a passer yet he looks like he outshines Flacco despite having his best WR locked down almost every game. Flacco is on the same level as he is and I think he should get paid the same.

The fact is that Flacco has far greater skills than Schaub can ever imagine. However, I do believe Schaub is the more complete QB in that he is able to diagnose defenses better and plays to his offense's strengths much better! If you weigh intangibles then Schaub and several other QBs are much better than Flacco at this point....

[BMOREHAWAII]

The fact is that Flacco has far greater skills than Schaub can ever imagine. However, I do believe Schaub is the more complete QB in that he is able to diagnose defenses better and plays to his offense's strengths much better! If you weigh intangibles then Schaub and several other QBs are much better than Flacco at this point....

You could argue Flacco has the better armstrength in between the 2 but then agani, who else has a more accurate deep throw than Flacco?

Schaub is a veteran who is better at reading defenses. Stats wise Flacco is also behind him.

I'm just saying they are both "good" QB's and he may keep regressing as he did year after year despite Baltimore being in favor of the pass now.

They should pay him what he is and that is somewhere around Schaub money.