Texans Game General Comments - Post Game

[nextgen_RavensFan]

I dunno if i would have started this thread LOL. I was so mad i vented and probably should have not. It just kills me that we fall so far in a short time. The Owners etc had to see this coming. We let go of talent and replace with 2nd,3rd and 4th rnd replacements and expect to compete, how can that be ?

We are lucky that the Patriots and a few others have been struggling or we could easily be 2-5

[nextgen_RavensFan]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350852523' post='1198441']
Has 5-2 ever felt so much like 2-5? For me, no, because I still feel like we're 5-2.

I had this as a loss, so even without the blow out nature of the loss, in the end the result is the same.

We got caught in the gauntlet of a team that not only wanted to atone for their loss on national TV last night, but who also wanted revenge for their 0-6 record against us.

The team has problems, but I believe they're fixable, because it mostly comes down to playcalling.

For offense at least, 2 things: 1) RUN THE BALL and 2) Start Harewood at LG.

For defense, it might be time to give Asa Jackson and Chykie Brown some time.

The loss was bad, but surely I'm not the only one who's not ready to jump off a bridge?
[/quote]

Buddy i do not think it is play calling, it is talent. Who on the field today has played at a high level, Williams, Smith, Pollard ? Friend we lack talent. Ngata is a pro bowler but he can be double teamed and then he still gets through. Cody is a wash. Kruger is a bust so far. Smith is just Smith, he bites at the receivers first move and gets beat. Williams is a mess. Reed cannot cover the entire field. Where is the bright spot besides Suggs return ?

[ratedr]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1350852922' post='1198473']
Buddy i do not think it is play calling, it is talent. Who on the field today has played at a high level, Williams, Smith, Pollard ? Friend we lack talent. Ngata is a pro bowler but he can be double teamed and then he still gets through. Cody is a wash. Kruger is a bust so far. Smith is just Smith, he bites at the receivers first move and gets beat. Williams is a mess. Reed cannot cover the entire field. Where is the bright spot besides Suggs return ?
[/quote]For the offense, I do think it's playcalling.

For the defense? A combination of both. Like I said, it might be time to give Brown or Jackson a shot.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

[quote name='michaelpnorton' timestamp='1350852024' post='1198395']
season ticket holder and driver of the bandwagon, and unfortunately know enough about football to be dangerous. signs are all there. all the hurry offense does is hurry up the time that our porous d has to spend on the field. love the ravens and still think we are one of the best teams in the league, but we need to go back to some smash mouth, run it down your throat type of football or we will see more of what happened today.
[/quote]

Great post and i agree. Keep that D off of the field. We have the tools. Leach, Rice and company. Lets end the Oher at LT and move him back to RT and keep Mckinnie at LT or is it a money thing and that is why he needed a pay cut ? Well we need him in, ask joe flaccos ribs and back.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1350853069' post='1198479']
For the offense, I do think it's playcalling.

For the defense? A combination of both. Like I said, it might be time to give Brown or Jackson a shot.
[/quote]
Yeah, what's the worse that's going to happen, people get open?

[SecretAgentMan]

@nextgen_Ravens fan, (Im not trying to do twitter ppl).
You seem to be negative, Im not trying to insult you man.
Please look on the positive, we are talented, just not playing to it. Ok, the only two people on the forum who can say it better than me are fly and arnie, and maybe JO. Can someone please help me make my point.
We as a team sucked today,
Cody isnt a bust
Smith is young, you cant expect him to be a star. CB is one of the hardest positions to play.
Kruger is a situational pass rusher.
I agree on Cary, cept he doenst excel in Zone.

[Alexir]

Defense was far from great but wow offense, wow. I try so hard to trust Flacco but it never works for me. Here comes the bye!

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1350853106' post='1198483']
Great post and i agree. Keep that D off of the field. We have the tools. Leach, Rice and company. Lets end the Oher at LT and move him back to RT and keep Mckinnie at LT or is it a money thing and that is why he needed a pay cut ? Well we need him in, ask joe flaccos ribs and back.
[/quote]
Oher didn't give up a hit really.

[Token]

At least Suggs came out healthy.

[berad]

I said this in the game thread but this was the worst loss in the Harbaugh era, easily...

Both the O and D stunk, ST was good but that doesn't matter much when the other two units are totally inept

We've got the bye for us to lick our wounds and find a way to clone Sizzle a few times

[berad]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1350853280' post='1198498']
Oher didn't give up a hit really.
[/quote]

He played as he usually does, inconsistently... that play where he tried to low-block but ended up watching two defenders in Flacco's grill (he barely got it off and was tipped) sticks out

[rlh445]

I hate when we get slammed right before a bye week because now I won't get to see our revenge game for two weeks! Of course, in my mind who cares..it's just the Browns.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1350852595' post='1198445']

Would you say 5 technique would be the biggest need? I think everyone loved Pernell McPhee so much we didn't realize how bad we needed the defense?

I'd say 5 technique and then nose.
[/quote]yea both of them, then a coverage linebacker. And probably a guard, or right tackle. I don't think harewood will be much but that's icky opinion. He needs to get back in there and see how he fares.

But left end, and nose tackle with out a doubt are our biggest needs.

I might even consider changing to 43 in the offseason. I dunno.

[Npane171]

I was at the game, and let me tell you...it was a brutal thing to watch. I haven't been that angry in a long time.

The playcalling was just horrendous. Again, we open up strong, marching down the field and can't finish the drive. Settle for a FG. Ok. Then, defense really gets the Texasn O off the field. Next thing you know there's a safety and the damn game is on a steady decline. It was a terrible, terrible thing to watch. And the fans....omg the fans...I'll need anger management for sure.

[AsianRice]

Suggs is still Suggs, beast as usual...

But isn't Harbs saying many times that the best man will hit the field? How come Bobby starting over Harewood when Harewood was actually outplaying him in passing down and running game?

Harbs said it's Bobby has more experiences? huh? experiences don't count when you stunk....

[quoth_the_raven_neverscore]

definitely got housed today, but there are a couple of positive things to be taken from this game:

a.) ravens have a bye week to recover, rest, and regain their focus. they're in the midst of a devastating injury situation that just continues to worsen so an extra week for the coaching staff and players to physically recover and scheme around these injuries should (in theory) help.

b.) suggs hasn't played football since january and he was a factor in this game. our defence can only get better from here. unless reed and/or ngata and/or pollard have injuries. then it won't.


that is all.

[montrealfan]

This is Cliche but football is won in the trenches

We are Weak on The DL
Just average on OL

Our Front Seven isn t not what it used to be , let s just face it and for people who aren t ready to hit the panic button , you must be hiding under our fake 5-2 record.

There are a handfull of teams that are 4-3 that are playing much more sound fottball than we are

We are really not PLAYING TO OUR STRENGTHS

The last time we dominated teams is when we unleashed our backfield on them

It seems that just because Flacco is in a contract year , we have to change our identity , WE ARE , UNTIL WE DRAFT OTHERWISE , A RUN AND GRIND TEAM .

Every single guy on the OL is a better run blcker than a pass blocker , let s quit the Air Corriel Wanna Be s and get back to who we are , if it that doesn t sit well with Flacco , then someone needs to remind him that he s just an employee , and like any other job , you are told what to do , when i am asked to run a Profitability report for the end of the week , i don t audible from it and give it a week later

His attitude when micced on the bench last week and today isn t the attitude of a grateful average Qb that those same players on D are the reason behind his "great" record , it seems like he hasn t learned how to not throw teammates under the Bus like 52 , which is something the General has done with offensive players since being drafted.

So tired of the same inconsistency over the years , let s flat out be honest that the Defense never recovered from Ryan s departure because his strenghts was to use players to their best abilities to make plays , Jameel McClain was making more plays as a rookie undrafted under Rex then he s been making for the last 3 years combined , a technique that our Dear Cam Cameron should be using taking notes of ... The only time the no huddle crap has worked was Week 1 because no one has seen it until then , since it s been either a very sloppy or inefficient no hurry up standing offense .

And for those who are criticizing Ozzie for his drafts .. Come on now , he find Great Prospects nearly every year , beside Clarence Brooks or CB like tehy call him , our whole coaching tree is poor , everytime someone leaves , he takes valuable assistants with him , from Rex with Mike Pettine to Chuck Pagano with Raouf , our coaches aren t very good at decisions making on the fly, the poor haltime adjusments over the years along with some questionnable clock management are the daring proof , and examples can be easily found

[Bravens292]

i doubt we'd be in the top 15 even with a fully healthy defense. There are so many people on this D playing bad football that a healthy team wouldn't change that much. As it stands my guess is we are in the bottom 3 in defense right now. The steelers are banged up as well but they didn't have a dropoff anywhere close to where we are and they're the oldest D in the league!!

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1350853701' post='1198534']
yea both of them, then a coverage linebacker. And probably a guard, or right tackle. I don't think harewood will be much but that's icky opinion. He needs to get back in there and see how he fares.

But left end, and nose tackle with out a doubt are our biggest needs.

I might even consider changing to 43 in the offseason. I dunno.
[/quote]
We don't really have 4-3 backers. We would need like 6 new new player to pull that out. Besides we don't really have 4-3 DL anyway. Really if we get some run stuffers in free agency, which is the good news they can be found there, they should be fine. But I have half a mind to spend 7 rounds on defense. We have five starting olinemen, which is better than our d.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='montrealfan' timestamp='1350854615' post='1198588']
This is Cliche but football is won in the trenches

We are Weak on The DL
Just average on OL

Our Front Seven isn t not what it used to be , let s just face it and for people who aren t ready to hit the panic button , you must be hiding under our fake 5-2 record.

There are a handfull of teams that are 4-3 that are playing much more sound fottball than we are

[u][b]We are really not PLAYING TO OUR STRENGTHS

The last time we dominated teams is when we unleashed our backfield on them[/b][/u]

It seems that just because Flacco is in a contract year , [u][b]we have to change our identity , WE ARE , UNTIL WE DRAFT OTHERWISE , A RUN AND GRIND TEAM .[/b][/u]

Every single guy on the OL is a better run blcker than a pass blocker , [u][b]let s quit the Air Corriel Wanna Be s and get back to who we are [/b][/u], if it that doesn t sit well with Flacco , then someone needs to remind him that he s just an employee , and like any other job , you are told what to do , when i am asked to run a Profitability report for the end of the week , i don t audible from it and give it a week later

His attitude when micced on the bench last week and today isn t the attitude of a grateful average Qb that those same players on D are the reason behind his "great" record , it seems like he hasn t learned how to not throw teammates under the Bus like 52 , which is something the General has done with offensive players since being drafted.

[u][b]So tired of the same inconsistency over the years[/b][/u] , let s flat out be honest that the Defense never recovered from Ryan s departure because his strenghts was to use players to their best abilities to make plays , Jameel McClain was making more plays as a rookie undrafted under Rex then he s been making for the last 3 years combined , a technique that our Dear Cam Cameron should be using taking notes of ... The only time the no huddle crap has worked was Week 1 because no one has seen it until then , since it s been either a very sloppy or inefficient no hurry up standing offense .

And for those who are criticizing Ozzie for his drafts .. Come on now , he find Great Prospects nearly every year , beside Clarence Brooks or CB like tehy call him , our whole coaching tree is poor , everytime someone leaves , he takes valuable assistants with him , from Rex with Mike Pettine to Chuck Pagano with Raouf , our coaches aren t very good at decisions making on the fly, the poor haltime adjusments over the years along with some questionnable clock management are the daring proof , and examples can be easily found
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~Mili

[jimmypowder]

This was possibly the most undisciplined game played by the Ravens in the Harbaugh era.

Multiple face masks, I thought Pollard was gonna get kicked out of the game.

I expected to lose this game but I thought we would keep it respectable .

[UMDan]

Why on earth do we refuse to run on 2nd and short? Ray Rice did not get the ball enough. And yes, we need more play action. Offensive playcalling as awful, amongst other issues. Joe Flacco still looks inconsistent on the road. Defense played okay when the offense could make time consuming drives that kept them off the field. The wear and tear is when we start to look like crap.

[chesapeakeaviator]

Well that was a fun way to spend a Sunday afternoon.

My mom always taught me that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Well, I sure have nothing nice to say. Except to Justin Tucker and Sizzle, who defied the human condition this week.

[admartian]

We looked [profanity deleted] terrible (that's being nice) - plus our schedule is not favourable.

Sorry to say to those walking around with their ears and eyes covered screaming [i]"lalalalalalalal everythign is fine y'all aren't just real fans lalalalalalal[/i]" really need to pay attention...

[SuggsBarber]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1350852922' post='1198473']
Buddy i do not think it is play calling, it is talent. Who on the field today has played at a high level, Williams, Smith, Pollard ? Friend we lack talent. Ngata is a pro bowler but he can be double teamed and then he still gets through. Cody is a wash. Kruger is a bust so far. Smith is just Smith, he bites at the receivers first move and gets beat. Williams is a mess. Reed cannot cover the entire field. Where is the bright spot besides Suggs return ?
[/quote]

This

[ratedr]

Marshall Faulk is one of my favorite analysts, and he hit the nail on the head earlier today when asked if the Ravens offense could carry this team.

He basically said no, it can't because the playcalling isn't diverse enough. He said that when you shut down Rice and take away the long ball, that our short/intermediate passing game isn't developed enough. He laid this at the feet of Cam Cameron, not the personnel. On. The. Money.

[HoldingCall]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1350850759' post='1198255']
Those people walked because the team was mismanaged. Ozzie is way too sentimental sometimes and tends to overpay veterans who are over the hill or soon to be over the hill. Don't get me wrong, Ray Lewis is a good player team, but there is no reason whatsoever he should be making $5 million a season like he does. Maybe back in the day when he was younger and this was a running league, but no excuse today. Don't sell me that crap about him meaning more to the team than that, it's just not true. We got Birk making millions, Reed making more than he should, and a few other really poorly managed contracts. A bit more cap space and maybe we can afford to keep someone or bring someone in.
[/quote]

You present an interesting argument, but disagree on a few points. First, the mismanagement is from the coaching side. They seem confused about how to get a first down. They are confused on how to get the ball to Ray Rice in the open field. And they are confused on why this potentially potent offense is sputtering. The OC is confused by an Offensive line that is better built for running than pass protection while the OC is determined to pass by having WRs run increasingly predictable routes.

Defensively, the team appears to not be in the best physical condition, probably because they are banged up and missing key pieces. They have only about half the defense back from a year ago. Not to make excuses but it is what it is.

The Offense is my biggest concern due to ill advised play calling and lack of using the talent wisely. Ossie should not be blamed for poor game plans, his job is to get talent on the field and this offense has the talent. What I have noticed is that when Rice gets in a groove they stop using him in favor of something that doesn't work so well.

For instance If teams find success by attacking Cary Williams or Jimmy Smith, they continue attacking. Why does Cam not do this when it come to Rice or the running game. He changes the rhythm to something that is having less success and stick with that throughout. How can one not learn from past events? If appear that cam favors the pass but as OC he should favor what's working whatever it may be.

[blazeon32]

[quote name='SuggsBarber' timestamp='1350858115' post='1198776']
This
[/quote]No talent= Ozzie has failed at his job the past 4 years

[blazeon32]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1350852922' post='1198473']
Buddy i do not think it is play calling, it is talent. Who on the field today has played at a high level, Williams, Smith, Pollard ? Friend we lack talent. Ngata is a pro bowler but he can be double teamed and then he still gets through. Cody is a wash. Kruger is a bust so far. Smith is just Smith, he bites at the receivers first move and gets beat. Williams is a mess. Reed cannot cover the entire field. Where is the bright spot besides Suggs return ?
[/quote] Other than Ray Rice and Ladarious Webb, what picks by Ozzie have been great in the past five years. Please don't say Joe Flacco because it's five years in and he is still as inconsistent as ever.

[Ravenslifer]

From what I saw, in this game everyone crapped the bed. The offense couldn't stay on the field and the defense couldn't get off it. Rice was running well, but that was no doubt because the game was out of hand very early and the Texans took their focus off him - even the best runningback of all time would be useless when you're down by 20+ points. The offensive line was terrible today. The receivers time and again were asked to beat man coverage and could not do it. Now on the defensive side, our entire defense seems to have left with Pags. The only reason Foster didn't ring 100 on us was because they didn't give him the ball enough. He averaged better than 5 a carry, but worse is that BEN TATE averaged over four and a half yards a carry. Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter looked like they weren't even being covered most of the time. The few solaces I can take for this is 1) the Texans are probably the most complete team in the NFL, 2) they were at home coming off a big loss and were bound to be mad and we've been horrible on the road, and 3) the last two years the New York Giants and Green Bay Packers had some real stinkers (i.e. Green Bay against the Jets and Lions in 2010, and the Giants getting beat by Rex Grossman twice in 2011), and both went on to win the whole thing.