Texans Game General Comments - Post Game

[Purple_ICE 81]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1350920167' post='1200260']
As for Burfict, a few games is far from proving anything. And, I stand by my comment that he is complete trash and a waste of a pick.
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1350919692' post='1200235']
I wanted the team to take a flier on Burfict. Too bad we didn't. He's playing great, he is staying out of trouble (for now) and we could've used him. 15 Tackles last night against Pitt? Sign me up.
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Nahh Burfict still sucks, linebackers who start get tackles its a given he looked terrible in coverage and was amongst a defense that allowed a scrubby rb to dominate them for 122 yards on the ground. And I guaruntee he still has a lazy attitude when it comes to practice, training, etc.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1350848631' post='1198047']
yes even in the 3rd quarter i can give this games review. Most folks look ahead for future investments but the Ravens never saw the Defense falling this far. Oh wait, in Oz we trust right ? First we get rid of our offensive guys like heap but recover so yest lets do the same thing on the defense. Let us let guys like JJ just walk. After all in Ozzie we trust. That motto was great 5-6 years ago but lets look at his choices on defense the last FEW years. Kindle, Cody, Smith. What a crew huh.
Let us just say Oz is in a slump or was he lucky. Our defense is terrible. We let JJ walk and that was a smart move. We have no way to stop anybosy and the offense lacks any consistency at all. But yes we are headed to a super bowl and all is well in Ravens Town.

We got our asses kicked by houston who in all likely hood is an actual superbowl caliber team. We on the other hand will be lucky to reach the play offs in the back door. I know i will get a lot of negative votes but hey atleast i am speaking the truth and not living in a fantasy.

Our Defense sucks and could not stop the Terrapins from scoring. Our offensive line has more holes then a strainer. I do not know how else to say it but at 5-2 we ought to feel lucky just to be here. If it were not for other teams mistakes we would be 2-5 and i welcome all who dispute it.

It is not Flaccos fault as he cannot control what the offensive line should be stopping (our O'line sucks). and our defense who could not stop a college team in the best of times. We are at a all time low and as soon as the owner and coachs realize itr the better off we will be.

We do not have the talent to survive in the NFL and as the teams watch our films we will become more vulnerable. Our defense is very bush league and our offensive line is less then college grade.

But Eric and Ozzie did not see this coming, my @ss. They just hope we bought into the fact that ozzie was a great talent finder which he is not. He had 2 lucky drafts and that is it.

I am so sick of wishing for the impossible. I tried to look pn the bright side but damn where is the bright side ? We played the best and they beat our tails up and down the field. We are not Super Bowl contenders, we ar enot play off contenders we should just be very happy we are where we are at.

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There is no need to blame Ozzie. Some players didn't turn out to live up to the hype like J. Smith and Cody, but they are both good players. Every year we have new Defensive Coordinator and we expect same results.
Ravens defense gave up 2,800 yads in first 7 games this season, average of 400 yds per game. This average is the highest in Ravens history since 1996, when Ray Lewis was a rookie.
We are getting RUN OVER! After 2 previous games when our defense allowed over 200 yds rushing, Dean Peas promised improvements. Well, Texans ran for 181 yds, I guess that's improving, right? It also means, we are loosing the battle of time posession very badly.
So, the best move to make in this Bye Week, is to replace the Defensive Coordinator.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1350917081' post='1200149']
How do you mask poor tackling? Or your CBs constantly being burned by their mental errors? Or a front seven that physically cannot do their individual jobs? I mean really, if you show me a DC who can do that, his name must start with a J and rhyme with Cheesus.

In regard to playing to their strength, I'll use one of my favorite prospects as an example -- The Jimmy.
Everyone here was crying about how we should be using him and Cary in man more (I dont know why, because they were already doing that a lot, but I digress...).

Now, think back to those big plays Jimmy gave up. They all came on man coverage.
Same with Cary.

If man is their strength, and they are still getting whooped, and when we drop to zone, and we have zero pass rush, it leaves Pees in a no win situation
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He got burned on a double move in zone. Again.

We were so high on Jimmy

[Purple Punishment]

There's no panic necessary. We have one of the best records in football right now.

The only thing that does scare me is how the Jets looked leaps and bounds better against the Texans than we did

[flynismo]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1350924575' post='1200385']
He got burned on a double move in zone. Again.

We were so high on Jimmy
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My point exactly. We put him in man, he gets burned. We put him in zone he gets burned. Same with Cary. How do we blame Pees for that? Webb doesn't have these problems.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1350924685' post='1200388']
There's no panic necessary. We have one of the best records in football right now.

[b]The only thing that does scare me is how the Jets looked leaps and bounds better against the Texans than we did[/b]
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Its hard to compare that game to game. Byt the fact that the Jets had to play them at home while we had to play them on the road (especially after an embarrassing loss for them) played a huge part.

[PuRock]

What was the deal with all the attempted screen passes & short passes to the right especially since they kept getting batted down (almost picked off). The Texans tweaked their game plan to overload our right side and just had guys waiting for Joe to throw.

[b]Also, is somebody telling Joe on the sideline that he's invisible or something? Yes the DL man can see you! And no you can't throw a ball through him![/b]

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1350924951' post='1200395']
What was the deal with all the attempted screen passes & short passes to the right especially since they kept getting batted down (almost picked off). The Texans tweaked their game plan to overload our right side and just had guys waiting for Joe to throw.

[b]Also, is somebody telling Joe on the sideline that he's invisible or something? Yes the DL man can see you! And no you can't throw a ball through him![/b]
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I was thinking the same thing. A few designed roll outs to the left or that end around Cam loves, to the left might have helped with that a bit but we just kept on trying to chuck the ball through their lineman's hands.

[omar586]

i think what we have in baltimore is bad luck with coaches, they're terrible, because of :[list=1]
[*]no in game adjustments
[*]allergic the running game,
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[Bltravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1350924761' post='1200391']
My point exactly. We put him in man, he gets burned. We put him in zone he gets burned. Same with Cary. How do we blame Pees for that? Webb doesn't have these problems.
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Press man. The kid is a press man corner and god only knows why he only plays about 15% of his snaps in press man. Work in off coverage in practice, don't make the kid play 7 yards off the ball constantly. Hell even when we get up in receivers faces we still give them a clean get off.
You put your players in the best situation for them to succeed. If that means JSmith plays press man 80% of the time then do it. There are such things as combo coverages. Even in zones let him jam a WR and disrupt [i]some[/i] of the offenses timing.

[MTRavensFan]

Little off-topic here, aren't we guys?
Mods?
Can we channel this to the Jimmy Smith thread? or the Pees thread? or anywhere but here?

It ain't no beauty contest, but the Sizzle sure looked beautiful to me yesterday.
Let's hope his determination and grit can inspire those who obviously have a lot of work to do.

[757RavensFan]

I wasn't able to watch the game, was Ray Lewis on the sidelines?

[admartian]

[quote name='Nitrofish' timestamp='1350903027' post='1199962']
Hey guys... come on this is not what I expect to hear from Ravens fans. These are the same kind of posts on the Texans board after the humiliating loss to the Packers, yet you see what happened this week.

You win together and you lose together. Finger pointing will not get you anywhere except divided. I realize that message boards do not play the games, but fan support is a big deal on players minds IMHO and even though they most likely do not directly read these posts, they trickle into allot of water coller discussions, TV shows and eventually into ears of the players.

You guys are better than this and I for one do not believe this is the end for the Ravens.

Having said that... I must say I was puzzled that Rice was not fed the ball, which I fully expected, so there may be something to this idea that someone is trying to prove Flacco is an elite QB instead of playing to your teams strengths. The no huddle is not the Ravens team identity. Ball control, is, or at least should be. When the no huddle is going great it does great things, but when it is not doing so great, Ravens struggle to control the ball and the clock.

I think the mistake was at the coaches level who wanted to try to duplicate what Greenbay did to Houston, and let's be honest. No matter which side of the Joe Flacco argument you stand on... FLACCO IS NO RODGERS! and never will be so why try to force that?

Keep your heads up guys... plenty of season to go.
[/quote]Main difference? You have GOOD coaches that evidently make adjustments and light a fire under the team.

[size=7][b][u]WE.DO.NOT[/u][/b][/size]

[arnie_uk]

Oline and dline... Maybe we've took it for granted over the years because its something we've always been good at, in the trenches. But it's really coming to light now. It's truly where the are is won, especially with cam not helping the oline out.

If we signed manning in the offseason. I think he'd be on ir again by now, I honestly do.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1350921404' post='1200311']
For Vontaze,he had 7 straight games with at least 7 tackles on every game. I'd say Burfict is a proven commodity. For a 4th/5th/undrafted UFA? That wouldve been worth every penny of it.
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It's a good thing you edited your post and removed the false stat about Burfict having 7 sacks.

I guess now I'll just point out the fact that Burfict has four games with 7+ tackles, not the seven consecutive games that you claimed.

Hardly a proven commidty, even with the embellished statistics.

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1350935610' post='1200696']
I wasn't able to watch the game, was Ray Lewis on the sidelines?
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No, he's recovering from surgery and did not travel with the team.

[The Raven]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1350917081' post='1200149']
How do you mask poor tackling? Or your CBs constantly being burned by their mental errors? Or a front seven that physically cannot do their individual jobs? I mean really, if you show me a DC who can do that, his name must start with a J and rhyme with Cheesus.

In regard to playing to their strength, I'll use one of my favorite prospects as an example -- The Jimmy.
Everyone here was crying about how we should be using him and Cary in man more (I dont know why, because they were already doing that a lot, but I digress...).

Now, think back to those big plays Jimmy gave up. They all came on man coverage.
Same with Cary.

If man is their strength, and they are still getting whooped, and when we drop to zone, and we have zero pass rush, it leaves Pees in a no win situation
[/quote]

Everything you said is correct. I want to see more press because by playing off so much we give up the easy routes like slants and hooks. This, combined with their sheer inability to tackle or break up the pass allows the opposing offense to control the clock and and get first downs. You are still right about them getting beat in man though. I don't think there's a way to win with this. Our corners suck.

The lack of pass rush could be masked, or at least slightly improved by running a stunt or two. Nothing big or flashy.

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1350919347' post='1200220']
We are ranked 2nd dead last in all category in defense. In letting rush allowed, and in passing.

We made a historic worst +400 total yards allowed in all 5 consecutive games (Eagles, Chiefs, Patriots, Cowboys, Texans)

Our ball in position ratio to an opponent is 2:1 for 3 consecutive games in average(KC had ball in position for 34minutes, Cowboys had ball in position for 42 minutes, Texans had ball in position for 47minutes). This basically mean our defense is forced to stay on field.

We basically have the same core of the defense excluding Jarret Johnson & Cory Redding, yet the top 6 defense last year is making historic worst defense records in almost all category.

To think that Dean Pees is has been doing a 'good job' so far

quoting you:

Is absolutely ridiculous.


By the way you asked me the same thing last year to 'prove you wrong' when I said Billy Cundiff was bad last year, and he was.

You also asked me to prove why Ravens should ever draft Vontaze Burfict in 4th/5th round in bc in your opinon his a 'complete trash and a waste of a pick', which it turns out he is just exactly the kind of player we need right now in our defense that couldve been picked up in undrafted agency. But homers like yourself thought kept wailing otherwise.



That enough for you?
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Don't act like you had supreme insight into Vontaze's career. The odds of him growing up and becoming a good player were completely against him. The fact that he is playing well right now is completely surprising. You know, there were 30 other teams that didn't sign him, and for good reason. The Bengals took a flier on a risky player, got lucky, and now they look like geniuses.

[UMDan]

I really don't think our problems are all that complex, which is why I do not understand how they haven't been addressed by people whose job it is to fix these problems.

Defense is allowing too much rushing and corners are not sufficient: establish a better pass rush. If they cannot get the ball down the field, our corner play won't matter quite as much. With Suggs back and Ngata having time to heal, we do have personnel to do that. Maybe a shift in defensive scheme could help with the pass rush. Pees knows there is a problem there.

Offense is inconsistent on the road: This isn't a new problem. The reasoning behind this is incredibly obvious to. Here's how our road games almost always go... we get behind early, we abandon the run, Joe throws picks or just inaccurate throws, he gets flustered, gets sacked, and we are completely stagnant. Ray Rice needs to get the ball! We cannot give up so quickly because we're behind by one touchdown. I can understand throwing the ball when we're down by three scores, but come on. We just paid Ray Rice a lot of money and he's one of the best RBs in the league. [b]There's NO excuse for throwing the ball on every single second and short situation! [/b]We cannot be so quick to give up on him. Also, play action! It actually works, we've seen it time and time again!

I hope Harbaugh can have the balls to tell the OC and DC what needs to be done. I feel like he gives them too much control sometimes.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

Wow only 5 pages of posts here. I guess the less said the better. Was a team failure for sure. I do not know why i went on a rant about the Oz but our Defense has been lacking now for this entire season and has been since we let some crucial players go. I know we all thought Upshaw would take JJ's place but then Suggs got hurt.

But as far as kindle, cody and company we need to come to the conclusion that the test was a fail and move on.

On the upside we have a Bye week and Suggs is back. Now we can watch Upshaw develop as a LB and next year try to grab a 2nd or 3rd round CB and Dline help to replace Cody. Ngata can not keep this pace up as he is already hurting.

[ravensfolife]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1350851466' post='1198350']
and as I said, I agree, Williams is done.
[/quote]He gave up the only sack to ware last week too, after oher shut him down.

[RAVEN63]

[i]Our identity is changing from a run the ball and stop the run to a pass first and stop the pass.[/i]
[i]Wich is a crappy idea.[/i]
[i]A pig is a pig a apple is a apple and a Raven is a Raven.[/i]
[i]Stop the run and run the ball.That is the Raven footbal I love.[/i]
[i]Cam cameron should go back to running the ball.So we need phisical offensive line .(draft them)[/i]
[i] Defence needs Phisycal d lineand physical linebackers VONTAZE BURFICT YES.[/i]
[i]I was pissed they let him go.He should be a raven.[/i]
[i]Im seeing this team loose the identy I loved .The only players that still play phisical are getting older or hurt.cept Pollard and Gnata[/i]. Reed.
Oh, I could tell we were in trouble when I saw Flacco looking like a deer in headlights before the game.Scared.

[admartian]

[quote name='RAVEN63' timestamp='1350944933' post='1200962']
[i]Our identity is changing from a run the ball and stop the run to a pass first and stop the pass.[/i]
[i]Wich is a crappy idea.[/i]
[i]A pig is a pig a apple is a apple and a Raven is a Raven.[/i]
[i]Stop the run and run the ball.That is the Raven footbal I love.[/i]
[i]Cam cameron should go back to running the ball.So we need phisical offensive line .(draft them)[/i]
[i]Defence needs Phisycal d lineand physical linebackers VONTAZE BURFICT YES.[/i]
[i]I was pissed they let him go.He should be a raven.[/i]
[i]Im seeing this team loose the identy I loved .The only players that still play phisical are getting older or hurt.cept Pollard and Gnata[/i]. Reed.
Oh, I could tell we were in trouble when I saw Flacco looking like a deer in headlights before the game.Scared.
[/quote]First drive/first quarter for the O was fine. Then Cam got ahead of himself....

[The Raven]

[quote name='RAVEN63' timestamp='1350944933' post='1200962']
[i]Our identity is changing from a run the ball and stop the run to a pass first and stop the pass.[/i]
[i]Wich is a crappy idea.[/i]
[i]A pig is a pig a apple is a apple and a Raven is a Raven.[/i]
[i]Stop the run and run the ball.That is the Raven footbal I love.[/i]
[i]Cam cameron should go back to running the ball.So we need phisical offensive line .(draft them)[/i]
[i]Defence needs Phisycal d lineand physical linebackers VONTAZE BURFICT YES.[/i]
[i]I was pissed they let him go.He should be a raven.[/i]
[i]Im seeing this team loose the identy I loved .The only players that still play phisical are getting older or hurt.cept Pollard and Gnata[/i]. Reed.
Oh, I could tell we were in trouble when I saw Flacco looking like a deer in headlights before the game.Scared.
[/quote]

We have a very physical offensive line. Physicality is not the issue! The problem is their physicality is not being used by our inept offensive coordinator who forgot to run the ball on Sunday.

I'm not even going to make a remark on the "deer in headlights" comment.

[RAVEN63]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1350950099' post='1201063']
We have a very physical offensive line. Physicality is not the issue! The problem is their physicality is not being used by our inept offensive coordinator who forgot to run the ball on Sunday.

I'm not even going to make a remark on the "deer in headlights" comment.
[/quote]Letting d lineman bat down balls and not making them pay for it (like knoking them on their arses)
and giving up sacks and and a safty is not being physical.
Not stopping the run and hardly any sacks is not physical.
Yes,I do agree about the offensive co.

[Bltravens]

I'm loving this Gnata person who has made a couple appearances today.

[RAVEN63]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1350955971' post='1201172']
I'm loving this Gnata person who has made a couple appearances today.
[/quote]What?
oh
ngata
better?
do you have any grey poupon?
that is dijon

[The Raven]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1350919347' post='1200220']
We are ranked 2nd dead last in all category in defense. In letting rush allowed, and in passing.

We made a historic worst +400 total yards allowed in all 5 consecutive games (Eagles, Chiefs, Patriots, Cowboys, Texans)

Our ball in position ratio to an opponent is 2:1 for 3 consecutive games in average(KC had ball in position for 34minutes, Cowboys had ball in position for 42 minutes, Texans had ball in position for 47minutes). This basically mean our defense is forced to stay on field.

We basically have the same core of the defense excluding Jarret Johnson & Cory Redding, yet the top 6 defense last year is making historic worst defense records in almost all category.

To think that Dean Pees is has been doing a 'good job' so far

quoting you:

Is absolutely ridiculous.


By the way you asked me the same thing last year to 'prove you wrong' when I said Billy Cundiff was bad last year, and he was.

You also asked me to prove why Ravens should ever draft Vontaze Burfict in 4th/5th round in bc in your opinon his a 'complete trash and a waste of a pick', which it turns out he is just exactly the kind of player we need right now in our defense that couldve been picked up in undrafted agency. But homers like yourself thought kept wailing otherwise.



That enough for you?
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[url="https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/10/18/snapshot-run-stop-percentage-linebackers/"]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/10/18/snapshot-run-stop-percentage-linebackers/[/url]

Scroll down towards the bottom. There's an interesting little stat about Burfict down there.

[JEEPercreepermd]

Here's my observation from the game now that I've had a few days to digest it. The Oline lost that game for us. It wasn't the defense, it wasn't Flacco or the receivers, it was the Oline. We were up 3-0, the D forced them to punt and we got pinned down at our own 2. Flacco gets hit from behind before he could even get his feet set..safety. It all snowballed from there.

I remember another drive when we were actually moving it pretty well, Anquan had a catch or two and Pitta as well.. Then we give up back to back sacks to force us into a 50+ yd FG try.

We got the ball back at the end of the second half, with a chance to get right back into the game if we could score. Oher falls flat on his face, JJ Watt tips the pass, interception.

Their pick 6 on defense in the second half that really broke our backs was on..a tipped pass.

Everyone wants Ray Rice to be the centerpeice of the offense..and he should be. He's our biggest scoring threat on the field..but when the Oline can't push an empty stroller..no dice.

The score was lopsided, but it had little to do with their skill players trouncing our skill players like you'd think. Our big guys up front were playing like a bunch of pansies..and it MAKES ME SICK!!!!!

[-Truth-]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351016365' post='1201828']
[url="https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/10/18/snapshot-run-stop-percentage-linebackers/"]https://www.profootb...ge-linebackers/[/url]

Scroll down towards the bottom. There's an interesting little stat about Burfict down there.
[/quote]

If we are referring to PFF, I wouldn't hold it against him. According to them, Burfict has a grade of +3.1 overall, with positives in every facet. His highest graded facet is in run support. It's not mind-blowing, but it's still pretty solid.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351016365' post='1201828']
[url="https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/10/18/snapshot-run-stop-percentage-linebackers/"]https://www.profootb...ge-linebackers/[/url]

Scroll down towards the bottom. There's an interesting little stat about Burfict down there.
[/quote]

If we are referring to PFF, I wouldn't hold it against him. According to them, Burfict has a grade of +3.1 overall, with positives in every facet. His highest graded facet is in run support. It's not mind-blowing, but it's still pretty solid. Just a heads up.