Merged: No-Huddle Discussions

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1351028703' post='1202041']
Who was the last RB to carry his team to the superbowl? Get back to me with that
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Why did you quote me?

[nk02442]

Beacuse I am clearly retarded! Sorry Bro

[The Raven]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1351028819' post='1202045']
That MIGHT work if we have run blocking or RB of Foster/Tates skill...........I should be a millionare and get to sleep with a different playboy bunny each night, but that doesnt mean it will is or going to happen.
[/quote]

We do have run blocking and we have a RB who is better than Foster. It has worked too, if you watched the games. I'm convinced you don't actually watch the games. Either that, or you just like to troll.

[nk02442]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351046723' post='1202318']
We do have run blocking and we have a RB who is better than Foster. It has worked too, if you watched the games. I'm convinced you don't actually watch the games. Either that, or you just like to troll.
[/quote]

Not even close. Our Whole OL minus Yanda is ATTROCIOUS. They cant block to save their lives. If you dont understand this, then you are wasting your time and electrons here posting.

And rice has no where near the skill that Foster Has. Rice is 2nd in the league for going down after contact. Touch him and he hits the ground. Foster and Tate (Salisbury Boy) are both better RB than rice. Rices only real threat is as reciever out of the backfield, and even now teams have keyed on that and been able to contaiin him. Dont get me wrong hes a top 10 RB, but he is not the back that AP/Foster/Charles is.

I watch every game, usualy two or three times. You are just like the rest of the mouth breathers on here who dont know anything about football as a whole. You live in your little raven world and think the whole league is purple.

[billick]

RR is a hammer, and is not a problem. He is about 2/3 of our offense.

Look it up.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1351084744' post='1202469']


Not even close. Our Whole OL minus Yanda is ATTROCIOUS. They cant block to save their lives. If you dont understand this, then you are wasting your time and electrons here posting.

And rice has no where near the skill that Foster Has. Rice is 2nd in the league for going down after contact. Touch him and he hits the ground. Foster and Tate (Salisbury Boy) are both better RB than rice. Rices only real threat is as reciever out of the backfield, and even now teams have keyed on that and been able to contaiin him. Dont get me wrong hes a top 10 RB, but he is not the back that AP/Foster/Charles is.

I watch every game, usualy two or three times. You are just like the rest of the mouth breathers on here who dont know anything about football as a whole. You live in your little raven world and think the whole league is purple.
[/quote]


Hey tough guy, quit criticizing your fellow raven fans, just cause they don't share the same opinions and point of views as you!

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1351084744' post='1202469']


Not even close. Our Whole OL minus Yanda is ATTROCIOUS. They cant block to save their lives. If you dont understand this, then you are wasting your time and electrons here posting.

And rice has no where near the skill that Foster Has. Rice is 2nd in the league for going down after contact. Touch him and he hits the ground. Foster and Tate (Salisbury Boy) are both better RB than rice. Rices only real threat is as reciever out of the backfield, and even now teams have keyed on that and been able to contaiin him. Dont get me wrong hes a top 10 RB, but he is not the back that AP/Foster/Charles is.

I watch every game, usualy two or three times. You are just like the rest of the mouth breathers on here who dont know anything about football as a whole. You live in your little raven world and think the whole league is purple.
[/quote]i agree with you on ray rice, but run blocking is our olines strength.

And is there any need for the insults to other people. You opinion, I'll say that again, opinion, isn't correct, it's just an opinion, everyone has one, and are entitled to one.

Yours is no more factual than the next guys.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1351026644' post='1202000']
I've been saying this for four years at least. This is Ray Rice's team. Our offensive game has to run through him.
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Right, like against cleveland? When he had what was it 2.8 yards per cary?
As bad as houston is, this is a Joe and Rice team. It's not one way or the other, we need both to work. If ray rice had averaged more than 3 yards a carry in the super bowl. We'd have gone there.
It's a 1-2 punch. Neither side is a knock out.

[nk02442]

Arnie,

You cannot honestly say that run blocking is our strength? Not to be a jerk, but either you dont watch the games or you do and have no idea what your talking about.

Our run blocking is about 3 on a scale of 10. There are 3 people that possitivley contribute to our run blocking. Obviously Leech, Then Yanda, then Boldin. And to be perfectly honest, without the other lineman holding their own, there is not much one gaurd can do. Birk gets DECIMATED at the line, hes old weak slow. Oher is a half way decent run blocker but the rest of the line is garbage.

Go download the film from the last two years. Dont pay attention to anything but the LOS.................... What you will see is gaps do not open up, Rice not following leech or trusting his blockers and hald the time, rice running into the back of one of the lineman and going down. THe threat of rice out of the backfield and the occactional long bomb are the only things from keeping us from 2 YPC Avg. That line is just as bad, if not worse than our current DL. What has always been a strength of this team..........despite round robin qbs, lack of recievers and a decent RB here and there.........is gone. They have not rebuilt this line. They need Smarter Lineman, they need more athletic lineman, and they need to stop trading down and picking up prospects who rarely even turn into blue collar starters/

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1351100288' post='1202699']
Arnie,

You cannot honestly say that run blocking is our strength? Not to be a jerk, but either you dont watch the games or you do and have no idea what your talking about.

Our run blocking is about 3 on a scale of 10. There are 3 people that possitivley contribute to our run blocking. Obviously Leech, Then Yanda, then Boldin. And to be perfectly honest, without the other lineman holding their own, there is not much one gaurd can do. Birk gets DECIMATED at the line, hes old weak slow. Oher is a half way decent run blocker but the rest of the line is garbage.

Go download the film from the last two years. Dont pay attention to anything but the LOS.................... What you will see is gaps do not open up, Rice not following leech or trusting his blockers and hald the time, rice running into the back of one of the lineman and going down. THe threat of rice out of the backfield and the occactional long bomb are the only things from keeping us from 2 YPC Avg. That line is just as bad, if not worse than our current DL. What has always been a strength of this team..........despite round robin qbs, lack of recievers and a decent RB here and there.........is gone. They have not rebuilt this line. They need Smarter Lineman, they need more athletic lineman, and [u][b]they need to stop trading down[/b][/u] and picking up prospects who rarely even turn into blue collar starters/
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i can stand it when we do this! smh!

~Mili

[nk02442]

To be honest I think we should have traded up the last couple years. Plenty of teams who would be willing to let us move up for a late round pick. We have more than enough guys for depth. We have a greta track record of UDFA and attract them. We need some early first round talent on this team.

Look at what atlanta and washington did. atleast atlanta...... who is the only undefeated team in the NFL. A big part of that of that was from trading up and having 2 pro bowl recivers who are un guardable.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1351100288' post='1202699']
Arnie,

You cannot honestly say that run blocking is our strength? Not to be a jerk, but either you dont watch the games or you do and have no idea what your talking about.

Our run blocking is about 3 on a scale of 10. There are 3 people that possitivley contribute to our run blocking. Obviously Leech, Then Yanda, then Boldin. And to be perfectly honest, without the other lineman holding their own, there is not much one gaurd can do. Birk gets DECIMATED at the line, hes old weak slow. Oher is a half way decent run blocker but the rest of the line is garbage.

Go download the film from the last two years. Dont pay attention to anything but the LOS.................... What you will see is gaps do not open up, Rice not following leech or trusting his blockers and hald the time, rice running into the back of one of the lineman and going down. THe threat of rice out of the backfield and the occactional long bomb are the only things from keeping us from 2 YPC Avg. That line is just as bad, if not worse than our current DL. What has always been a strength of this team..........despite round robin qbs, lack of recievers and a decent RB here and there.........is gone. They have not rebuilt this line. They need Smarter Lineman, they need more athletic lineman, and they need to stop trading down and picking up prospects who rarely even turn into blue collar starters/
[/quote]hows it not our strength? It's better than our pass blocking, therefore it's our olines strength.

For the record I have nfl gamepass access to games for the last three or five, can't remember, seasons and I watch the games.

We create plenty of holes, not on every run, but no one does. I agree rice doesn't often hit the hole, and when he does he dances up to it. Look at the difference between him and pierce, pierce is at full pelt running through a hole, rice, well is not. It's one of my main criticism for him.

Birk I agree isn't great, I think he'll be gone after this season, KO is a solid run blocker, far more consistent than pass blocking, oher the same, bobby Williams can't do either, and as you said yanda is probably the best guard in football right now.

Harewood coming back in will help run blocking because he's an improvement of Williams, and it was what he done well when he played.

And I agree, the trenches on both o and d are our biggest needs.

[nk02442]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1351102684' post='1202745']
hows it not our strength? It's better than our pass blocking, therefore it's our olines strength.

For the record I have nfl gamepass access to games for the last three or five, can't remember, seasons and I watch the games.

We create plenty of holes, not on every run, but no one does. I agree rice doesn't often hit the hole, and when he does he dances up to it. Look at the difference between him and pierce, pierce is at full pelt running through a hole, rice, well is not. It's one of my main criticism for him.

Birk I agree isn't great, I think he'll be gone after this season, KO is a solid run blocker, far more consistent than pass blocking, oher the same, bobby Williams can't do either, and as you said yanda is probably the best guard in football right now.

Harewood coming back in will help run blocking because he's an improvement of Williams, and it was what he done well when he played.

And I agree, the trenches on both o and d are our biggest needs.
[/quote]

Sorry for jerkmode again but your logic......is fail. Just beacuse it is marginly better then pass blocking, does not make it a strength. Deductive reasoning does not work in the case buddy.

EDIT: I think pierce should be getting more carries. He looks like a much better pure RB and his pass blocking could not be as bad as rices is. Benard hits the hole with a quickness and will get a couple yards after first hit. That is what we need.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1351108426' post='1202818']


Sorry for jerkmode again but your logic......is fail. Just beacuse it is marginly better then pass blocking, does not make it a strength. Deductive reasoning does not work in the case buddy.

EDIT: I think pierce should be getting more carries. He looks like a much better pure RB and his pass blocking could not be as bad as rices is. Benard hits the hole with a quickness and will get a couple yards after first hit. That is what we need.
[/quote]im not saying its a strength period, but its our olines strength, if their better at run blocking its their strength. Wile they may not be the best in the league, run blocking is our lines strength I don't see how it could be argued.

I think he should be getting more carries as well but then that goes back to cam.

[admartian]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1351100288' post='1202699']
They have not rebuilt this line. They need Smarter Lineman, they need more athletic lineman, and they need to stop trading down and picking up prospects who rarely even turn into blue collar starters/
[/quote]This!

I absolutely [b][i]hated[/i][/b] it with the last two drafts, especially the most recent one. We needed a blue-chip player to put us over the top; and while I like Upshaw and KO; I think trading up for Chandler Jones (physical freak who is showing his skills) or someone else, could have been the difference to at least making our lines (OL or DL) look respectable.

But nope, Oz likes to have this misguided notion of "value" for the sake of value instead of just trying to get the best player within our means..

[The Raven]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1351100288' post='1202699']
Arnie,

You cannot honestly say that run blocking is our strength? Not to be a jerk, but either you dont watch the games or you do and have no idea what your talking about.

Our run blocking is about 3 on a scale of 10. There are 3 people that possitivley contribute to our run blocking. Obviously Leech, Then Yanda, then Boldin. And to be perfectly honest, without the other lineman holding their own, there is not much one gaurd can do. Birk gets DECIMATED at the line, hes old weak slow. Oher is a half way decent run blocker but the rest of the line is garbage.

Go download the film from the last two years. Dont pay attention to anything but the LOS.................... What you will see is gaps do not open up, Rice not following leech or trusting his blockers and hald the time, rice running into the back of one of the lineman and going down. THe threat of rice out of the backfield and the occactional long bomb are the only things from keeping us from 2 YPC Avg. That line is just as bad, if not worse than our current DL. What has always been a strength of this team..........despite round robin qbs, lack of recievers and a decent RB here and there.........is gone. They have not rebuilt this line. They need Smarter Lineman, they need more athletic lineman, and they need to stop trading down and picking up prospects who rarely even turn into blue collar starters/
[/quote]

Rice is averaging 4.9 yards a carry and Pierce is averaging 5.3 yards a carry.

Rice has only had two games where his average was lower than a 4.7. His lowest averages are a 3.9 and a 2.7. Next lowest is 4.7.

Yeah. Our line does suck at run blocking.

[nk02442]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351112838' post='1202877']
Rice is averaging 4.9 yards a carry and Pierce is averaging 5.3 yards a carry.

Rice has only had two games where his average was lower than a 4.7. His lowest averages are a 3.9 and a 2.7. Next lowest is 4.7.

Yeah. Our line does suck at run blocking.
[/quote]

And how many of those runs are first downs?. Take away the long runs and the avg drops consideribly. The variance is what is important. 1 50 yard run gets you 1 1st down and 3 plays normaly. 10, 5 yard runs will give you 5 first downs and 15 plays. We have gone full circle but im not going repeat everything again.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1351115116' post='1202907']


And how many of those runs are first downs?. Take away the long runs and the avg drops consideribly. The variance is what is important. 1 50 yard run gets you 1 1st down and 3 plays normaly. 10, 5 yard runs will give you 5 first downs and 15 plays. We have gone full circle but im not going repeat everything again.
[/quote]this I also agree with. Rice has too many runs for zero one or two yards. Then breaks a big one, which he doesn't Have the speed to take to the house. I'd rather a consistent 4 to 5 yard runner with no big runs.

This thread is going to the wayside you'd think we hate rice in here

[nk02442]

Yea rice is one of the best players on the team, dont get me wrong. But he is not really close to the best RB in the league. More around top 10ish. His durrability has really been what has set him apart from his peers. Give most any RB 250-300 Carries and 100+ passes thrown their way for 4 years strait and they wil put up 1200 yards on the ground and 500 in the air.

[JoeCool#5]

I have to say Cam has mixed it up a bit this season. Getting away from the typical play calling series of run, run, and pass on 3rd & long. Now he mixes it with his favorite play - the patent play action pass (even though we NEVER establish the run). With Joe's only option being the WR who sprints down the center of the field trying to get behind the secondary, while everyone on Offense is at the line of scrimmage blocking and selling the run.

Unfortunately opposing teams have studied the film and adjusted, for the WR running the go route is always double even tripled covered. So Joe has to chunk it 20 yards pass the deepest secondary play to avoid throwing it into a crowd of safeties and cornerbacks.

[The Raven]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1351115116' post='1202907']
And how many of those runs are first downs?. [b]Take away the long runs and the avg drops consideribly.[/b] The variance is what is important. 1 50 yard run gets you 1 1st down and 3 plays normaly. 10, 5 yard runs will give you 5 first downs and 15 plays. We have gone full circle but im not going repeat everything again.
[/quote]

This is true for most running backs...

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1351027313' post='1202011']
Except we've seen the offense perform well even when he saw limited touches. And we've also seen games where he got his touches but the offense still struggled.

Him seeing only 9 carries against the Texans was just moronic but he's not the end-all-be-all for the offense.
[/quote]I disagree, you cant run your running back into a brick wall, you have to get creative. Ray rice is the most talented player on offense.The offense has to run through him. Whether it is in the passing game or run game,

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1351100261' post='1202698']
Right, like against cleveland? When he had what was it 2.8 yards per cary?
As bad as houston is, this is a Joe and Rice team. It's not one way or the other, we need both to work. If ray rice had averaged more than 3 yards a carry in the super bowl. We'd have gone there.
It's a 1-2 punch. Neither side is a knock out.
[/quote]Throw the stats out. Watch the games.Ray Rice is the best player on offense. It's obvious Joe can't carry this team, unless he is playing a terrible defense. Joe is slighly above average at his position in his fifth year. SMH

[ellicottraven]

Simply stated we need to run the ball more than 50% of the snaps when we are playing on the road. Spell Rice when tired with Pierce and we'll be just fine.... time of possession is the name of the NFL folks!

[ellicottraven]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1350994354' post='1201471']
No-huddle isn't the problem play-calling is. We used to be one of the best road teams in the NFL because we brought two things that always travel well...[u]defense and a running game[/u]. Now we have no defense and we choose not to use our running game.

You would think after a year and a half Cam would have realized that throwing the ball more isn't the answer on the road.
[/quote] When you have a defense that is on the field for less time than the Offense is (which tends to happen if we have a running game working well), we win the battle for time of possession. However, my point was that the 'no huddle' is too fast paced and if ineffective (like vs. Dallas and Houston) we tend to keep the defense on the field for too long. You keep them on the field for too long, they tire and are rendered ineffective in the latter part of the game!

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='ellicottraven' timestamp='1351188538' post='1203445']
When you have a defense that is on the field for less time than the Offense is (which tends to happen if we have a running game working well), we win the battle for time of possession. However, my point was that the 'no huddle' is too fast paced and if ineffective (like vs. Dallas and Houston) we tend to keep the defense on the field for too long. You keep them on the field for too long, they tire and are rendered ineffective in the latter part of the game!
[/quote]
The no-huddle doesn't have to be any faster than a traditional offense. If we choose to we can run a no-huddle but still use up most of the play clock. Peyton Manning has been doing that for years. It's a choice to snap the ball quickly.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1351187560' post='1203419']
Throw the stats out. Watch the games.Ray Rice is the best player on offense. It's obvious Joe can't carry this team, unless he is playing a terrible defense. Joe is slighly above average at his position in his fifth year. SMH
[/quote]
i'll agree Ray is the best player on offense. Apart from when he gets touched at the line of scrimage or jammed up. Whenever anyone touches him at all.
Overall I'd say rice is 5th at his position and Joe is 8th. Whoopdie do.

Exact we have much better Run blockers than Pass blockers/Catchers. Just look at the oline. Harewood, Oher, Yanda and KO are all better Run blockers.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1351187204' post='1203411']
I disagree, you cant run your running back into a brick wall, you have to get creative. Ray rice is the most talented player on offense.The offense has to run through him. Whether it is in the passing game or run game,
[/quote]

What exactly are you disagreeing with? Facts? Again, the offense has been successful without much production from Rice before.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1351212438' post='1203680']
What exactly are you disagreeing with? Facts? Again, the offense has been successful without much production from Rice before.
[/quote]Every defense schemes against Rice. Whether he is productive stat wise or not, he is still effective.

[DocMartin]

Each game is different and stats don't mean much. Maybe some of you forget, we were down 29-3 at halftime playing in Texans stadium. Our running game was over. What we needed was to erase 26 point deficit, so we were forced to pass. Any other time I say run the ball, but in this case we had no choice, but to score quick and often.