Merged: Ozzie / Past Drafts Discussions

[BenMir]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1350909884' post='1200014']
Ed, gone. McKinney gone. Boldin gone. Ayanbadejo gone. Birk gone. Ngata, restructure. Oher, right tackle only. Find a LT in the draft.
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Boldin stays. The man takes over games for us, no way he's gone.

[The Raven]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1350909884' post='1200014']
Ed, gone. McKinney gone. Boldin gone. Ayanbadejo gone. Birk gone. Ngata, restructure. Oher, right tackle only. Find a LT in the draft.
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I agree with all except Ngata, Boldin, and Oher. Obviously we have different opinions on Ngata's performance so I'm gonna let that one go.

With how inconsistently our WRs have been playing, I don't see us getting rid of Boldin. He'll be restructured.

Why find a LT in the draft? Oher has played exceptionally for much of the season. How many sacks has he allowed? I remember four, which sounds like a lot until I bring up that one of them was against Trent Cole and the others were arguably coverage sacks. Oher is the least of our concern right now.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1350912844' post='1200052']
That sort of goes along with what I was saying. We've been picking at the bottom of the first round for 4 straight years now and it's beginning to show.
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And we usually miss out on 1 player. So Far Jimmy has been our only real bust, but it's still early. But everyone else has just been a solid player at that spot.

[BenMir]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1350913361' post='1200064']
I agree with all except Ngata, Boldin, and Oher. Obviously we have different opinions on Ngata's performance so I'm gonna let that one go.

With how inconsistently our WRs have been playing, I don't see us getting rid of Boldin. He'll be restructured.

Why find a LT in the draft? Oher has played exceptionally for much of the season. How many sacks has he allowed? I remember four, which sounds like a lot until I bring up that one of them was against Trent Cole and the others were arguably coverage sacks. Oher is the least of our concern right now.
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I have 4 on my mind. 3 against top pass rushers (Cole, Houston, Hali) and 1 against top rusher which should be credited to the all mighty, super all star all pro left guard Bobby "he's good and has experience" Williams.
I like what we saw from Oher so far. He held his ground most of the time (I mean, Chandler Jones - Shut down. Ware - Shut down except that stupid sack.)

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='BenMir' timestamp='1350913919' post='1200079']
I have 4 on my mind. 3 against top pass rushers (Cole, Houston, Hali) and 1 against top rusher which should be credited to the all mighty, super all star all pro left guard Bobby "he's good and has experience" Williams.
I like what we saw from Oher so far. He held his ground most of the time (I mean, Chandler Jones - Shut down. Ware - Shut down except that stupid sack.)
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If you rewatch the kansas city game, he got beat once by Justin Houston. And trent cole gave him fits. Those guys are studs though. Whittworth is the only LT i can think of who wasn't out of our range. That was the year we took Ngata, and we were one pick away from Whittworth.

EDIT: Ironically the 2 players right in front of Chris Chester were Andrew Whittworth and bernard pollard

[RavensAllTheWay]

I love Boldin, but he's gotta score more TDs. I know it's not entirely his fault, but he's been lacking TDs big time these last two seasons. That's gotta change somehow. It's great that he's on pace for 70 or so catches and 1,000 or so yards, but most guys with numbers like that score a lot more TDs. Last year, 57 for 887, but only 3 scores. I'm pretty concerned about that.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1350915635' post='1200123']
I love Boldin, but he's gotta score more TDs. I know it's not entirely his fault, but he's been lacking TDs big time these last two seasons. That's gotta change somehow. It's great that he's on pace for 70 or so catches and 1,000 or so yards, but most guys with numbers like that score a lot more TDs. Last year, 57 for 887, but only 3 scores. I'm pretty concerned about that.
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It comes down to usage. Cam doesn't call many passes in the red-zone and that's always been Boldin's best bet to get TDs. And we've [i]never[/i] seen the kinds of screens at the goal-line Q ran during his days in Arizona.

[H8R]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1350912101' post='1200040']
I love how everyone thinks there's LTs in the draft. There might be 3 LTs who were not taken in the top 20. If we were 2-5 I'd say LT definitely. But seeing as how we are probably going to be in the bottom of the draft, again, the best we'd be looking at would be an average LT. Just like Oher. Who everyone would hate, just like Oher.
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whos said DRAFT an LT????

[H8R]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1350913361' post='1200064']
I agree with all except Ngata, Boldin, and Oher. Obviously we have different opinions on Ngata's performance so I'm gonna let that one go.

With how inconsistently our WRs have been playing, I don't see us getting rid of Boldin. He'll be restructured.

Why find a LT in the draft? Oher has played exceptionally for much of the season. How many sacks has he allowed? I remember four, which sounds like a lot until I bring up that one of them was against Trent Cole and the others were arguably coverage sacks. Oher is the least of our concern right now.
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Ngatas restructure isnt performance based...its cap based. My point on The Blindside is, Oher can be an OUTSTANDNG RT. Hes just an average LT...especailly when you count up all of the presnap penalties..

[redlobster]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1350851189' post='1198331']
The great Oz thread...

So lets look at the great Oz and his picks since 2009 shall we and compare them to what we have lost. Lets see how great Ozzie is. This should be fun huh..

In 2009 we get the following:
Michael Oher: Solid RT or LT
Paul Kruger: Average
Ladarius Webb: awesome
Jason Phillips: Loss
Davon Drew: Loss
Cedric Peerman: Loss

! out of 6 aint bad right, LMAO

2010
sergio kindle: Loss
terrance cody: Average
ed dickson: Drops too many passes
dennis pitta: good
david reed: Loss
arthur jones: Average
ramon harewood: Average

2 out of 7 aint bad

2011

Jimmy smith: Not fitting of 1st round (yet)
torrey smith: excellent
Jah Reid: Loss
Tandon Doss: Good
Cjykie Brown: unknown
Pernell Mcphee: OK
Tyrod Taylor: Unknown
Anthony Allen: loss

4 out of 7 aint bad

2012
Courtney Upshaw: I like what Ive seen so far
Kelechi Osemele: starting RT and definetly not a loss
Bernard Pierce: not a loss, doesn't get enough touches ( rice doesn't either)
Gino Gradkowski: Unknown
Christian Thompson: Unknown
Asa Jackson: unknown
Tommy Streeter: unknown
Deangelo Tyson: unknown

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fixed it for you, a lot of the "loss" you were calling were people that were just drafted or are average, they will be backups or role players but nothing special.

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1350912098' post='1200039']
I did a similar thing and looked back at each of the past four drafts even before yesterdays game. I too think our drafts have been sub par recently but I can't complain about any of the picks. I loved the Kruger, Cody, and Kindle picks as did a lot of other people. Although Oher isn't elite as bad as our o-line has been can you imagine how bad they would be without him?

Ultimately, I looked back at previous drafts not for who we took but who we could have taken instead and I don't see a whole lot. The two that stood out was Clay Matthews instead of Oher and I believe the Dallas CB Carr was a 5th round pick we could have had but he is with Dallas because his rookie contract expired so there is no guarantee he would still be here anyway.

I guess what I'm saying is while our drafts haven't been spectacular that is the price of continued success. We haven't sniffed the middle of the first round since we drafted Flacco.
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I did the exact same thing actually, we also missed out on Jimmy Grahm, we could have picked him over Ed Dickson i believe. But other than those names I think we did as well in the drafts as we could. It's just hard to be in the back of the draft year in and year out.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1350917818' post='1200168']
whos said DRAFT an LT????
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You did, when you said find an LT in the draft.
[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1350909884' post='1200014']
Ed, gone. McKinney gone. Boldin gone. Ayanbadejo gone. Birk gone. Ngata, restructure. Oher, right tackle only. Find a LT in the draft.
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[H8R]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1350920499' post='1200277']
You did, when you said find an LT in the draft.
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LOL.... Damn Iphone, it was supposed to be find one in the draft "we cant" in front of Find.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1350920614' post='1200286']
LOL.... Damn Iphone, it was supposed to be find one in the draft "we cant" in front of Find.
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Oh ok, I wasn't trying to be smart I was just thinking "Really?"

Doubtful we find another LT. Truthfully Oher hasn't been that bad. Apart from some coverage sacks.

The team really isn't that bad. We just need Dlinemen.


The good news? Run stuffers are cheap and can be found in free agency. So long term it's not hard to sure up a run defense.

[dirtybird10]

I think one thing that would really turn this Defense around, would be a quality End to go opposite of Ngata. If we could draft/sign or groom someone to get push, and keep contain on runs, and maybe get his hands up at the line. We could turn this defense completely around. Especially with Suggs back and Upshaw/Kruger rotation on the other side.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1350920152' post='1200257']
I did the exact same thing actually, we also missed out on Jimmy Grahm, we could have picked him over Ed Dickson i believe. But other than those names I think we did as well in the drafts as we could. It's just hard to be in the back of the draft year in and year out.
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Yeah I forgot about Jimmy Graham. But even that miss is understandable. Graham was a high risk high reward guy whereas Dickson was a prolific pass catcher in college. The Ravens went the safe route since we needed someone to replace Heap fairly soon and didn't have the luxury of working on what many considered to be a project.

[Purple_ICE 81]

I feel like KO is a beast...Maybe its just me but I like how ozzie grabs project players and lets them develop into talented players. Remember in pre-season last year how bad torrey smith looked? dropsies didnt even define how many balls he dropped...only Michael Vick dropped more balls this season than Torrey did 2011 preseason hahahaahha because vick fumbles alo---ANYWAY the point is that we grab players who have upside and allow them to progress...no we dont trade down to get the best players in the draft but Ozzie is one of the best GMs in the league. His only real flaw...because he is human everyone has them...would be not firing cam cameron.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Purple_ICE 81' timestamp='1350922459' post='1200340']
[b]I feel like KO is a beast.[/b]..Maybe its just me but I like how ozzie grabs project players and lets them develop into talented players. Remember in pre-season last year how bad torrey smith looked? dropsies didnt even define how many balls he dropped...only Michael Vick dropped more balls this season than Torrey did 2011 preseason hahahaahha because vick fumbles alo---ANYWAY the point is that we grab players who have upside and allow them to progress...no we dont trade down to get the best players in the draft but Ozzie is one of the best GMs in the league. His only real flaw...because he is human everyone has them...would be not firing cam cameron.
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I think he can be in a few years. The fact that the OP already wrote him off as a bust is crazy. Same with Pierce. I know everybody loves Ray Rice. But with the load he's carried so far in his career (including college). it won't surprise me if we Ravens fans are chanting Pierce's name as one of the best in the league in a few years.

[Purple_ICE 81]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1350922889' post='1200347']
I think he can be in a few years. The fact that the OP already wrote him off as a bust is crazy. Same with Pierce. I know everybody loves Ray Rice. But with the load he's carried so far in his career (including college). it won't surprise me if we Ravens fans are chanting Pierce's name as one of the best in the league in a few years.
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Shoot I remember in 2008 when Rice played similar to how pierce is this season. I knew Rice had play making potential, and in a couple of years I feel safe saying Bernard Pierce will be the new Ray Rice

[omar586]

i think coaching has alot to do with it too,

[Cville-Raven]

[quote name='Purple_ICE 81' timestamp='1350922459' post='1200340']
I feel like KO is a beast...Maybe its just me but I like how ozzie grabs project players and lets them develop into talented players. Remember in pre-season last year how bad torrey smith looked? dropsies didnt even define how many balls he dropped...only Michael Vick dropped more balls this season than Torrey did 2011 preseason hahahaahha because vick fumbles alo---ANYWAY the point is that we grab players who have upside and allow them to progress...no we dont trade down to get the best players in the draft but Ozzie is one of the best GMs in the league. His only real flaw...because he is human everyone has them...would be not firing cam cameron.
[/quote]Agreed he has been a really solid lineman for us this season. With another season he could be good. Calling him a bust is just Moronic.

[Cville-Raven]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1350922889' post='1200347']
I think he can be in a few years. The fact that the OP already wrote him off as a bust is crazy. Same with Pierce. I know everybody loves Ray Rice. But with the load he's carried so far in his career (including college). it won't surprise me if we Ravens fans are chanting Pierce's name as one of the best in the league in a few years.
[/quote]As much as I like Pierce, I frankly don't see that happening. Rice is here to stay, thus putting pierce behind him. Unless Rice gets injured I don't see Pierce taking over.

[The Raven]

[quote name='BenMir' timestamp='1350913919' post='1200079']
I have 4 on my mind. 3 against top pass rushers (Cole, Houston, Hali) and 1 against top rusher which should be credited to the all mighty, super all star all pro left guard Bobby "he's good and has experience" Williams.
I like what we saw from Oher so far. He held his ground most of the time (I mean, Chandler Jones - Shut down. Ware - Shut down except that stupid sack.)
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Thanks for the refresher. I think that this indicates that Oher is more than a capable LT in this league. Not a great LT, but certainly more than capable. Add his run blocking to this and you have a pretty good LT.

[Cville-Raven]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1350937780' post='1200775']
Thanks for the refresher. I think that this indicates that Oher is more than a capable LT in this league. Not a great LT, but certainly more than capable. Add his run blocking to this and you have a pretty good LT.
[/quote]Not to mention he isn't getting any help from scrub Bobby William's.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Cville-Raven' timestamp='1350939018' post='1200835']
Not to mention he isn't getting any help from scrub Bobby William's.
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I want Harewood back.

[BenMir]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1350939361' post='1200847']
I want Harewood back.
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[quote name='Cville-Raven' timestamp='1350939018' post='1200835']
Not to mention he isn't getting any help from scrub Bobby William's.
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Well,, Williams does help. He helps the defensive line, but still, it's some sort of help..

[RayRicefan2720]

I've also seen this alot on here so far, players we have missed out on. Let me just say this. While the players we supposedly missed out on on other teams might be beasts on other teams, whose to say they would on our team? We could have drafted Jimmy Graham, and he could have not even panned out. Certain players just fit on certain teams, and some players may not pan out on certain teams. You could say sometimes it has to do with the system. Perfect example of the system is some of the ravens players that have thrived on our D that have left, and don't so well on the teams they go to.

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='sliceanddic3' timestamp='1350866866' post='1199320']
Some people just need to learn to take a chill pill. God these post are funny though.
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There also fun and easy to start an argument with.

[H8R]

I wish we could have kept Dwan Edawards. He's put together a decent career after leaving us. He was far/is far better then Fart Jones.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1350939361' post='1200847']
I want Harewood back.
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What a ridiculous move putting Williams in there. Harewood struggles on a couple stunts in one game that we win and you take him out of the lineup? Williams has been brutal since he stepped in. Ware's sack against Dallas was a result of Williams not picking up a stunt and then falling over, and I don't think I really need to say anything about his back to back plays yesterday.