Oher Extension: A Mistake on the Horizon?

[arnie_uk]

Should he not cut block them in that case or is it better to stand them up. I seem pierce cut someone brilliantly recently either Dallas or Houston.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1351118987' post='1202966']
Should he not cut block them in that case or is it better to stand them up. I seem pierce cut someone brilliantly recently either Dallas or Houston.
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I dont know to be honest. I've seen him try to cut in the past and he just gets hurdled. I think it's just part of who he is. Rice isnt big enough to stand up backers with a full head of steam. It's something for him to work on that's for sure.

[Gordo52]

Pay him as a top 15 tackle.

[display name]

Oher probably has his movie soundtrack on continuous play in his helmet, with a screen above his eyes that shows the film.

[theFRANCHISE]

I don't want Oher back until they permanently decide on a position for him [i]and[/i] he starts playing that position well.

Mind you, that's a two-part condition.

On the bright side, at least he hasn't put on an Oniel Cousins-like performance...yet.

[rlh445]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1351132379' post='1203102']
I don't want Oher back until they permanently decide on a position for him [i]and[/i] he starts playing that position well.

Mind you, that's a two-part condition.

On the bright side, at least he hasn't put on an Oniel Cousins-like performance...yet.
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I don't think he's been too bad at RT so far this year. Last year every time the ref did the false start signal, I'd just *sigh* and say, 'Oher,' and I'd be right! Also Franny, I miss your Rock avatar

[nk02442]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1351116471' post='1202937']
As opposed to what? Letting the best 34 OLB in the league walk in the prime of his career? Suggs knew his value, that's why he got pissed when he was franchised as an OLB with a lower pay grade, than a DE. He called Baltimore on it and Ozzie split the difference of OLB and DE with Suggs and gave him more. Suggs quite literally held ALL of the chips in that negotiation, there was NOTHING Ozzie could point to as a negative in Suggs' play.
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Yeah if anything someone with suggs skillset should be paid more than a top DE. He has all the tools of a pure Pass rusing end along with the speed and strength of a linebacker. He can drop into coverage, pick off passes, and is a beast against the run. Him along with guys like Ware and JPP are the most versitle and probally, valuable players in the league.

[admartian]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1351116479' post='1202938']
ive been saying for a long time he's one of the worst in the league. I don't understand why they don't have leach in blocking on passing downs more often. He can catch from the backfield so they'd still have to respect him.

The only running backs worse than him are, from worst to best, McFadden, foster, reggie bush and Michael bush, then rice. Good for 50th blocking rb in the league.
[/quote]Wouldn't this be a situation where Le'Ron would be useful? As in teams can't just see a FB in there and assume pass protection and key in with the coverage. Because he's handy as a receiver as well as running with the ball?

[Bravens292]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1351132531' post='1203105']
I don't think he's been too bad at RT so far this year.
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He's played left tackle this year, not right.

[nk02442]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1351119191' post='1202970']
I dont know to be honest. I've seen him try to cut in the past and he just gets hurdled. I think it's just part of who he is. Rice isnt big enough to stand up backers with a full head of steam. It's something for him to work on that's for sure.
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I think he tried to chip them and spring loose for a dump off. Ive seen it more than a few times. He really sucks at blocking. I dont understand why its so hard, these guys been playing football since they were 5. Things like how to tackle and how to block shouldnt be an issue at this level.

[nk02442]

[quote name='Bravens292' timestamp='1351132873' post='1203109']
He's played left tackle this year, not right.
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Hes played both superstar...

[rlh445]

[quote name='Bravens292' timestamp='1351132873' post='1203109']
He's played left tackle this year, not right.
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Whoops! Thanks!

[DocMartin]

[quote name='BenMir' timestamp='1351113739' post='1202885']
According to BleacherReport, Oher has allowed 2 sacks, 13 pressures and 4 penalties in 7 game.
Lets say 2 pressures a game.. still, considering the players he played against - I think it's a decent number. Especially with 2 sacks.
Thoughts?
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Michael Oher is a good player to have on this team. He is an average as LT, but as RT he's very good at times. If he would cut down on Jump Offsides, he could be great. We should use him at RT and McKinnie at LT.

[tctony]

It does get annoying that we let good lineman go. I really thought we should have kept Grubbs. I even wanted to keep Gaither.

Front office has messed up with some of the contracts I believe. TBH Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are really bogging the team down financially. Why else are we in such dire straits in terms of cap room all the time?

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='tctony' timestamp='1351136815' post='1203133']
It does get annoying that we let good lineman go. I really thought we should have kept Grubbs. I even wanted to keep Gaither.

Front office has messed up with some of the contracts I believe. TBH Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are really bogging the team down financially. Why else are we in such dire straits in terms of cap room all the time?
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If Gaither was healthy we wouldn't have bothered with Oher. That dude would have been the fourth best LT in the league if he was healthy, behind Thomas, Long, and Clady, and if he wasn't such a bum he had the physical tools to be the best. It's too bad he messed up his back, but a bad back and bad work ethic is not a good combination in a LT thus he had to go.

Finally someone who agrees to me on that respect. I'm guessing their over-inflated contracts are a result of that ridiculous notion that a player is bigger than what they do on the field. Ozzie is not good with contracts, and I feel like he's trying to have his cake and eat it too right now. But that's a discussion for a different thread.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1351132952' post='1203110']
I think he tried to chip them and spring loose for a dump off. Ive seen it more than a few times. He really sucks at blocking. I dont understand why its so hard, these guys been playing football since they were 5. Things like how to tackle and how to block shouldnt be an issue at this level.
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I agree. I've seen smaller backs stand up much bigger defenders before. Rice just looks like he doesnt want to get hurt or something. I have no explanation for it, kinda like how he goes down at times because of a slight bump.

[SecretAgentMan]

I don't think it is a mistake, Oher is a solid LT... and those are hard to come by, sure I would rather have Long... But Oher is a good lt. He makes mistakes, but only JO, Slater, and Munoz were perfect. He solves his false star problem were golden.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1351144205' post='1203159']
I don't think it is a mistake, Oher is a solid LT... and those are hard to come by, sure I would rather have Long... But Oher is a good lt. He makes mistakes, but only JO, Slater, and Munoz were perfect. He solves his false star problem were golden.
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All evidence points to the contrary. Oher is not well ranked, and his pass blocking is especially poor. In an offense that's attempting to transition to a passing offense (quite poorly I might add under Cam's direction), paying a LT who can't protect your QB's rear is a piss poor idea.

[tctony]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1351137932' post='1203139']
If Gaither was healthy we wouldn't have bothered with Oher. That dude would have been the fourth best LT in the league if he was healthy, behind Thomas, Long, and Clady, and if he wasn't such a bum he had the physical tools to be the best. It's too bad he messed up his back, but a bad back and bad work ethic is not a good combination in a LT thus he had to go.

Finally someone who agrees to me on that respect. I'm guessing their over-inflated contracts are a result of that ridiculous notion that a player is bigger than what they do on the field. Ozzie is not good with contracts, and I feel like he's trying to have his cake and eat it too right now. But that's a discussion for a different thread.
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Yeah I agree. I started writing a long reply about our contract situation but I had to stop. I just "SMH" that we let a guy like Grubbs go but hold onto an average at best Oher.

[nk02442]

I honestly dont think Grubbs was that great. He was not worth that kind of money. Look at the lines for Houston and NE, and you will see a comonality. You dont need to spend big bucks to get good lineman(maybe tackles). Our system is broken, and thats half the reason.

[jaege]

[quote name='Bravens292' timestamp='1351105277' post='1202773']
just what i didn't want to hear right now. i hope these talks stall as much as joes
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They wont because Oher is not going to ask for anything out of the ordinary. I am sure he does not beleive he is an elite LT, RT, or G.

[Dfence4champs2052]

Only two things I have to say are...I hope they pay him and play him at RT and he eliminates the false starts completely. They are down this year, but they can still rear their ugly head at times.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='tctony' timestamp='1351184998' post='1203379']
Yeah I agree. I started writing a long reply about our contract situation but I had to stop. I just "SMH" that we let a guy like Grubbs go but hold onto an average at best Oher.
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I'm right there with you man. He was in the upper tier of pass blocking guards, according to PFF, and when you want to transition to that sort of offense you can't let someone like that go.

[Bravens292]

i would hate to have oher at LT again next year. as soon as we can find an impact LT, look out! a few positional moves and this line suddenly has a lot of potential.

FA/Draft LT, Osemele, Birk?, Yanda, Oher is what i'm hoping for next year. LT will be very important for the future.

[Blex64]

Hey guys, Oher's actually played quite well at LT this year. He's not the problem on the line. He completely shut out DeMarcus Ware, whose lone sack came when Bobbie Williams tripped.

He's not JO, but good LTs are one of the hardest things to find in football, and while I would have been completely against this before the season started he's definitely been playing like he's in a salary year.

[Dubs]

I am all for signing Oher long term. We as fans are way too extreme it is rather sad when it comes to our own players, especially our draft picks. Oher is very solid and dependable, yes as everyone knows he is not elite, but physically he could be. However there is nothing wrong with having a solid player locked up long term. One article on NFL.com mentioned that he is similar to Jeff Backus, nothing special, but consistently there and dependable. I absolutely love Oher and believe he is on the same level or near that of Donald Penn yet he more than likely will not cause the same headache as he did in negotiating a contract. Lastly, he is one of the finest team first type players - I think that counts for something - there are alot of players who would be annoyed with moving from RT to LT, to RT and back more times than I can count, yet he just comes up to play.

I do think he is a better RT but he is a more than serviceable LT. Sometimes you need solid but not great players as you obviously cant have superstars everywhere (unless the cap were gone and you were the Yankees) and I dont think we should be so harsh on negotiating his return.

[PurpleCityLights]

[quote name='admartian' timestamp='1351109397' post='1202839']
lol wut?

Yeah, he's bad when we're away, but when we;re home, he deserves to be labelled as one of the Top QBs. Being at home was never his issue....

This Flacco hate has spread like wildfire to the un-informed.
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You misunderstand me, I dont hate Flacco. I just dont act like a groupie about him like Arnie _uk ......

When Joe plays good I'm proud of him, when he sucks I bring up all his flaws, for I am.........just a fan

[redrum52]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1351101748' post='1202724']
We'll go and get Jake Long to play RT, and then trade a toaster to the Browns for Joe Thomas to play blindside.

Good God I'm a genius.
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A fellow Sarcastaball player. EN GARDE!

[lgcs27288]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1351098088' post='1202653']
I forgot to make the point that Oher doesn't fit the zone blocking scheme that the coaching staff has been forcing down our throats the past three seasons. He lacks the feet and the intelligence in picking up blocks for it.

I'm so tired of teams, both in the pros and college, forcing lines to use zone blocking schemes when the personnel doesn't fit it, but that's another rant entirely. Just because the Texans and a few other teams have a lot of success with it doesn't mean everyone will.
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I love when I see people post, "they lack the intelligence", like the dude is an idiot. Child please...

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='PurpleCityLights' timestamp='1351280400' post='1204200']


You misunderstand me, I dont hate Flacco. I just dont act like a groupie about him like Arnie _uk ......

When Joe plays good I'm proud of him, when he sucks I bring up all his flaws, for I am.........just a fan
[/quote]lmao. Been on this board all of 3 months and that's your conclusion...