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[nextgen_RavensFan]

The great Oz thread...

So lets look at the great Oz and his picks since 2009 shall we and compare them to what we have lost. Lets see how great Ozzie is. This should be fun huh..

In 2009 we get the following:
Michael Oher: Loss
Paul Kruger: Loss
Ladarius Webb: awesome
Jason Phillips: Loss
Davon Drew: Loss
Cedric Peerman: Loss

! out of 6 aint bad right, LMAO

2010
sergio kindle: Loss
terrance cody: Loss
ed dickson: Loss drops to many passes
dennis pitta: good
david reed: Loss
arthur jones: Loss
ramon harewood: so so

2 out of 7 aint bad

2011

Jimmy smith: Loss so far
torrey smith: excellent
Jah Reid: Loss
Tandon Doss: Good
Cjykie Brown: unknown
Pernell Mcphee: OK
Tyrod Taylor: Unknown
Anthony Allen: Unfinished project

4 out of 7 aint bad

2012
Courtney Upshaw: unknown
Kelechi Osemele: so far a loss
Bernard Pierce: Loss
Gino Gradkowski: Unknown
Christian Thompson: Loss
Asa Jackson: unknown
Tommy Streeter: Loss
Deangelo Tyson: Loss

I am not seeing the Oz's magic here for defensive players ? He had 2 very good drafts which i can only assume was luck now that i hav etracked his record from 2009 until now. How many defensive guys in this list actually are seeing playing time today on our team ? Yup, you now see the same thing i see. Oz was just lucky and the trust was given in hopes and faith. He is no wizard, he is or was just lucky.

He trades down to much, he gambles to save some money and yet here we are still in the hole and will need to scrape to be able to afford our QB next year and that is without improving our already terrible defense.

Sure we will be able to throw the ball but we will not be able to stop any defense from beating flacco senseless. What a wizard huh. I lost all respect for the Oz.

We might as well put names in a hat and draw them, he does not know any more then me or you. It might sting but it is the truth. In Oz we should not trust.

I could go back even further but it just gets worse and wanted to be somewhat up beat but lets just say your trust is misguided friends.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1350851189' post='1198331']
The great Oz thread...

So lets look at the great Oz and his picks since 2009 shall we and compare them to what we have lost. Lets see how great Ozzie is. This should be fun huh..

In 2009 we get the following:
Michael Oher: Solid
Paul Kruger: Loss
Ladarius Webb: awesome
Jason Phillips: Loss
Davon Drew: Loss
Cedric Peerman: Loss

! out of 6 aint bad right, LMAO

2010
sergio kindle: Loss
terrance cody: Decent
ed dickson: Loss drops to many passes
dennis pitta: great
david reed: Loss
arthur jones: Loss
ramon harewood: so so

2 out of 7 aint bad

2011

Jimmy smith: Two Bad Games
torrey smith: excellent
Jah Reid: TBD
Tandon Doss: Good
Cjykie Brown: unknown
Pernell Mcphee: OK
Tyrod Taylor: Unknown
Anthony Allen: Unfinished project

4 out of 7 aint bad

2012
Courtney Upshaw: unknown
Kelechi Osemele: TBD
Bernard Pierce: TBD
Gino Gradkowski: Unknown
Christian Thompson: TBD
Asa Jackson: unknown
Tommy Streeter: TBD
Deangelo Tyson: TBD

I am not seeing the Oz's magic here for defensive players ? He had 2 very good drafts which i can only assume was luck now that i hav etracked his record from 2009 until now. How many defensive guys in this list actually are seeing playing time today on our team ? Yup, you now see the same thing i see. Oz was just lucky and the trust was given in hopes and faith. He is no wizard, he is or was just lucky.

He trades down to much, he gambles to save some money and yet here we are still in the hole and will need to scrape to be able to afford our QB next year and that is without improving our already terrible defense.

Sure we will be able to throw the ball but we will not be able to stop any defense from beating flacco senseless. What a wizard huh. I lost all respect for the Oz.

We might as well put names in a hat and draw them, he does not know any more then me or you. It might sting but it is the truth. In Oz we should not trust.

I could go back even further but it just gets worse and wanted to be somewhat up beat but lets just say your trust is misguided friends.
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Shut this down before I go nuclear please. I fixed it to what it truly is.

[VA_Fan]

I think the major problem we face during draft time is that we are too good of a team. We go so far in the post season, we always seem to get our picks at the end of the first round where most of the play makers are gone. Anything after the first round is a crap shoot...some turn out...some don't. So do we want to go back to a losing team with great picks or keep winning and hoping to luck out with the way we have been doing it the last four years?.

[bravensfan52]

How is KO a loss?

[bravensfan52]

How is KO a loss?

[berad]

I bet this would look a lot different if it wasn't posted minutes after a blowout LOL

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1350851718' post='1198375']
I bet this would look a lot different if it wasn't posted minutes after a blowout LOL
[/quote]
This thread imo is pointless. The only real bust we have had is Sergio.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Simple concept guys you dont like what someone post, dont read it or reply! Plain and simple.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

Mr [b]Irrelevant no need to fix it. I grabbed the info from NFL.com and which players am i wrong with ? The Oz's pics have been horrible on defense and to say they did not see this coming would be a joke. To let top players go and expect "the next man up" crap to magically bring up the next pro bowl player is just crazy. We have had very few defensive players come in and play like a raven should. Or else why do we have the situation we are in right now. If it were not fur Suggs we would not even have a decent guy to cover the edge or pass rush. But i guess Cody, Kruger and company are just fine right ?[/b]

[b]We have picked great on offense but without a line to protect Joe we cannot even get a pass off.[/b]

[b]Where is that great defensive player after dropping back in the draft time in time again ?[/b]

[b]Who is that guy who can actually tackle ? Havent seen him have you ?[/b]

[b]So where am i wrong and ahead of time thank you for taking the time to correct me.[/b]

[flynismo]

Where were you with this drivel the last 6 weeks?

Or the last four years when we have been the only team in the league to make it to the postseason every single season?

[nextgen_RavensFan]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1350851787' post='1198382']
This thread imo is pointless. The only real bust we have had is Sergio.
[/quote]

Cody is a Gem buddy thanks for pointing that out and Kruger what a game changer he is..

[nextgen_RavensFan]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1350852213' post='1198413']
Where were you with this drivel the last 6 weeks?

Or the last four years when we have been the only team in the league to make it to the postseason every single season?
[/quote]

I was here, i tried to just sit back and enjoy the game and even apologized for my critical judgmental attitude. But wow to the game. I do not see a play off team and yet some folks still think Superbowl.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1350852220' post='1198414']
Cody is a Gem buddy thanks for pointing that out and Kruger what a game changer he is..
[/quote]
Cody is a run stuffer, and has been better than Kemo. I kept Kruger

[arnie_uk]

Ha ha ha. God you made me laugh

[Ravensfan23]

Ozzie sucks and the Ravens have been to the playoffs 4 striaght years, 5-2 this and regradless of what happens in other games today will have the 2nd best record in the AFC.

I'll take it.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1350852411' post='1198434']
Ha ha ha. God you made me laugh
[/quote]
Yep, me too lol.

[SecretAgentMan]

You expect [b]all[/b] of our players to be stars. It doesnt work that way. Kruger is a solid LB, and Cody is a solid DT. Not game changers, but important, was JJ a game changer, no just a solid LB.

[flynismo]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1350852322' post='1198423']But wow to the game. I do not see a play off team and yet some folks still think Superbowl.
[/quote]

i wonder if texans fans said the same thing last week.

[ratedr]

In what world are KO and Pierce losses?

[Neil]

Kruger has good games and bad games.

So wait, it anyone who isn't Suggs, Ngata, Reed, Webb or Lewis a bust? If that's your criteria, you're going to be very unfulfilled in your fandom.

[rlh445]

Meh, horrible game. You wanna question Oz, fine with me but do it at a later date..emotions running high right now!

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1350853111' post='1198484']
i wonder if texans fans said the same thing last week.
[/quote]
They did, he is just a negative nelly, we lose, the talking heads come out. Youve been on here longer than me, how have you not figured that out yet, and Jimmy did not cover [b]AJ (insert as many possible curse words one can fit into a gramatically correct sentence here, and yes I went there lol) [/b]

[AsianRice]

OP just coming out of the cave huh?

[Npane171]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1350852052' post='1198399']
Simple concept guys you dont like what someone post, dont read it or reply! Plain and simple.
[/quote]

It's not simple for the "Burger Kings"; they like it their way, ruling with an iron finger punching negs like it's a real power. Let 'em. Fans should be able to vent; the forum is more than just praise and opinions. When your team plays like that, you're going to get criticized. I agree with what you say.

[H8R]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1350852052' post='1198399']
Simple concept guys you dont like what someone post, dont read it or reply! Plain and simple.
[/quote]

No, it's a message board... if you don't like it, comment... usually with something to lend to you opinion.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

Out of our next 9 games how many do you have us winning friends ? I have us winning 5 and that leaves us at 10-6 and is that a play off team yes but a Super Bowl team, no way. And i was being kind with the Redskins and Raiders. The Skins have a QB that can throw and we all know how that ends. I am all for being a fan but we need some changes if we are talking Super Bowl. I do think that the Texans will meet us again in the Play offs if we make it that far and what do you see changing between now and then ?

Williams learns to cover, Cody somehow gets off of a block. We stop the run somehow ? Smith stops biting on the receivers first move ? The O'line could somehow stop the pressure and save Joe.

He might want to get out now before he ends up with a career ending injury due to the offensive line.. LOL Seriously we need help guys and it is not in just one area it is an offensive, defensive mess out there and it cannot be fixed by new coachs etc. We need TALENT !!

[arnie_uk]

What I will say is this. Oz will make his money this off season. We need to hit, and hit and hit this draft. We have a few glaring needs

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1350853802' post='1198545']
Out of our next 9 games how many do you have us winning friends ? I have us winning 5 and that leaves us at 10-6 and is that a play off team yes but a Super Bowl team, no way. And i was being kind with the Redskins and Raiders. The Skins have a QB that can throw and we all know how that ends. I am all for being a fan but we need some changes if we are talking Super Bowl. I do think that the Texans will meet us again in the Play offs if we make it that far and what do you see changing between now and then ?

Williams learns to cover, Cody somehow gets off of a block. We stop the run somehow ? Smith stops biting on the receivers first move ? The O'line could somehow stop the pressure and save Joe.

He might want to get out now before he ends up with a career ending injury due to the offensive line.. LOL Seriously we need help guys and it is not in just one area it is an offensive, defensive mess out there and it cannot be fixed by new coachs etc. [b]We need TALENT !![/b]
[/quote]
Uh, Im gonna be the nice one here mr negative.
Cody is a pure run stuffer, and those a hard to come by. His job is to [b]try[/b] to stop the run, and be there for extra support when the LB comes along. Cody is good. I agree with Jimmy, but there still is time. The O-Line was playing the best defense in the nfl, they would have done that to almost anyone, Aaron got sacked a lot last week. As for the talent thing
At MLB I agree
I want us to draft Teo or pick up DJohnson.
FS, we drafted one.
DE, is a glaring need, and can be solved in the draft.]
Our team is filled with talent everywhere. My point being, quit being negative.

[RavenFan28105]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1350853802' post='1198545']

Williams learns to cover, Cody somehow gets off of a block. [b]We stop the run somehow ?[/b] Smith stops biting on the receivers first move ? The O'line could somehow stop the pressure and save Joe.


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If you ask me, I thought we handled the run pretty darn good against one of the best RB's in the league compared to the past few games....Go to sleep and wake up and you'll feel better

[nextgen_RavensFan]

See, why cannot the Ravens show the same fire the fans do ? I posted a simple post and am getting lit up. Yet the team we fight for shows none of the fire to win. Williams could care less as he shows he does not want to be here by refusing a new contract. Kruger just is lost still. Cody or Mnt Cody is just that a big object that does not move except for backwards. Smith is like a fish who bites on the first move and gets burnt. Oher who is not fast enough to react to any defensive player unless he moves early (most of the time). Poor Flacco has no time to complete a pass and when he does the defenders are so close they knock it down.

Rice is just running to get away from the crowd is the bright spot. We want a hurry up offense and i do not know why. Hurry up means score fast and get the defense back onthe field and with our defense who wants that right..

You have to admit it, we need help in the worst way and with next years cap issues already looming where is the help coming from ? The Oz's draft picks ?