Merged: We're Not Playing to Strengths (Concerns and Options)

[nk02442]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1350963216' post='1201310']
I think youre confused. What I meant when I said running it, was actually running the ball.
[/quote]

And what happens? How about you go back and read page one and what I said. Im not going to keep repeating things for people who cant bother to read the thread. The issues have already been addressed.

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1350956065' post='1201174']
People keep saying that Flacco just had a bad day along with the O-line and the rest of the team......... If the gameplan stays like that going forward, especially playing against a defense like that, we will see many performances like this. Stop acting like this is something new b/c we have seen our O have games like this many times before.
[/quote]

I was being sarcastic. We flat out sucked and they arent using our players to their strengths!

[Gordo52]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350963289' post='1201313']
And what happens? How about you go back and read page one and what I said. Im not going to keep repeating things for people who cant bother to read the thread. The issues have already been addressed.
[/quote]
You make absolutely no sense.

Get blocked.

[AussiieeRavens]

It times for a new OC Cam Cameron needs to go
any suggestions guys?

[SecretAgentMan]

Don't we have enough fire cam threads???? And if you want my opinion, we take Caldwell here

[codizzle]

Jon Gruden??

Hahahahhahahahahahahahha

Okay I'm gone again

[BloodRaven]

[b] *door opens*[/b]

[b] "How are you doing Mr Bisciotti? as you well know my name is Jon Gruden and I would like to formally apply for the vacant OC position for the Baltimore Ravens."[/b]


".........Gruden? what are you doing here it's 3am."
[b] "First of all let me tell you about this guy, this Jon Gruden. Jon Gruden is an OC, that means offensive coordinator. I hate to get too excited about effort, but boy, he’s one of the things that excites me the most. You would need a team of LeBron James clones to cover his offensive system, I mean could you imagine Lebron James coming off the edge opposite Terrell Suggs?! Good night!"[/b]


"I haven't fired Cameron and we're not looking for an OC."
[b] "I could take Joe Flacco and turn him into an old riverboat gambler that can gun that ball right on the money. He'll become a rock ‘n’ roll legend. He’ll shuffle across the formation and shoot his gun, POW! then i'll take Ray Rice and get him some Skittles, because, t[url="http://instntrply.com/2011/12/12/marshawn-lynch-gets-rained-on-with-skittles-2-gifs/"]hese Skittles[/url], man, I gotta find out what’s in these things. Then i'll get clearance to launch one to the missile Torrey Smith!.............. I’m dizzy."[/b]


"Security? yeah it's him. Yes AGAIN."

*closes door*

[BloodRaven]

*door opens*

[b]"How are you doing Mr Bisciotti? as you well know my name is Jon Gruden and I would like to formally apply for the vacant OC position for the Baltimore Ravens."[/b]

".........Gruden? what are you doing here it's 3am."

[b]"First of all let me tell you about this guy, this Jon Gruden. Jon Gruden is an OC, that means offensive coordinator. I hate to get too excited about effort, but boy, he’s one of the things that excites me the most. You would need a team of LeBron James clones to cover his offensive system, I mean could you imagine Lebron James coming off the edge opposite Terrell Suggs?! Good night!"[/b]

"I haven't fired Cameron and we're not looking for an OC."

[b]"I could take Joe Flacco and turn him into an old riverboat gambler that can gun that ball right on the money. He'll become a rock ‘n’ roll legend. He’ll shuffle across the formation and shoot his gun, POW! then i'll take Ray Rice and get him some Skittles, because, these Skittles, man, I gotta find out what’s in these things. Then i'll get clearance to launch one to the missile Torrey Smith!.............. I’m dizzy."[/b]

"Security? yeah it's him. Yes AGAIN."

*closes door*

[Guest Im An Ozzie Newsome Guy]

Ladies and gentlemen, let's be real for a moment: Is this who we want as the Baltimore Ravens next offensive coordinator?

[img]http://www.usprolease.com/images/chucky2.jpg[/img]

"Give me a green-right slot, spider 2 y-banana!" - Jon Gruden...

[Guest RBates]

Who?

[sman555555]

promote caldwell???

[Mt. Crushmore]

If we chance anything it will be promoting Caldwell.

[VabchRavens]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1350972676' post='1201406']
*door opens*

[b]"How are you doing Mr Bisciotti? as you well know my name is Jon Gruden and I would like to formally apply for the vacant OC position for the Baltimore Ravens."[/b]

".........Gruden? what are you doing here it's 3am."

[b]"First of all let me tell you about this guy, this Jon Gruden. Jon Gruden is an OC, that means offensive coordinator. I hate to get too excited about effort, but boy, he’s one of the things that excites me the most. You would need a team of LeBron James clones to cover his offensive system, I mean could you imagine Lebron James coming off the edge opposite Terrell Suggs?! Good night!"[/b]

"I haven't fired Cameron and we're not looking for an OC."

[b]"I could take Joe Flacco and turn him into an old riverboat gambler that can gun that ball right on the money. He'll become a rock ‘n’ roll legend. He’ll shuffle across the formation and shoot his gun, POW! then i'll take Ray Rice and get him some Skittles, because, these Skittles, man, I gotta find out what’s in these things. Then i'll get clearance to launch one to the missile Torrey Smith!.............. I’m dizzy."[/b]

"Security? yeah it's him. Yes AGAIN."

*closes door*
[/quote]

That was pretty funny.

[RedFire]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1350972676' post='1201406']
*door opens*

[b]"How are you doing Mr Bisciotti? as you well know my name is Jon Gruden and I would like to formally apply for the vacant OC position for the Baltimore Ravens."[/b]

".........Gruden? what are you doing here it's 3am."

[b]"First of all let me tell you about this guy, this Jon Gruden. Jon Gruden is an OC, that means offensive coordinator. I hate to get too excited about effort, but boy, he’s one of the things that excites me the most. You would need a team of LeBron James clones to cover his offensive system, I mean could you imagine Lebron James coming off the edge opposite Terrell Suggs?! Good night!"[/b]

"I haven't fired Cameron and we're not looking for an OC."

[b]"I could take Joe Flacco and turn him into an old riverboat gambler that can gun that ball right on the money. He'll become a rock ‘n’ roll legend. He’ll shuffle across the formation and shoot his gun, POW! then i'll take Ray Rice and get him some Skittles, because, these Skittles, man, I gotta find out what’s in these things. Then i'll get clearance to launch one to the missile Torrey Smith!.............. I’m dizzy."[/b]

"Security? yeah it's him. Yes AGAIN."

*closes door*
[/quote]



Too funny! if you ever here gruden on ESPN...this is him! SNL funny. Props!!!

[rlh445]

Every once in awhile, BloodRaven just slays me. Once again, he's pretty much the only reason to even check out this stupid thread. Good job dude!

[jdynamite]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1350854093' post='1198561']
I just don't know what we're thinking. We come out and look good for the first series and then do a complete 180. WHY?! I'd love to do an in depth interview with Cam and see what he says.
[/quote]

Yeah that was amazing to come out, defense force several 3 and outs early. Offense went down field rather easily we score 3. Then boom! Ray Rice had 5 carries 34 yards in the beginning of 2nd qtr and somehow finishes with 12 carries 42 yards.

[jdynamite]

The biggest thing with the no-huddle is that we don't run the no-huddle like other teams where they dink-n-dunk passes around (short gains ), quick runs to make it a manageable 3rd down & short. It's not often that the ball is put in the playmakers hands and allow them to create YAC.

Can't have a no-huddle offense when u can't keep the ball moving or the clock, its like this team forgets at times that first downs are the key to the no-huddle success it's important to put yourself in a position to gain a few first downs. I like the Big Chunk Plays too but some of those plays take too long to develop down field.

It would be nice to see more WR smoke screens to Torrey or Jacoby get the ball in their hands quickly allow them to create in space.

[nk02442]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1351001248' post='1201512']
The biggest thing with the no-huddle is that we don't run the no-huddle like other teams where they dink-n-dunk passes around (short gains ), quick runs to make it a manageable 3rd down & short. It's not often that the ball is put in the playmakers hands and allow them to create YAC.

Can't have a no-huddle offense when u can't keep the ball moving or the clock, its like this team forgets at times that first downs are the key to the no-huddle success it's important to put yourself in a position to gain a few first downs. I like the Big Chunk Plays too but some of those plays take too long to develop down field.

It would be nice to see more WR smoke screens to Torrey or Jacoby get the ball in their hands quickly allow them to create in space.
[/quote]


100% truth. The no huddle only works if you are getting 1st downs. Otherwise your defense is just going to be on the field longer with shorter breaks. I still dont understand why this team is not west coast. All our plays are crap. They allow for little to no YAC and poor seperation. Where are all the slants and quick outs?

[SizzleSuggs55]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350957590' post='1201200']
Breaking off one good run does not change the fact that there were many 2 and 3 yard runs. Maybe you should invest in a texbook and read up on this miricle called std deviation. Would you rather have 2, 25 yard runs or 10, 5 yard runs? Which is going to get you more first downs, and by defult more plays? Which is going to eat up more of your precious clock? Your out of your league and you dont even know it.
[/quote] You want me to invest in STD's....What? And honestly man you have to be the most stubborn person on this board to insist we must pass the ball 40 or 50 times a game to win, when we just got our tails kicked from trying that formula. I understand we were playing from behind, which warrants more passing, but the game plan you are asking for, is the exact kind of game plan Cam Cameron calls when we LOSE.
Oh and buddy i don't need to read a graph to see the deviation from an average, to know that we need to run the ball more.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1351001248' post='1201512']
The biggest thing with the no-huddle is that we don't run the no-huddle like other teams where they dink-n-dunk passes around (short gains ), quick runs to make it a manageable 3rd down & short. It's not often that the ball is put in the playmakers hands and allow them to create YAC.

Can't have a no-huddle offense when u can't keep the ball moving or the clock, its like this team forgets at times that first downs are the key to the no-huddle success it's important to put yourself in a position to gain a few first downs. I like the Big Chunk Plays too but some of those plays take too long to develop down field.

It would be nice to see more WR smoke screens to Torrey or Jacoby get the ball in their hands quickly allow them to create in space.
[/quote]

This is why I'm afraid of the idea that many people support of firing Cam and bringing in Norv Turner. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for attacking down the field, but you need short passing and running to help open up the top. It seems like almost every play Cam calls is a slow developing deep route 15 yards down the field. I'm worried someone from that same school of thought is going to have a similar philosophy, and no matter how skilled they are at calling plays I'm not sure that's an offense I want to see. That's not going to lead to a successful modern day offense.

[nk02442]

[quote name='SizzleSuggs55' timestamp='1351035244' post='1202139']
You want me to invest in STD's....What? And honestly man you have to be the most stubborn person on this board to insist we must pass the ball 40 or 50 times a game to win, when we just got our tails kicked from trying that formula. I understand we were playing from behind, which warrants more passing, but the game plan you are asking for, is the exact kind of game plan Cam Cameron calls when we LOSE.
Oh and buddy i don't need to read a graph to see the deviation from an average, to know that we need to run the ball more.
[/quote]

I was going to be nice, but I'm getting tired of idiots who cant read, coming here and talking out of their [profanity deleted]. When did I ever say we need to run 50 times a every game to win? Its an evolving, fluid, dynamic game. You need to adapt or you will loose.Sometimes you can run the ball 50 times and get the win.... sometimes you will need to throw 50 times to win. Most will be a ratio in between there. Moral of the story for the mentaly defective, is there is no one gameplan for every team as they ALL have different atributes, abilities, strengths and weaknesses.

[wayne]

There is a article on the front page with Harbaugh agreeing that we should have stuck with the run more and that the run to pass ratio is a bit lop sided. That puts NKo2442 and the other guy to rest with whatever they been saying. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see they would she run the ball more and that airing it out isn't the key going forward. We just tried that and look where it got us and I won't even bring up the games in the past when we abandon the run only to try to air it out like we the Saints, Packers, or Patriots only to see the offense look terrible when using that formula, smh!

[allballs]

somebody's right. play to our strength. and, our defense,
is our strength, its our identity, it's the reason we have
that lombardi now. that defense is the best ever, single season,
and we had really maintained that id by being the defense of
that decade, beating out... look it up! remember winning several games without an
offensive score in 2000? remember "if we score first, game over" which held so true.
if you don't , go back and do your history, if not , i will continue to
school you. but we are caught up in trying to find that 100 million
dollar quarterback to try to throw us to a win. the whole league is.
remember priest holmes, and rookie jamal lewis (1364 yds) and who
just missed 29's single season rushing record, who would've shattered it
if that 2nd ranked team wasnt the last game that year.
this qb trend, wildcat, pussycat, read-option cat ,black cat, whatever offensive gimmick
you run, will get found out, along with the 100 million $ qb. build a supreme defense,
and you can shut anything down, no matter the rules, he can't throw on his back.
and its not about draft picks perse, but coachable talent in the draft, there's a lot of
HOF's who emerged from nowhere. to GM/owner/team, who makes the committment
to defense, i mean building a 2000 ravens defense, you will witness how a 100 million
dollar qb eats dirt. what do they scream, when the game's on the line, De-Fense, De-Fense,
De-Fense... never hear OF-fense, OF-fense.

[The Raven]

[quote name='allballs' timestamp='1351113203' post='1202882']
somebody's right. play to our strength. and, our defense,
is our strength, its our identity, it's the reason we have
that lombardi now. that defense is the best ever, single season,
and we had really maintained that id by being the defense of
that decade, beating out... look it up! remember winning several games without an
offensive score in 2000? remember "if we score first, game over" which held so true.
if you don't , go back and do your history, if not , i will continue to
school you. but we are caught up in trying to find that 100 million
dollar quarterback to try to throw us to a win. the whole league is.
remember priest holmes, and rookie jamal lewis (1364 yds) and who
just missed 29's single season rushing record, who would've shattered it
if that 2nd ranked team wasnt the last game that year.
this qb trend, wildcat, pussycat, read-option cat ,black cat, whatever offensive gimmick
you run, will get found out, along with the 100 million $ qb. build a supreme defense,
and you can shut anything down, no matter the rules, he can't throw on his back.
and its not about draft picks perse, but coachable talent in the draft, there's a lot of
HOF's who emerged from nowhere. to GM/owner/team, who makes the committment
to defense, i mean building a 2000 ravens defense, you will witness how a 100 million
dollar qb eats dirt. what do they scream, when the game's on the line, De-Fense, De-Fense,
De-Fense... never hear OF-fense, OF-fense.
[/quote]

LOL!!! Did you just say our defense is our strength? You had already lost all credibility, but now you have negative credibility.

Would it kill you to type like a normal human being?

[SizzleSuggs55]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1351045823' post='1202291']
I was going to be nice, but I'm getting tired of idiots who cant read, coming here and talking out of their [profanity deleted]. When did I ever say we need to run 50 times a every game to win? Its an evolving, fluid, dynamic game. You need to adapt or you will loose.Sometimes you can run the ball 50 times and get the win.... sometimes you will need to throw 50 times to win. Most will be a ratio in between there. Moral of the story for the mentaly defective, is there is no one gameplan for every team as they ALL have different atributes, abilities, strengths and weaknesses.
[/quote] I'm tired of reading your know it all, comments. You really just seem to be looking for a fight with numerous posters, and i'm not going to be another one of them. Everyones stating their OPINION, stop hiding behind your keyboard, tough guy.

[nk02442]

Its called a fact. If you cant bother to read the thred then don't type anything. I appogize that sometimes I am short with 50IQ mouth breathers, but that is the only tone they seem to understand.

And yeah I'm hiding behind my keyboard kid. Sorry I didnt get the memo about the BR.com forum weekly town meetings. Heres a hint.........Look at my avatar. It means im a real whimp.

[berad]

This thread has become more about personal attacks than the topic at hand. Closed.