Oher Extension: A Mistake on the Horizon?

[T3hRaven]

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Aaron Wilson is reported that preliminary talks for a Michael Oher extension have been held. If he's is paid anything more than RT money my already low faith in the contract management of this FO is going to go away completely. It's bad enough that we overpay mediocre players at the least important positions on the team, giving big money to RGs (which you can easily find), RBs (again, easy to find someone who can get you the production you need with a good line), and ILBs (which is the lowest impact position on the defense) while letting the best pass protector on the team get away, but extending someone who has proven they will be nothing more than a below average LT at LT will be a catastrophic cap mistake. Michael Oher isn't a football player, he's a marketing scheme. It's sad that they're even considering keeping him, given the fact that Baltimore is one of, if not the most, loyal cities to its football team and doesn't need marketing schemes and feel-good stories to pack the stands.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

This is a mistake, i agree fully. The guy does nothing very well. They do not put him in a position to be good at all. They try to make him play a position he just cannot. He lacks speed, jumps to early and has no faith in himself when playing LT. Leave him at RT and play Mckinnie at LT.

There was speculation that there is a snap count clause in Mckinnies new contract and they just do not want to pay the guy the extra million. Mean while the entire offense takes the beating.

[T3hRaven]

I forgot to make the point that Oher doesn't fit the zone blocking scheme that the coaching staff has been forcing down our throats the past three seasons. He lacks the feet and the intelligence in picking up blocks for it.

I'm so tired of teams, both in the pros and college, forcing lines to use zone blocking schemes when the personnel doesn't fit it, but that's another rant entirely. Just because the Texans and a few other teams have a lot of success with it doesn't mean everyone will.

[BloodRaven]

If we find a long term solution at LT he can play RT, and if we find someone better at RT he can play LG.

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1351098088' post='1202653']
I forgot to make the point that Oher doesn't fit the zone blocking scheme that the coaching staff has been forcing down our throats the past three seasons. He lacks the feet and the intelligence in picking up blocks for it.

I'm so tired of teams, both in the pros and college, forcing lines to use zone blocking schemes when the personnel doesn't fit it, but that's another rant entirely. Just because the Texans and a few other teams have a lot of success with it doesn't mean everyone will.
[/quote]

Oher's problems have nothing to do with run blocking, if anything his athleticism and physical tools are ideal for zone blocking.

[JO_75]

For once, I'm hoping Oher prices himself out of Ozzie's range for the sake of the team. We need to let him go, and just move on without him, IF he wants Left Tackle Money. Now IF he is willing to take Right Tackle money and play Right Tackle while we go and get Jake Long or draft a new Left Tackle, then keep him.

Otherwise, I say don't sign him as long as he wants to play Left Tackle, there will be plenty of teams willing to over pay a decent Tackle like Oher big time money.

[arnie_uk]

Oher doesn't come across as a guy that would push for top money, but rather take a team friendly deal.

Neither did rice either I suppose

[Purple_ICE 81]

Oher definitely doesnt play like a top dollar guy so hopefully if he does get an extension it is very very low

[JO_75]

[quote name='Purple_ICE 81' timestamp='1351098878' post='1202673']
Oher definitely doesnt play like a top dollar guy so hopefully if he does get an extension it is very very low
[/quote]

No, more so his agent may sit there and tell Oher not to take anything less than top dollar. Though I just hope if we do re-sign him, he is a Right Tackle going forward.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1351098795' post='1202672']
Oher doesn't come across as a guy that would push for top money, but rather take a team friendly deal.

Neither did rice either I suppose
[/quote]
I think Rice took a fair deal for what he's worth as a playmaker. Nothing over the top but nothing screaming team friendly, he deserves what he was paid.

[redlobster]

If they can sign him to a cap friendly , reasonable contract amount I wouldn't be against it

[Bltravens]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1351098674' post='1202668']
For once, I'm hoping Oher prices himself out of Ozzie's range for the sake of the team. We need to let him go, and just move on without him, IF he wants Left Tackle Money. Now IF he is willing to take Right Tackle money and play Right Tackle while we go and get [b]Jake Long[/b] or draft a new Left Tackle, then keep him.

Otherwise, I say don't sign him as long as he wants to play Left Tackle, there will be plenty of teams willing to over pay a decent Tackle like Oher big time money.
[/quote]
And pay him with what money?

Everyone constantly harps on how bad Oher is and to let him go. Who the hell else is going to play LT next year? They've determined Osemele isn't nimble enough on his feet to play LT and by taking Osemele they've determined Jah Reid was a wasted pick as a T. So we're going to what? Find a Pro Bowl level LT late in the draft? Good luck.

I'm not suggesting paying Oher top 10 LT money, but he's a competent T in the NFL. It's plainly obvious that he's a better RT than LT but we're not going to find a stud LT if we continually make the playoffs and try to win championships, which is the entire goal of playing each year.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1351098795' post='1202672']
Oher doesn't come across as a guy that would push for top money, but rather take a team friendly deal.

Neither did rice either I suppose
[/quote]

I would not push for more money either if i was bringing 2 or 3 penalties every game at LT and spent most of my time going backwards would you ? He admitted he does not have the speed to be a LT but time and again where is he, great call Harb's. I loved Harb's till he showed a weak side for making changes and just going with the flow. He is a great coach as long as things are going ok but if things go wrong his brother outshines him in every aspect. I loved Lewis's philosophy, "JUST DO YOUR JOB" which our interior defense is not nor our offensive line.

Stop putting Oher at LT and leave Mckinnie there and Put Oher at RT. You cannot tell me when they put Oher at RT and Mckinnie at LT last week it was not an improvement ? If you say it wasn't you are a fool and lying to yourself. Harb's has no backbone and is gutless when it comes to the hard issues.

For a team known for hard hitting and standing proud we have the softest coach. Of course the hard hitting and standing tall was before Harb's and now our D shows his soft side.

[redlobster]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1351099480' post='1202686']
I think Rice took a fair deal for what he's worth as a playmaker. Nothing over the top but nothing screaming team friendly, he deserves what he was paid.
[/quote]

If he was being utilized correctly , yes. giving him 9 carries or whatever he got vs Houston doesn't justify what they paid for him (although it was/is not his fault )

[Ravenseconbeast]

LOL @JO-75

Yeah pay Jake Locker +10m per year. That'll shore up our salary cap

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1351100168' post='1202697']
LOL @JO-75

Yeah pay Jake Locker +10m per year. That'll shore up our salary cap
[/quote]
Jake Long, From the Dolhpins. Not Jake Locker from the titans.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1351100521' post='1202704']

Jake Long, From the Dolhpins. Not Jake Locker from the titans.
[/quote]

Yikes, I thought I wrote Jake Long

[BenMir]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1351099749' post='1202691']
I would not push for more money either if i was bringing 2 or 3 penalties every game at LT and spent most of my time going backwards would you ? He admitted he does not have the speed to be a LT but time and again where is he, great call Harb's. I loved Harb's till he showed a weak side for making changes and just going with the flow. He is a great coach as long as things are going ok but if things go wrong his brother outshines him in every aspect. I loved Lewis's philosophy, "JUST DO YOUR JOB" which our interior defense is not nor our offensive line.

Stop putting Oher at LT and leave Mckinnie there and Put Oher at RT. You cannot tell me when they put Oher at RT and Mckinnie at LT last week it was not an improvement ? If you say it wasn't you are a fool and lying to yourself. Harb's has no backbone and is gutless when it comes to the hard issues.

For a team known for hard hitting and standing proud we have the softest coach. Of course the hard hitting and standing tall was before Harb's and now our D shows his soft side.
[/quote]
Just a quick question.. How many penalties did Oher get THIS season?

[BloodRaven]

We'll go and get Jake Long to play RT, and then trade a toaster to the Browns for Joe Thomas to play blindside.

Good God I'm a genius.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1351099749' post='1202691']
I would not push for more money either if i was bringing 2 or 3 penalties every game at LT and spent most of my time going backwards would you ? He admitted he does not have the speed to be a LT but time and again where is he, great call Harb's. I loved Harb's till he showed a weak side for making changes and just going with the flow. He is a great coach as long as things are going ok but if things go wrong his brother outshines him in every aspect. I loved Lewis's philosophy, "JUST DO YOUR JOB" which our interior defense is not nor our offensive line.

Stop putting Oher at LT and leave Mckinnie there and Put Oher at RT. You cannot tell me when they put Oher at RT and Mckinnie at LT last week it was not an improvement ? If you say it wasn't you are a fool and lying to yourself. Harb's has no backbone and is gutless when it comes to the hard issues.

For a team known for hard hitting and standing proud we have the softest coach. Of course the hard hitting and standing tall was before Harb's and now our D shows his soft side.
[/quote]
Putting McKinnie at LT wasn't an improvement. He almost gave up a sack on his first play. They're both bad.
[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1351099615' post='1202689']
And pay him with what money?

Everyone constantly harps on how bad Oher is and to let him go. Who the hell else is going to play LT next year? They've determined Osemele isn't nimble enough on his feet to play LT and by taking Osemele they've determined Jah Reid was a wasted pick as a T. So we're going to what? Find a Pro Bowl level LT late in the draft? Good luck.

I'm not suggesting paying Oher top 10 LT money, but he's a competent T in the NFL. It's plainly obvious that he's a better RT than LT but we're not going to find a stud LT if we continually make the playoffs and try to win championships, which is the entire goal of playing each year.
[/quote]
That's not true at all. They drafted Osemele to be a Guard. There's no body of work for Jah,he was active for most of last year however. He had a Calf injury. He was sideline. Osemele was probably drafted to be a guard. Just Like Yanda was.

[ravens88]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1351101748' post='1202724']
We'll go and get Jake Long to play RT, and then trade a toaster to the Browns for Joe Thomas to play blindside.

Good God I'm a genius.
[/quote]

Love how people think can just let Oher go and get Long or any other in their prime pro bowl LT like its that easy you complain about cap issues get back to me if that ever happens talk about screwed.. Oher is effective at what he does for the price point. He should make more than he has its his rookie deal he's been on and that has been steal. RT money is what he will get paid and i think he's worth it other than penalty issues at times he has been solid not being hurt hardly and is one of better lineman we have. Lineman just fall off the trees apparently..

[Bravens292]

just what i didn't want to hear right now. i hope these talks stall as much as joes

[PurpleCityLights]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1351097762' post='1202645']
[url="http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-had-preliminary-contract-talks-with-michael-oher-20121024,0,3277130.story"]http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-had-preliminary-contract-talks-with-michael-oher-20121024,0,3277130.story[/url]

Aaron Wilson is reported that preliminary talks for a Michael Oher extension have been held. If he's is paid anything more than RT money my already low faith in the contract management of this FO is going to go away completely. It's bad enough that we overpay mediocre players at the least important positions on the team, giving big money to RGs (which you can easily find), RBs (again, easy to find someone who can get you the production you need with a good line), and ILBs (which is the lowest impact position on the defense) while letting the best pass protector on the team get away, but extending someone who has proven they will be nothing more than a below average LT at LT will be a catastrophic cap mistake. Michael Oher isn't a football player, he's a marketing scheme. It's sad that they're even considering keeping him, given the fact that Baltimore is one of, if not the most, loyal cities to its football team and doesn't need marketing schemes and feel-good stories to pack the stands.
[/quote]





Never knew you can just go find RBs out of nowhere that will give you good production,
Wonder why ever team in the NFL doesn't have One if its that simple?????????

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='PurpleCityLights' timestamp='1351105719' post='1202777']






Never knew you can just go find RBs out of nowhere that will give you good production,
Wonder why ever team in the NFL doesn't have One if its that simple?????????
[/quote]you haven't been around for the rice discussions, raven and a lot of others made there point on why they thought it wasn't a good move paying rice, and they were good arguments. Even the people that strongly disagreed and wanted to pay ray realised there was huge merit to the argument not to pay him and just tag him, then let him hit free agency.

Your sarcastic response won't get you anywhere on this debate

[Yatagarasu]

Give im a contract similar to Jermon Bushrod like around $5 Million annually because Oher is considered a solid player with no pro-bowls, or all-pros. If he wants something around Doug Free range (around $8 Million), then I guess we have to give him away to the Bears.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1351102017' post='1202730']
Putting McKinnie at LT wasn't an improvement. He almost gave up a sack on his first play. They're both bad.

That's not true at all. They drafted Osemele to be a Guard. There's no body of work for Jah,he was active for most of last year however. He had a Calf injury. He was sideline. Osemele was probably drafted to be a guard. Just Like Yanda was.
[/quote]
Jah Reid is slower footed than Osemele. I don't recall Osemele being selected to be a guard, doesn't make sense to me, he has desired arm length to be an NFL tackle and he played LT at Iowa St. Unlike Yanda, Osemele actually has the body to be an NFL tackle, whereas Yanda got by on sheer guts in his time as RT. I'm not high on Reid selection still, he's a lumbering big body who would get carved up by any edge rusher with a remotely adequate NFL burst off the line.

[bauer77]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1351097762' post='1202645']
[url="http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-had-preliminary-contract-talks-with-michael-oher-20121024,0,3277130.story"]http://www.baltimore...0,3277130.story[/url]

Aaron Wilson is reported that preliminary talks for a Michael Oher extension have been held. If he's is paid anything more than RT money my already low faith in the contract management of this FO is going to go away completely. It's bad enough that we overpay mediocre players at the least important positions on the team,[b] giving big money to RGs (which you can easily find)[/b], RBs (again, easy to find someone who can get you the production you need with a good line), and ILBs (which is the lowest impact position on the defense) while letting the best pass protector on the team get away, but extending someone who has proven they will be nothing more than a below average LT at LT will be a catastrophic cap mistake. Michael Oher isn't a football player, he's a marketing scheme. It's sad that they're even considering keeping him, given the fact that Baltimore is one of, if not the most, loyal cities to its football team and doesn't need marketing schemes and feel-good stories to pack the stands.
[/quote]


I've already agreed to disagree on the whole Rice thing, but Yanda deserved every cent of his deal. He's the only sure thing on our OL right now. I wish we could've found a way to keep Grubbs still, but i couldn't see any other way. I guess that extra few million was a huge deal to him.

[PurpleCityLights]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1351105970' post='1202781']
you haven't been around for the rice discussions, raven and a lot of others made there point on why they thought it wasn't a good move paying rice, and they were good arguments. Even the people that strongly disagreed and wanted to pay ray realised there was huge merit to the argument not to pay him and just tag him, then let him hit free agency.

Your sarcastic response won't get you anywhere on this debate
[/quote]



Guess we should've paid Flacco, let Rice walk and
Become an 8-8 team because we damn sure not making the playoffs with Flacco throwing the ball more. BTW isn't Flacco QB rating like 43.5 or something like that.......he's average Joe @ home and then he turns into Mark Sanchez when we play away.



Great idea dude we can magically get any good RB,magically get a great offensive line and then we can just let T.Smith run 9-routes all day and let Flacco drop bomb on him......

[EricH]

These forums are such a happy place after a loss.

[FerrariFan87]

Oher won't get more than RT money... although he does have a lot of leverage given who we have (or don't) at LT. This should be a very interesting negotiation.

[admartian]

[quote name='PurpleCityLights' timestamp='1351107487' post='1202805']
Guess we should've paid Flacco, let Rice walk and
Become an 8-8 team because we damn sure not making the playoffs with Flacco throwing the ball more. BTW isn't Flacco QB rating like 43.5 or something like that.......he's average Joe @ home and then he turns into Mark Sanchez when we play away.

[/quote]lol wut?

Yeah, he's bad when we're away, but when we;re home, he deserves to be labelled as one of the Top QBs. Being at home was never his issue....

This Flacco hate has spread like wildfire to the un-informed.