Merged: Is Harbaugh too easy on his Coordinators?

[nextgen_RavensFan]

I love the guys at 105.7 and they were saying it may be that Harbaugh has to much respect for Cam to be honest and is hard to tell him he needs to make some changes. Does this hold any merit and what are their ties to one another ?

[Larryterri]

Respect is one thing, but you have to hold somebody accountable when they are doing a terrible job. I'm not saying we need to "fire Cam" but c'mon, how many times have we forgotten about the run and what has happened every time?

[nextgen_RavensFan]

I agree and wondered where the ties are between them ? I do think by Harb's talking patience with the run and that the no huddle may be gone posts that we will get back to the run.

[izvoodoo]

If we're running Harewood should be in there.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

I like hi a lot. Our top 3 Oline guys are Yanda KO and Harewood. after these 3 we lose talent very quickly.

[Larryterri]

Im not so sold on abandoning the no huddle alltogether, I just think its more situatuational than an all the time thing. Something I see other teams do in it more than us is hand signals over audibles, but I would imagine our OC has thought of that already...

[nextgen_RavensFan]

I liked the no huddle and yes it is or should be very situational. If we are down and need a quick score etc but running the ball is our best bread and butter or should be.

When we tried to pass on the Eagles all they had to do was get physical and our receivers were not able to get open. I love T. Smith and company but they cannot get open against a physical corner.

[Neal Could Block the SUN!!]

What I don't get it is, how do we forget about the run?

I can't imagine Ray Rice, Bernard Pierce, and Vonta Leach are just sitting on the bench thinking this is cool we get the day off.

All of them head sets and video review folks we got working the game can't be forgetting that we have millions of dollars tied up in running backs and just get all pass happy.

Our Coordinators and Head Coach can't simple forget about having some semblance of a running attack.

So how in the heck are we just "forgetting about" the run?

[berad]

Sports radio has too much time on their hands. They'll talk themselves into / out of anything.

You can respect someone while still holding them accountable.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

You are so right Neal. Rice rolled that first series but i think once we fall behind the OC and Harb's started to feel the pressure and had gotten pass happy and everyone knew what was coming then. A pass rush that was relentless, numerous blocked passes. Joe took a few hard shots in the pocket and the receivers just were not getting open. Was a lot of bad things happening at one time and just kept snow balling.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1351097539' post='1202639']
Sports radio has too much time on their hands. They'll talk themselves into / out of anything.

You can respect someone while still holding them accountable.
[/quote]

Exactly, respect or not the Owner expect a competitive team on the field and if feelings get hurt so be it.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

Is Harb's weakness that he cannot tell his OC and DC that something has to change. Is our defense and offense showing his weakness ? Any other coach i believe would have told cam to face the fact that running the ball is a must here.

A coach would have forced the DC to either make some changes or he would be gone. To see a problem and not be able to fix it is one thing but to ignore there is a problem is something else entirely.

I see the Texans game as one of two ways.

Either we did not run the ball because we had zero faith in our defense to stop the texans and needed to score right away. or,

We had no faith in our OC to get the ball down the field. Either way. The run looked great on the first series. As soon as the Texans scored though we stopped running the ball and i think it was that we knew our D could not stop them at all and we were under pressure to score fast which did not happen.

Harb's either needs to get a set and get the D fixed so he has faith init stopping quality teams or commit to running the ball and fixing the O'line. Either way he needs to make a call here or we are going to see a lot more games like Texas.

Feelings are not a part of coaching and whether you hurt Cam's feelings or you hurt Pees's feelings and try to fix that. You either need to drop some guys who just do not have the talent for the NFL which there are a few or do the same for the offense. Changing the offensive scheme in the middle of the season even if it does work is hiding the real issues.

Harb's has had the luxury up until now to have a few players that could hide our weak side by playing great (miss you JJ) and now he does not and it is showing. So c'mon john and grow some bullocks and make the changes.

[jaege]

While, it seems that pretty much everyone, including all the talking heads on the tube and the radio and most of the forum agrees that running the ball is a must, maybe Harbs just does not agree. Personally, I think he justs let Cam run the offense however he likes and then they gently discuss it after the game. I think that Harbs is too hands off and too nice a guy.

[D-Rey]

Ummm if you have a bad defense, than running the ball helps that. Not quick score passing attack.

[SuggsBarber]

I don't think Harbs will do anything in being that I think he knows less about the offense/defense that his coordinators.As I see it,most coaches fall into these:

motivators/disclipinarians

teachers\organizers

x's and o's guy/tacticians

I think Harb is more of the first then latter.He'll pretty much leave things to his coordinators.

[berad]

You JUST made this thread... merging

[Tatelli]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1351100885' post='1202711']
While, it seems that pretty much everyone, including all the talking heads on the tube and the radio and most of the forum agrees that running the ball is a must, maybe Harbs just does not agree. Personally, I think he justs let Cam run the offense however he likes and then they gently discuss it after the game. I think that Harbs is too hands off and too nice a guy.
[/quote]
This^

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Didn't Haurbaugh say he was going to be more involved with O? If this is true that he is, man these two heads don't even make up one lol.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1351102061' post='1202733']
Didn't Haurbaugh say he was going to be more involved with O? If this is true that he is, man these two heads don't even make up one lol.
[/quote]
He'll be more involved in bringing donuts and coffee to the meetings, but other than that he has no grounds to change what his coordinators doing beside getting rid of him.....

Harbs' priority in the meeting is to just win the game for him and other than that he has no comment.....

[PurpleCityLights]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1351095922' post='1202603']
I love the guys at 105.7 and they were saying it may be that Harbaugh has to much respect for Cam to be honest and is hard to tell him he needs to make some changes. Does this hold any merit and what are their ties to one another ?
[/quote]

Love the show also but yeah, Harb has never coach as an OC so he stays out of Cams way
For the most part which I think is retarded.....

[kassaiscool]

Do you know Harbaugh has never fired any of his Coordinators? They either leave for another job or they stick around. Not saying I am here hoping for someone to get fired, but at the same time I think he is really buddy buddy with his coordinators and it effects his judgement. Their were reports at the end of last season that Cam thought he was goner himself, and was more surprised than anyone he was allowed back.

[bpytnjr58]

[quote name='kassaiscool' timestamp='1351106350' post='1202791']
Do you know Harbaugh has never fired any of his Coordinators? They either leave for another job or they stick around. Not saying I am here hoping for someone to get fired, but at the same time I think he is really buddy buddy with his coordinators and it effects his judgement. Their were reports at the end of last season that Cam thought he was goner himself, and was more surprised than anyone he was allowed back.
[/quote] I have watched him get really defensive when asked about their playcalling in the past....maybe it is true.

[Perfekt]

Honestly I been on the fire Cam train for years now and its not going to happen so its time to give up and accept this team for what it is. I think the one thing Chuck only coaching for a year proved was that a change in coaching can make a big difference. Sure people are going to bring up how its on the players to execute and we lost key players but the difference is players wanted to leave it all on the field before and I'm not seeing that now. Things better change soon.

[jaege]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1351095922' post='1202603']
I love the guys at 105.7 and they were saying it may be that Harbaugh has to much respect for Cam to be honest and is hard to tell him he needs to make some changes. Does this hold any merit and what are their ties to one another ?
[/quote]


No. That's idiotic. Harbs is getting paid big money to do a job. I cannot see him being so stupid to risk his career because he is afraid to hurt little Cam's feelings.

[Rav'n Maniac]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1351095922' post='1202603']
I love the guys at 105.7 and they were saying it may be that Harbaugh has to much respect for Cam to be honest and is hard to tell him he needs to make some changes. Does this hold any merit and [b]what are their ties to one another [/b]?
[/quote]

To answer your question: Cam was hired at Indiana as Head Coach in 97' and he hired Harbaugh as DB's / Special Teams Coordinator that same year. As well, they have remained friends over the years.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1351097539' post='1202639']
Sports radio has too much time on their hands. They'll talk themselves into / out of anything.

You can respect someone while still holding them accountable.
[/quote]
You guys are better off listening to me ramble all day. My commitee and I get so pissed off.

Employe 1. Skittles, and with how he is playing now, I am convinced that Joe Flacco is worse than Jamarcus Russel.
Employe 2. [profanity deleted] you, I like Hershey, and I agree, with how poor he played in the 4th quarter against Philly, and how bad he played in the first half, the Ravens have a bust
Me. HTF are they even related.
Anyway, back on topic, on Cam, no bc he is a decent coordinator, on Pees he is way too easy.
E1. No, Pees and Cam are HoF coordinators
E2. Hersheys are still better, and yes, that team sux cause of Flacco
Uggggh. How to improve the Ravens
Hire new CB coach
Hire new DC
Fire Cam and Promote Jim
E1/E2: Ok, next topic, why the Ravens will loose every game for the rest of this season ever.
Me. Ok you [i](the following had to be censored bc of profane language, bad acting, and sexual innuendo, and yes the mods did not type this up) [/i]
Remember people, vote me down if you hate..............

[ravefan52]

I think John may be going a bit too easy on his coordinators, but if he wants something changed he will tell them.

[rlh445]

Where is the basis that Harbs is going easy on people, I've watched John Harbaugh chop a referee in the chest, watched his head get so red from anger and screaming that I thought it was going to explode and watched him jump into the middle of a scrum while we were playing the Titans. He may seem all even keeled and nice during the press conferences, but if you actually watch the games it's obvious he's a powder keg and depending on how the game goes, he obviously explodes on everybody after the cameras are off. I'm sure he's yelled at Cam numerous times, but results are results..and Cam Cameron is a stubborn man.

[K-Dog]

One thing to consider.
For starters I dont think the HC has the authority to fire any one. I could be wrong. Granted I am sure he can recommend, but I dont think firing falls under his duties.
Secondly, no one here has a clue what is taking place behind closed doors. Harbaugh is doing the right thing publicly. I respect him for that.

You dont make it to this place in the NFL being an idiot. I am not going to sit here and call our coaching staff brilliant either but surely not idiots.
Every one from Biscotti down to the hot dog vendors know something is wrong. I am sure of it.
There is a vast difference between knowing something is wrong and knowing what is wrong. Even more vast the difference is how to fix it. I am quite confidant they are working on getting the needed answers. We will find out game day if they have the right answers.

[berad]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1351125570' post='1203017']
One thing to consider.
[b]For starters I dont think the HC has the authority to fire any one. I could be wrong. Granted I am sure he can recommend, but I dont think firing falls under his duties.[/b]
Secondly, no one here has a clue what is taking place behind closed doors. Harbaugh is doing the right thing publicly. I respect him for that.

You dont make it to this place in the NFL being an idiot. I am not going to sit here and call our coaching staff brilliant either but surely not idiots.
Every one from Biscotti down to the hot dog vendors know something is wrong. I am sure of it.
There is a vast difference between knowing something is wrong and knowing what is wrong. Even more vast the difference is how to fix it. I am quite confidant they are working on getting the needed answers. We will find out game day if they have the right answers.
[/quote]

Definitely not. Players are different but when you're dealing with coaches, that's the owner's money right from his pocket - not salary cap. I'm sure all hirings/firings are discussed with Bisciotti and other executives to okay it.