Merged: Ozzie / Past Drafts Discussions

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1350861887' post='1199042']
This thread loses credibility when you put Webb in the 2009 Draft Class, when he should have been in our amazing 2008 Draft Class as he was a third round pick that year for us.
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Nope, Webb was third round 2009. [url="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/tracker#dt-by-round-input:1/dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-team-input:bal"]http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/tracker#dt-by-round-input:1/dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-team-input:bal[/url]

[Cville-Raven]

I like how you call PM OK. He was a stud his rookie season. Granted he is an OK starter now, however with a better supporting cast he could return to Stud-dem. HAHAHA and KO is a Loss; I think he has one of our best O-lineman so far this season. Outside of the KC game he has played excellently. Maybe we should look at Pittsburgh's track record; Im sure it's much worse. LOL btw how is Gino considered unknown and Streeter is considered a loss when they both have had no play time.

[bauer77]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350857749' post='1198753']
OMG REALLY?

Now after your well thought out and articilated respose............. 7 games and none of the young talent has shown anything. 7 games and none of the supposed depth players who were supposed to be starters this year have done anything. 7 games and we are one of the worst defenses and offenses in the league. 7 games and nothing has changed..........

Your right it has only been 7 games but we already know everything we need to. Thanks
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Um, who was supposed to be a starter from the 2012 draft? Outside of Upshaw, who wouldn't be starting if Suggs had been healthy from the start, nobody was projected to start. Sorry, but 7 games is not enough to prove if guys we drafted in APRIL, will become contributors on this team or not. They have guys ahead of them with more experience.

[Alexir]

Wait. Jimmy is a loss and Tandon is good? What a clown post, bro

[berad]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1350861887' post='1199042']
This thread loses credibility when you put Webb in the 2009 Draft Class, when he should have been in our amazing 2008 Draft Class as he was a third round pick that year for us.
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Noooo JO!

[RayRicefan2720]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350857749' post='1198753']
OMG REALLY?

Now after your well thought out and articilated respose............. 7 games and none of the young talent has shown anything. 7 games and none of the supposed depth players who were supposed to be starters this year have done anything. 7 games and we are one of the worst defenses and offenses in the league. 7 games and nothing has changed..........

Your right it has only been 7 games but we already know everything we need to. Thanks
[/quote]

I'll go back to my statement. Even if they are supposed to be so called starters, did you honestly expect any of our rookies to come in and start and be pro bowlers their first year? Seriously? Osemele was never going to come in and be a pro bowler or play amazing, we all knew he had work to do. Upshaw was about the only rookie I expected to play and play well. Hes grown since he started, he isnt perfect but he isnt a suggs. I never said anything about our existing depth players, Im talking about rookies whom they drafted this year. That was my whole point. People expect out late rounder rookies who they drafted this year to come and play amazing. They are only setting themselves up to be dissapointed. No one can expect a rookie to come in the year he was drafted and play like ray lewis's rookie year.

[JO_75]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1350862140' post='1199056']
Nope, Webb was third round 2009. [url="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/tracker#dt-by-round-input:1/dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-team-input:bal"]http://www.nfl.com/d...-team-input:bal[/url]
[/quote]

Really? I thought he was with us longer and was drafted in 2008?

Well either way this is a total over reaction thread and while yes Ozzie hasn't drafted players who have become stars he still has drafted good players.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1350862566' post='1199084']
Really? I thought he was with us longer and was drafted in 2008?

Well either way this is a total over reaction thread and while yes Ozzie hasn't drafted players who have become stars he still has drafted good players.
[/quote]

Our third rounder in that class was Tavares Gooden (and Zbikowski and Oniel Cousins), so I understand how you could have forgotten him.

[RayRicefan2720]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1350862243' post='1199062']
Um, who was supposed to be a starter from the 2012 draft? Outside of Upshaw, who wouldn't be starting if Suggs had been healthy from the start, nobody was projected to start. Sorry, but 7 games is not enough to prove if guys we drafted in APRIL, will become contributors on this team or not. They have guys ahead of them with more experience.
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Thank you for re-itearing and generalizing my comment. +1 That was basically what I was saying. I just dont understaind how people can expect so much out of a player who hasnt even played a full year in the NFL.

[Cville-Raven]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1350853802' post='1198545']
Out of our next 9 games how many do you have us winning friends ? I have us winning 5 and that leaves us at 10-6 and is that a play off team yes but a Super Bowl team, no way. And i was being kind with the Redskins and Raiders. The Skins have a QB that can throw and we all know how that ends. I am all for being a fan but we need some changes if we are talking Super Bowl. I do think that the Texans will meet us again in the Play offs if we make it that far and what do you see changing between now and then ?

Williams learns to cover, Cody somehow gets off of a block. We stop the run somehow ? Smith stops biting on the receivers first move ? The O'line could somehow stop the pressure and save Joe.

He might want to get out now before he ends up with a career ending injury due to the offensive line.. LOL Seriously we need help guys and it is not in just one area it is an offensive, defensive mess out there and it cannot be fixed by new coachs etc. We need TALENT !!
[/quote]you do realize the Giants were 9-7 last year and the Packers 10-6 before that.....what the hell are you talking about

[GTRavens]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1350861401' post='1199009']
While you have a good counter example, I don't think Tampa Bay's signing of Nicks or Jackson this off-season were risky. They might have been given a bit much, but they definitely made that team better. Same goes for Denver and Manning. There are numerous examples of people making poor free agency decisions, but if you have solid underlying evidence on a guy I don't think taking a chance here and there would be a ridiculous idea. I'm not saying be Dan Snyder, but I'd like to see a bit more aggression and I don't think that's too much to ask for.
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Yes, but those guys are superstars. It's a bit different in that regard. Going for genuine superstars is generally a safe bet. It's everything below that where the huge risk comes in, and given how close we are to the cap, that's pretty much all we're in range for. Under those circumstances, we're better off avoiding it altogether.

[flynismo]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350856563' post='1198709']
You really know nothing of football.
Cody is a pretty bad NT/DT. He gets no penetration, and his tackling is weak. He cannot shed a center to save his life. When they are running up the gut and getting 8 yards a play.... your NT is doing somehting wrong.
[/quote]

Jog my memory here, coach..
What is the NT job again? Is it perhaps to eat up blockers, not to get penetration or shed double teams?
What is the inherent weak point of a 3-4? Is it not the massive gaps between the NT and the DEs, meaning that the way to run against a 3-4 is to pound it up the gut?

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1350866126' post='1199283']
Jog my memory here, coach..
What is the NT job again? Is it perhaps to eat up blockers, not to get penetration or shed double teams?
What is the inherent weak point of a 3-4? Is it not the massive gaps between the NT and the DEs, meaning that the way to run against a 3-4 is to pound it up the gut?
[/quote]
Yeah, but Cody is a decent player at best. Ngata is the more natural fit. I am always a targert here on these forums but I can take it (because I am bataman). He draws blockers away to let the LB do their thing, just let him be.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1350866480' post='1199300']
Yeah, but Cody is a decent player at best. Ngata is the more natural fit. I am always a targert here on these forums but I can take it (because I am bataman). He draws blockers away to let the LB do their thing, just let him be.
[/quote]

Meh, I never liked Cody either. I was just annoyed that he questions people's intelligence, and posts that nonsense only a sentence or two after accussing someone of not knowing anything about football.

[sliceanddic3]

Some people just need to learn to take a chill pill. God these post are funny though.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1350866659' post='1199311']
Meh, I never liked Cody either. I was just annoyed that he questions people's intelligence, and posts that nonsense only a sentence or two after accussing someone of not knowing anything about football.
[/quote]
He has no regard for human feelings. ;(.
If you ask me we draft a DT first round this year. Then Datone Jones (this years version of my Tommy Streeter, your Mike Adams)
Isnt that banned on here tho????
It should be. Ive been on this forum for a while, and I (usually ) know what im talking about. Im tired of these negative people.

[codizzle]

Peerman just scored a TD.. Your point is invalid!!!

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1350867141' post='1199336']
Peerman just scored a TD.. Your point is invalid!!!
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He isnt with us anymore tho.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1350867246' post='1199345']

He isnt with us anymore tho.
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Sarcasm abounds

[The Raven]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1350866126' post='1199283']
Jog my memory here, coach..
What is the NT job again? Is it perhaps to eat up blockers, not to get penetration or shed double teams?
What is the inherent weak point of a 3-4? Is it not the massive gaps between the NT and the DEs, meaning that the way to run against a 3-4 is to pound it up the gut?
[/quote]

He does have a point. Cody gets driven back easily by even average centers. So far, Cody has had a mediocre season. I am not a fan at all. When a 3-4 defense can't stop the run, it usually indicates that it has a bad nose tackle.

[ClintLB8]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350857749' post='1198753']
OMG REALLY?

Now after your well thought out and articilated respose............. 7 games and none of the young talent has shown anything. 7 games and none of the supposed depth players who were supposed to be starters this year have done anything. 7 games and we are one of the worst defenses and offenses in the league. 7 games and nothing has changed..........

Your right it has only been 7 games but we already know everything we need to. Thanks
[/quote]

So, what was so wrong with his comment? I'm not saying the guy is 100% right but it wasn't a bad comment. Fact is this, the Ravens have been to the playoffs the last four years in a row. The leaders of this team have been Ray Lewis and Ed Reed for the past decade at least and now both of them are getting on up there in age. It's a transition period as far as guys trying to go from it being Ray's and Ed's team to stepping up and calling it theirs. That's going to take some time.. We are 5-2 right now and while the Ravens still have a lot of work to do.. That's not a bad position to be in. We have holes.. but so did the Giants last year and so did the Patriots. I'm pretty sure EVERYONE wrote off the Giants last year and look what happened. They had guys come on strong at the right time. You need to stop being so negative and appreciate what the Ravens have put on the field for you the last 4+ years.. which is a quality football team that is exciting to pull for and competes. No, they haven't made it to a Super Bowl yet but that doesn't mean we should give up on them. Good thing the guys in the locker room don't give up like some of you fans do or we'd be staring at another Cleveland Browns.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='ClintLB8' timestamp='1350877506' post='1199713']


So, what was so wrong with his comment? I'm not saying the guy is 100% right but it wasn't a bad comment. Fact is this, the Ravens have been to the playoffs the last four years in a row. The leaders of this team have been Ray Lewis and Ed Reed for the past decade at least and now both of them are getting on up there in age. It's a transition period as far as guys trying to go from it being Ray's and Ed's team to stepping up and calling it theirs. That's going to take some time.. We are 5-2 right now and while the Ravens still have a lot of work to do.. That's not a bad position to be in. We have holes.. but so did the Giants last year and so did the Patriots. I'm pretty sure EVERYONE wrote off the Giants last year and look what happened. They had guys come on strong at the right time. You need to stop being so negative and appreciate what the Ravens have put on the field for you the last 4+ years.. which is a quality football team that is exciting to pull for and competes. No, they haven't made it to a Super Bowl yet but that doesn't mean we should give up on them. Good thing the guys in the locker room don't give up like some of you fans do or we'd be staring at another Cleveland Browns.
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Thank you positive. We need that, and your right.

[Purple Punishment]

im not going to direct this to the op

Whomever thinks KO is a loss is a moron. guy is playing very well and missing him showed today.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1350882192' post='1199848']
im not going to direct this to the op

Whomever thinks KO is a loss is a moron. guy is playing very well and missing him showed today.
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True there, he just expects every player to be a star. That's all.

[Purple Punishment]

He should know, we are the ONLY team in the past 4 years to draft so low each season. We will also make the playoffs again this season. I dont think it is personnel. Its the schemes.....

Pees scheme flat out sucks. Rush 4 and drop in coverage and let the QB pick us apart like a crumb cake

[H8R]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1350853891' post='1198550']
What I will say is this. Oz will make his money this off season. We need to hit, and hit and hit this draft. We have a few glaring needs
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Ed, gone. McKinney gone. Boldin gone. Ayanbadejo gone. Birk gone. Ngata, restructure. Oher, right tackle only. Find a LT in the draft.

[H8R]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1350883807' post='1199880']
He should know, we are the ONLY team in the past 4 years to draft so low each season. We will also make the playoffs again this season. I dont think it is personnel. Its the schemes.....

Pees scheme flat out sucks. Rush 4 and drop in coverage and let the QB pick us apart like a crumb cake
[/quote]

What's the sense in sending 5 or more if they still can't get there? How about something with a little deception. I saw him send 24 on a corner blitz , 15 seconds before the ball was snapped...

[ravensfan160]

I did a similar thing and looked back at each of the past four drafts even before yesterdays game. I too think our drafts have been sub par recently but I can't complain about any of the picks. I loved the Kruger, Cody, and Kindle picks as did a lot of other people. Although Oher isn't elite as bad as our o-line has been can you imagine how bad they would be without him?

Ultimately, I looked back at previous drafts not for who we took but who we could have taken instead and I don't see a whole lot. The two that stood out was Clay Matthews instead of Oher and I believe the Dallas CB Carr was a 5th round pick we could have had but he is with Dallas because his rookie contract expired so there is no guarantee he would still be here anyway.

I guess what I'm saying is while our drafts haven't been spectacular that is the price of continued success. We haven't sniffed the middle of the first round since we drafted Flacco.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1350909884' post='1200014']
Ed, gone. McKinney gone. Boldin gone. Ayanbadejo gone. Birk gone. Ngata, restructure. Oher, right tackle only. Find a LT in the draft.
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I love how everyone thinks there's LTs in the draft. There might be 3 LTs who were not taken in the top 20. If we were 2-5 I'd say LT definitely. But seeing as how we are probably going to be in the bottom of the draft, again, the best we'd be looking at would be an average LT. Just like Oher. Who everyone would hate, just like Oher.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1350912101' post='1200040']
I love how everyone thinks there's LTs in the draft. There might be 3 LTs who were not taken in the top 20. If we were 2-5 I'd say LT definitely. But seeing as how we are probably going to be in the bottom of the draft, again, the best we'd be looking at would be an average LT. Just like Oher. Who everyone would hate, just like Oher.
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That sort of goes along with what I was saying. We've been picking at the bottom of the first round for 4 straight years now and it's beginning to show.