Balance Balance Balance (aka, the Petition to fire the coordinators)

[ThePurpleWall]

for giggles,fire cam!

[The Raven]

[quote name='RavensQB' timestamp='1351387006' post='1204702']
[b]Clarence Brooks keeps getting overlooked for the DC job. But he fits the Firey MOLD....[/b]

CAM should have been dumped out of the plane on the way back from Houston. 9 Carries for RR. Terrible

I cant imagine that JC would be any worse then CAM right now.
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1. How do you know he's fiery?

2. Our defensive line is trash right now. That may or may not be an indicator of his coaching ability. Our defensive line generally plays with pretty bad technique so I'm not sure Brooks is a solid candidate.

[wayne]

Steelers with their new O-Coordinator seemed like they have mastered the art of balanced play calling. You hardly ever know if it's a run or a pass with them. Steelers O seems to be better with the new O-Coordinator with the WRs running shorter routes instead of everything being a 5 step drop. Take notes Cam, take notes.

[RavensQB]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351444764' post='1204927']
1. How do you know he's fiery?

2. Our defensive line is trash right now. That may or may not be an indicator of his coaching ability. Our defensive line generally plays with pretty bad technique so I'm not sure Brooks is a solid candidate.
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I guess you have never watched him on gameday or seen clips of him. :slaphead:

[NaveSenrag]

[quote name='Bravens292' timestamp='1351394216' post='1204751']
i'm more upset about our flat offense. we just keep improving the weapons we bring to the offense yet somehow Cam manages to screw it up with ray rice and 2 dangerous speedster receivers. its just embarassing. i'm getting the feeling we could have fitz and gronk and our offense would still be just as bad. predictable playcalling goes a long way no matter the talent.
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If we had Ray Rice as our QB, Cam'd still be throwing the ball.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='NaveSenrag' timestamp='1351452315' post='1205035']
If we had Ray Rice as our QB, Cam'd still be throwing the ball.
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Haha, true, remember Seattle. Damn you Cam.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351444764' post='1204927']


1. How do you know he's fiery?

2. Our defensive line is trash right now. That may or may not be an indicator of his coaching ability. Our defensive line generally plays with pretty bad technique so I'm not sure Brooks is a solid candidate.
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Somewhat agreed, Clarence Brooks would be the next candidate for DC position, but our D-line has problems too. And there is no indication if Brooks would be interested in this position.
Next in line could be Ted Monachino, Linebackers coach, might be better fit.
Pees has TWO weeks get this defense FOCUSED, against Browns poor offense. And with Suggs in lineup, so yes, things should get SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER, will they? We just have to wait and see.

[bpytnjr58]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1351388121' post='1204722']
Cam is ok, Im pissed with Pees
[/quote] I look at the the way Rice is being used and the game that McGahee had last night in Denver...i am not ok with Cam.

[Purple_ICE 81]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1351211216' post='1203658']
if you fire the coordinators [i]now[/i], who do you replace them with? Who is really a viable option midseason? Who's really a viable option in the offseason?
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Jim Caldwell was brought here to be Cam's replacement should he be fired...I think it was pretty obvious after us fans were absolutely dumb-founded and flabergasted by the way Steve Ozzie and Harbaugh chose not to let Cam go after last season. Im eager as hell to see what Cladwell brings to the table, I think he called some plays on offense for the superbowl winning colts as they trampled teams in their path using a high tempo no huddle offense. I think Caldwell will be the answer...atleast for now

[Purple_ICE 81]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1351541840' post='1205659']
I look at the the way Rice is being used and the game that McGahee had last night in Denver...i am not ok with Cam.
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Awesome point...also look at the Pats game too...Tom Brady had 300+yards 3 tds...while both of their runningbacks accumulated alot of yards and 2 TDs. ---[u][i][b]BALANCE---[/b][/i][/u] at its best. Smooth and purely dominant...how OUR's should be.

[K-Dog]

[quote name='Purple_ICE 81' timestamp='1351542999' post='1205674']
Awesome point...also look at the Pats game too...Tom Brady had 300+yards 3 tds...while both of their runningbacks accumulated alot of yards and 2 TDs. ---[u][i][b]BALANCE---[/b][/i][/u] at its best. Smooth and purely dominant...how OUR's should be.
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Okay. These two teams have balance, so your reasoning says we should to.

The undefeated Atlanta Falcons have 270 passing yards ( 8th ) and 95 rushing yards.
Sounds VERY unbalanced. yet they are undefeated and Pats are 5-3 and Broncos are 4-3.

Unbalanced team undefeated.
Balanced team, not so much.

Help me understand the reasoning of your post.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Purple_ICE 81' timestamp='1351542747' post='1205671']

Jim Caldwell was brought here to be Cam's replacement should he be fired...I think it was pretty obvious after us fans were absolutely dumb-founded and flabergasted by the way Steve Ozzie and Harbaugh chose not to let Cam go after last season. Im eager as hell to see what Cladwell brings to the table, I think he called some plays on offense for the superbowl winning colts as they trampled teams in their path using a high tempo no huddle offense. I think Caldwell will be the answer...atleast for now
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Really? I thought Caldwell was brought in to be the QBs coach. Do you realize he has never been an OC at any level? Thats a great idea, promote a guy to OC who has never called a play before.

Cam's not getting fired mid-season and I'm about 99.9% confident Pees wont be fired either, not that he should be fired in the first place.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1351543425' post='1205682']
Okay. These two teams have balance, so your reasoning says we should to.

The undefeated Atlanta Falcons have 270 passing yards ( 8th ) and 95 rushing yards.
Sounds VERY unbalanced. yet they are undefeated and Pats are 5-3 and Broncos are 4-3.

Unbalanced team undefeated.
Balanced team, not so much.

Help me understand the reasoning of your post.
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Actually vs the Eagles they had 262 passing yards and 146 rushing yards, and more importantly 37 rushing attempts to 29 passing attempts. On the season they've have 265 passing attempts and 176 rushing attempts, or almost exactly a 60/40 pass run ratio. Right now we've thrown the ball 252 times and run the ball 155 times, but only 106 of those attempts were by Rice and 18 of those attempts were by non running backs. We're at a 60/40 split as well. Also, Michael Turner has had at least 11 attempts in all of their games, and at least 14 in 3 of 5 games. Meanwhile Rice has had ten carries or less in 2 games, including just 9 last week in a game that was still close in the first quarter. Balance might not mean total yards, but just running attempts vs passing attempts, to keep the defense honest. When we went away from the run, our offense vs. the Texans became entirely too predictable, and they shut us down, just like all those games last year.

[Purple_ICE 81]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1351543425' post='1205682']
Okay. These two teams have balance, so your reasoning says we should to.

The undefeated Atlanta Falcons have 270 passing yards ( 8th ) and 95 rushing yards.
Sounds VERY unbalanced. yet they are undefeated and Pats are 5-3 and Broncos are 4-3.

Unbalanced team undefeated.
Balanced team, not so much.

Help me understand the reasoning of your post.
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If the Falcons had Ray Rice they would be more balanced, the reason they arent is because Michael Turner averages maybe .5 a yard per carry on a good day and their backups are young and developing. NO you dont have to be balanced to be successful but for us we need to get our top 5 runningback more involved. Look at aaron rodgers he even says they need to get their running game going and be more balanced, and thats what Tom brady and Drew Brees have been yearning for too, its every great QBs dream because it makes your team so dangerous. You, along with other people need to throw season records out of the door, yea the Falcons are undefeated...they only had 3 total losses a couple seasons ago only to get TRAMPLED in the playoffs. The Giants were 9-7 last year and had a touggggh road to the superbowl and they got it done. My point is that balance is the key to success in this league (for the most part). It allows you to attack and score points while keeping the defense guessing, manage the clock, and reduce turnovers...like your pal Matt Ryan who threw 3 picks against oaklands crummy secondary because oakland was defending the pass all day because they knew Turner cant run effectively anymore. And we all know Joe...as ANY QB has trouble with turnovers when hes throwing the ball too much. So I think finsing that beautiful [i]balance [/i]like we had against New england (Flacco-382yds 3td/ Rice- 20 carries 101yds and a score). think thats good for OUR team. Who are the most superbowl bound teams in the NFL? The texans-the combo of an ex league leader in passing yards combo'd with arguably the best runningback in the league. The Patriots- Tom Brady with his system of runningbacks-Ridley, Vareen, and Woodhead...they can win games throwing or running. The Giants have Ahmad Bradshaw and Andre Brown who have been carrying most of the workload the past couple games.

[Purple_ICE 81]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1351547181' post='1205732']
Really? I thought Caldwell was brought in to be the QBs coach. Do you realize he has never been an OC at any level? Thats a great idea, promote a guy to OC who has never called a play before.

Cam's not getting fired mid-season and I'm about 99.9% confident Pees wont be fired either, not that he should be fired in the first place.
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But he knows what it takes to ignite an offense, ever since his college days he has been helping offenses succeed. And in the case of firing cam cameron which I hope will happen but know most likely will not, who will step in as interim OC? I would take juan castillo over cam cameron at this point. I think caldwell could learn how to run an offense, and he surely knows what it takes to call plays and suchj because he has been around successful offenses before. I wouldnt care seeing him give it a shot.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Purple_ICE 81' timestamp='1351869538' post='1207681']

But he knows what it takes to ignite an offense, ever since his college days he has been helping offenses succeed. And in the case of firing cam cameron which I hope will happen but know most likely will not, who will step in as interim OC? I would take juan castillo over cam cameron at this point. I think caldwell could learn how to run an offense, and he surely knows what it takes to call plays and suchj because he has been around successful offenses before. I wouldnt care seeing him give it a shot.
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If Cam gets fired, Caldwell would be the obvious replacement, but Cam is not going to be fired so it really doesnt matter. Maybe if we had someone with more experience then Cam might be under more pressure, but as of right now there is no way he is let go.

[Brandon22]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1351211216' post='1203658']
Balance is something every team tries to achieve. Unfortunately, if you don't adjust to the flow of the game, balance for its own sake is a detriment.

Of course, that's moot if the coordinators aren't adjusting to the flow of the game regardless -- but that's a topic separate from that of balance.

Two points I'd like to make: 1) you can achieve balance without firing the coordinators; and 2) more importantly, if you fire the coordinators [i]now[/i], who do you replace them with? Who is really a viable option midseason? Who's really a viable option in the offseason?
[/quote] Les Miles as our Offensive Coordinator and our defensive line coach fire Dean Pees and promote Clarence Brooks to Defensive Coordinator

[nextgen_RavensFan]

I see your point here . If the Giants and Patriots can bring in new guys year after year and be competitive then why can't we ? They can see the new players talents and put them in situations to be good. Our DC and OC either cannot see the talent or have no clue on how to put them in positions to be useful. I feel like we will be the laughing stock of the NFL soon. We have Rice but he had what 12 touchs last game What the heck? ? We tried the No huddle and it has worked in a single game but either you listen to cam and he says Joe audibles or you think cam is lying. Who knows ? All i know is i see a offense that cannot be considered even mediocre.

We have a Defense that has a HUGE lack of talent yet no one makes any moves to improve it. Are we really that naive to not see that we have no corners, Williams and Smith are both 2nd stringers at best. Kruger and Cody are a bust and we are working Ngata to hard even though he is hurting. Is hard to watch a once proud team that has fallen so far just suffer because our coach wont make the call to bring in talent and drop the guys who cannot plat at the NFL level.

I know we have Cap Issues but if we drop some of the weight that is useless we may free up some money to bring in actual NFL talent (Williams, Kruger, Cody, Smith). Before it is over they are going to have to realize not all picks pan out and we need to find a new approach.

[display name]

As much as I would love to wake up and see that Cam got fired, sorry it's not gonna happen.
And I'm not sure how much of the D is actually Pees' fault.