What Free Agent Do We Need To Get Better?

[CapoRocky]

I liked Gorrer but I'd like to see Chykie get more playing time, too. Anyone that says cut Allen is not watching him on ST.

[frank21054]

EJ Henderson would help our run defense which is constantly shredded. If if is willing to taking the veteran min to prove her is healthy I would grab him as a 2 down backer. To be honest Ray wasn't tearing it up in pass coverage either and we don't have many run stopping options at MLB. EJ in the base package with a sub package going with Suggs and Kruger rushing and Ellerbe or McClain in Pass Coverage would be an improvement to what we have. McClain has been constantly ran over on rushing plays!

[frank21054]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1351225558' post='1203836']
Matt Toeaina, DT in Chicago. Stephen Paea has really become a player and Toeaina has become less involved. We could probably get him for a 5th.
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Will never trade with Chicago again after that draft day problem a few years back

[berad]

How can you NOT sign Gorrer? If I'm Ozzie I cut someone like Ihedigbo in a second for him... even though I think that's who they originally cut him for

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1351630598' post='1206313']
James Indigo or Sean Considine or Anthony Allen or even Bobby Rainey.

I could see us bringing Gorrer back but does he clear waivers?
[/quote]Rainey? Why in the world would you want to cut him?

[berad]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1351631436' post='1206329']
Key ST guy, Allen won't be going anywhere.
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He was Jacoby Jones' lead blocker in the Houston game and did well

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1351694738' post='1206589']
Rainey? Why in the world would you want to cut him?
[/quote]

We don't WANT to cut him, but if someone has to be cut, Rainey is the logical choice. We have 3 other active RBs and a FB.

[rmw10]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1351694738' post='1206589']
Rainey? Why in the world would you want to cut him?
[/quote]

He's just the odd man out. He doesn't really have much of a role on the team.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1351695348' post='1206600']
He's just the odd man out. He doesn't really have much of a role on the team.
[/quote]
Anthony Allen's special teams play has been much better than people realize.

[rmw10]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1351699284' post='1206642']
Anthony Allen's special teams play has been much better than people realize.
[/quote]

Agreed. Allen and Jacoby are clearly on the same page on those returns. No way Allen would go.

[Moderator 3]

What time does Gorrer clear waivers (assuming he does)?

[display name]

Gorrer would play better than Jimmy Smith, but I doubt we sign him.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1351701657' post='1206658']
Gorrer would play better than Jimmy Smith, but I doubt we sign him.
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So Gorrer plays a handful of snaps last season and all of a sudden he's better than our first round pick. Some of you ppl really crack me up. We already cut him once, Seattle cuts him, and all of a sudden he is the answer to all our problems....makes zero sense. You know who else played great last season in a limited (but still much larger than Gorrer)? Jimmy Smith. The problem is we had no pass-rush without Suggs while last year our front 4 was dominant.

[rlh445]

I went to high school with EJ so I'm so biased, but I'd love for the Ravens to bring him in, try him out and sign him! Maybe he could ask for less bucks though!

[Blex64]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1351701657' post='1206658']
Gorrer would play better than Jimmy Smith, but I doubt we sign him.
[/quote]

Where do you people come up with crap like this?

Our DB issues are a scheme problem, not a personnel problem.

[rlh445]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1351701657' post='1206658']
Gorrer would play better than Jimmy Smith, but I doubt we sign him.
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Um, okay. I don't even....

[display name]

Would Gorrer bite on the double move every time?
I hope that was assessed with Jimmy at some point in the past two weeks.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1351714579' post='1206765']
Where do you people come up with crap like this?

Our DB issues are a scheme problem, not a personnel problem.
[/quote]

The problem is blatantly both. Cary and Jimmy both get beat in zone, man, and even press coverage to a slightly lesser extent. If you think personnel isn't the problem, you're nuts.

[rmw10]

For anyone that didn't hear, the Buccaneers claimed Danny Gorrer.

[BaltimoreBean]

I was really hoping we would pick Danny Glover back up. I'm gettin too old for this s%#&.

I don't know about anyone else, but I didn't think he was our best corner. I just thought with Webb going down, it would be nice to have him back being that he knows our defense and he played well in limited playing time last year.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='BaltimoreBean' timestamp='1351739289' post='1206996']
I was really hoping we would pick Danny Glover back up. I'm gettin too old for this s%#&.

I don't know about anyone else, but I didn't think he was our best corner. I just thought with Webb going down, it would be nice to have him back being that [b]he knows our defense and he played well in limited playing time last year.[/b]
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He knows Pagano's defense and it was relatively easier to play CB on last year's defense, considering the better pass rush. And really there's no need for him. Graham and Brown are solid and Asa Jackson was drafted to eventually man the slot at least.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1351695265' post='1206599']
We don't WANT to cut him, but if someone has to be cut, Rainey is the logical choice. We have 3 other active RBs and a FB.
[/quote]Wow then Anothony Allen must be a monster on special teams. Because Rainey is the better running back.

[rmw10]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1351791943' post='1207198']
Wow then Anothony Allen must be a monster on special teams. Because Rainey is the better running back.
[/quote]

Allen is a monster on ST, simple as that.

[codizzle]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351725904' post='1206905']


The problem is blatantly both. Cary and Jimmy both get beat in zone, man, and even press coverage to a slightly lesser extent. If you think personnel isn't the problem, you're nuts.
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Amen..
PFF rates Jimmy as one of the five worst CB's by tackling efficiency
He's missed 6 tackles this year And has 20 total tackles with no assists

Just a random stat for ya.. Dawan Landry leads FS's in tackling efficiency

[The Raven]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1351792479' post='1207204']
Amen..
PFF rates Jimmy as one of the five worst CB's by tackling efficiency
He's missed 6 tackles this year And has 20 total tackles with no assists

Just a random stat for ya.. Dawan Landry leads FS's in tackling efficiency
[/quote]

That's kind of shocking. I guess Dawan has finally gotten over his injury a few years ago. He was a very inconsistent tackler in his last year here.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351725904' post='1206905']
The problem is blatantly both. Cary and Jimmy both get beat in zone, man, and even press coverage to a slightly lesser extent. If you think personnel isn't the problem, you're nuts.
[/quote]
They get beat in off man and soft zones, which is 95% of our play calls. We have a corner who was labeled the best press man corner in the draft in 2011 and he hardly plays it.

I still believe scheme is more of the problem. Especially in the secondary, where its the exact same personnel as last year when they played well. In any event with Suggs back that question will be answered in the coming weeks when he's 100%.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1351796949' post='1207240']
[b]They get beat in off man and soft zones, which is 95% of our play calls[/b]. We have a corner who was labeled the best press man corner in the draft in 2011 and he hardly plays it.

I still believe scheme is more of the problem. Especially in the secondary, where its the exact same personnel as last year when they played well. In any event with Suggs back that question will be answered in the coming weeks when he's 100%.
[/quote]

I dont understand how this kind of thing gets perpetuated. While there is some truth to what you are saying, we do play a lot of man coverage and jimmy does press at the LOS. Is he used in that capacity the majority of snaps? No, but it is substantial.

In reality, Pees does a good job of mixing up his coverages. There are a lot of different zone concepts that he uses and there is also a good amount of man, normally with a single high safety.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1351803571' post='1207327']
I dont understand how this kind of thing gets perpetuated. While there is some truth to what you are saying, we do play a lot of man coverage and jimmy does press at the LOS. Is he used in that capacity the majority of snaps? No, but it is substantial.

In reality, Pees does a good job of mixing up his coverages. There are a lot of different zone concepts that he uses and there is also a good amount of man, normally with a single high safety.
[/quote]
Ya, [b][u]off man.[/u][/b] Obviously 95% is an exaggeration but even when they come up on guys at the LOS they bail right away. That is not how Jimmy played at Colorado so that is a [i]taught technique.[/i] Very rarely do I see Smith or WIlliams playing true press man. I would argue otherwise on his zone concepts, he does a very elementary job with the LB coverages, and for whatever reason (maybe Pollard's nagging injury) but he has stopped moving Pollard around as much. He basically leaves Reed in the high 1/3 zone, unless he plays him in man. There's no alternating safety depth zones when we go 2 safety coverages. I hardly ever see the corners play a cover 2 zone, which if your corners such in coverage is the coverage you should be playing a lot of.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1351806585' post='1207367']
Ya, [b][u]off man.[/u][/b] Obviously 95% is an exaggeration but even when they come up on guys at the LOS they bail right away. That is not how Jimmy played at Colorado so that is a [i]taught technique.[/i] Very rarely do I see Smith or WIlliams playing true press man. I would argue otherwise on his zone concepts, he does a very elementary job with the LB coverages, and for whatever reason (maybe Pollard's nagging injury) but he has stopped moving Pollard around as much. He basically leaves Reed in the high 1/3 zone, unless he plays him in man. There's no alternating safety depth zones when we go 2 safety coverages. I hardly ever see the corners play a cover 2 zone, which if your corners such in coverage is the coverage you should be playing a lot of.
[/quote]

Well we dont use a lot of cover 2 because our run defense isnt good enough. Pollard is often brought into the box as an 8th man because our front 7 cant get the job done. We do play press from time to time, but I really think Pees is hesitant to do it a lot because of the poor run defense once again. Ideally, if you play press, or even regular man coverage, you have two safeties over the top but that really isnt an option when our front 7 cant stop the run. When we do have the CBs press it is often very effective, but not always. That can lead to big plays and if we only have Ed playing deep, those kind of mistakes can lead to TDs.

I really think it all stems from the front 7 not getting it done. We have to blitz to generate pressure and we have to bring Pollard into the box because our run defense is sub-standard. Our LBers arent very good in man coverage either which only further exacerbates the problem. I think that is a part of why you say our Zones are "elementary". Our LBers lack range and are generally poor in space. We can't really do some of the exotic inverts because we lack the athletic LBers needed to drop into deeper zones. We do some occassional zone blitzes and watching McClain or Ellerbe fall back into coverage is laughable.

[Sunday QB]

What is the answer, get a run stuffer and a pash rusher with speed a and power.