Merged: We're Not Playing to Strengths (Concerns and Options)

[SizzleSuggs55]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350932546' post='1200601']
Still you refuse to listen to logic, reason, and fact. The run was not working. If it was, then we wouldnt have went 3 and out over and over, and no conversions on 3rd down until the second half. You really have no idea what your talking about. Sounds like your repeating the same tired lines as chris colinsworth from madden. Here is a pro-tip.... Madden is not real football.

I guess the reason the packers kicked the piss out of the texans last week was their stellar run game? Stop talking about what you do not know.
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Sounds like you are the one talking about what you do not know, because 4.8 YPC, IMO and probably many others, is considered an efficient running attack, we just went away from that, we went 3 and out consecutively because we were throwing it too much, and why are you jumping down the dudes throat, he's not calling for ground and pound, he wants balance which is something we are in dire need of. Cameron threw the ball 7 times in a row over 3 different drives...without handing the ball of once. i really don't care if its Flacco or Rice winning us games, but it cant be one or the other, we need balance.

[wayne]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350932546' post='1200601']
Still you refuse to listen to logic, reason, and fact. [b]The run was not working[/b]. If it was, then we wouldnt have went 3 and out over and over, and no conversions on 3rd down until the second half. You really have no idea what your talking about. Sounds like your repeating the same tired lines as chris colinsworth from madden. Here is a pro-tip.... Madden is not real football.

I guess the reason the packers kicked the piss out of the texans last week was their stellar run game? Stop talking about what you do not know.
[/quote]

You obviously wasn't looking at the game to say the run wasn't working and to compare the Packers killing the Texans with the pass to the Ravens is very foolish seeing it's different QBs with different weapons. Rodgers is way better than Flacco and they have better weapons than the Ravens to work with so I think you need to be the one to use your own statement on yourself about not knowing what you are talking about. How in the world the run wasn't working when Rice averaged 4.8 yards a carry that game???????

[wayne]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350932822' post='1200606']
Dude just stop. We are not a smashmouth football team anymore. We have a bad defense full of poor technique and tackling players. We have a terrible offensive line that cannot block or pass protect. We have a indecisive QB who is jeckle and hyde. We have a good RB, but he is no AP/Foster. Incase you need things spelled out and in caps here you go:

THE PASS DOES NOT OPEN UP UNLESS YOU ARE RUNNING EFFECTIVLEY. IF THEY ARE STOPPING THE RUN WITH 7 IN THE BOX, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY ARE GOING TO DROP 11 IN ALL OF A SUDDEN ON PASSING DOWNS. PLAY ACTION ONLY WORKS WHEN YOU ARE EFFECTIVLEY RUNNING THE BALL, FORCING THE D TO BITE AND PLAY UP.

Now that I think about it,[b] you remind me of Cam. [/b]The run doesnt work so lets keep doing it. No wait the run works but we want to go pass happy now. No wait lets run 3 end around in a row and take bombs down the field when a simple conversion will win us the game. You really need to do more reading and watching and less typing.
[/quote]

Actually, you the one that resembles Cam more with thinking you have to pass the ball 50 times every game to win thinking that running the rock won't win you games anymore and waLa, we use that strategy vs the Texans and look what happened. Also, obviously you are not reading my post b/c if you was you would see that I never said we need to be a smashmouth football team but we do need more balance so we need to run the ball more. Also brainiac, it's a lot more easier for O-lineman to run block than pass block so if the O-line sucks, then that warrants running the ball even more. I repeat...... if the O-line is not that good, you really need to be running the ball more.

[Purple Punishment]

We arent playing to our strengths? Dont tell our coordinators that

[K-Dog]

Does any one undetstand how averages work?

An average of 4.8 doesnt necessarily mean he ran the ball ten times and got 4.8 each time (though it could)
If Ran ran nine times for one yard and then busted one for fifteen (pardon me for not making the effort to do the actual math) the result would lead you to believe the run game was more effective than it really was.

The question becomes are ten one yard runs ( three three and outs) worth one fifteen yard run
?

[wayne]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1350954922' post='1201157']
We arent playing to our strengths? Dont tell our coordinators that
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People keep saying that Flacco just had a bad day along with the O-line and the rest of the team......... If the gameplan stays like that going forward, especially playing against a defense like that, we will see many performances like this. Stop acting like this is something new b/c we have seen our O have games like this many times before.

[wayne]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1350956027' post='1201173']
Does any one undetstand how averages work?

An average of 4.8 doesnt necessarily mean he ran the ball ten times and got 4.8 each time (though it could)
If Ran ran nine times for one yard and then busted one for fifteen (pardon me for not making the effort to do the actual math) the result would lead you to believe the run game was more effective than it really was.

The question becomes are ten one yard runs ( three three and outs) worth one fifteen yard run
?
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Regardless of how you get the average, at the end of the day, it will work its self out. You think every run by Foster was his average, Peterson, Johnson? Sure, there are going to be many times during the game that a lot of RBs will be stuffed for no gain or a short gain but that doesn't mean to go away from the run b/c of that. A lot of Texans passing yards came from our D not knowing if it's a run or a pass with the stretch run and stretch PA and this is how the Texans operate on pretty much everyone. If the Texans gameplan was like ours where you just throw Schaub in shotgun most of the times, there record wouldn't be what it is right now.

[nk02442]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1350941160' post='1200893']
No. Upshaw's skill set is perfect for a 3-4 OLB or a 4-3 DE. 4-3 OLB is just ridiculous.

Yes, McKinnie was at LT and Oher was at RT. But guess what happened? KO came back in the 3rd quarter. Oher went back to LT and KO went back to RT. Funny how that works...




In what universe is the LT responsible for a DB blitz? 99% of the time that's the job of the RB. Everybody and their mother knows that; why don't you?
[/quote]

It wasnt a DB..... saftey, you know that thing for 2 pts?

[nk02442]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1350942334' post='1200911']
Agreed. Run that damn ball, and use PA. Start throwing when we can't run it anymore.
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Yea lets just run and PA when no one bites... Why arent you the head coach?

[nk02442]

[quote name='SizzleSuggs55' timestamp='1350952165' post='1201097']
Sounds like you are the one talking about what you do not know, because 4.8 YPC, IMO and probably many others, is considered an efficient running attack, we just went away from that, we went 3 and out consecutively because we were throwing it too much, and why are you jumping down the dudes throat, he's not calling for ground and pound, he wants balance which is something we are in dire need of. Cameron threw the ball 7 times in a row over 3 different drives...without handing the ball of once. i really don't care if its Flacco or Rice winning us games, but it cant be one or the other, we need balance.
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Breaking off one good run does not change the fact that there were many 2 and 3 yard runs. Maybe you should invest in a texbook and read up on this miricle called std deviation. Would you rather have 2, 25 yard runs or 10, 5 yard runs? Which is going to get you more first downs, and by defult more plays? Which is going to eat up more of your precious clock? Your out of your league and you dont even know it.

[wayne]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350957590' post='1201200']
[b]Breaking off one good run does not change the fact that there were many 2 and 3 yard runs.[/b] Maybe you should invest in a texbook and read up on this miricle called std deviation. Would you rather have 2, 25 yard runs or 10, 5 yard runs? Which is going to get you more first downs, and by defult more plays? Which is going to eat up more of your precious clock? Your out of your league and you dont even know it.
[/quote]

How many carries did Rice have that game? I bet Rice had more 4+ yard carries than 2 to 3 yard runs, wanna make a friendly bet ?

[nk02442]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1350953736' post='1201142']
You obviously wasn't looking at the game to say the run wasn't working and to compare the Packers killing the Texans with the pass to the Ravens is very foolish seeing it's different QBs with different weapons. Rodgers is way better than Flacco and they have better weapons than the Ravens to work with so I think you need to be the one to use your own statement on yourself about not knowing what you are talking about. How in the world the run wasn't working when Rice averaged 4.8 yards a carry that game???????
[/quote]

"You obviously wasn't looking at the game..." First of all Chief, if you want to address me, leave the ebonics at home, we are adults here and this isnt the block. Second of all, This is a copy cat league. Packers exposed the texans weakness and we should have been putting every sword into that [profanity deleted] of armor. Playing to their strengths and our weakness..........is the reason we lost. And assuming you have same reading comprehension of the other children in this thread......YPC doesnt mean anything unless they are sustained runs or game breakers. A long run here or there only gives you one 1st down. Its called Yards Per Carry.......an average for the mouth breathers. Rice could run for 50 yard on one play and get 10 yards on 10 plays with a total of 60 yars, 6.0 YPC. Would you consider that a good day?

[nk02442]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1350954309' post='1201149']
Actually, you the one that resembles Cam more with thinking you have to pass the ball 50 times every game to win thinking that running the rock won't win you games anymore and waLa, we use that strategy vs the Texans and look what happened. Also, obviously you are not reading my post b/c if you was you would see that I never said we need to be a smashmouth football team but we do need more balance so we need to run the ball more. Also brainiac, it's a lot more easier for O-lineman to run block than pass block so if the O-line sucks, then that warrants running the ball even more. I repeat...... if the O-line is not that good, you really need to be running the ball more.
[/quote]

Again your failure at logic and reading comes full circle. I never said we need to throw the ball 50 times. If you spent more time reading and less typing you would realize this. You run what works, and you dont run what doesnt work. If the run is getting nothing or the situation calls for it, then yes you throw the ball 50 times. If your deffense is in the bottom third of the league and your offense is inconsitant, running the ball for 3ypc isint going to win you any games. Look at the teams with poor to avg defenses.... One thing you will notice is they throw ALOT...........or they usualy loose. Its the way the game has evolved, its the way the rules are set up and its the only way you are going to win a SB in this league........Look at who has won The SB since 2004. Even then you have to argue Ben carried them some games on his arm. Brady,Ben, PManning, EManning, Ben, Brees, Rodgers, and EManning. If you want to win you have to throw....simple as that.

[wayne]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350957834' post='1201210']
"You obviously wasn't looking at the game..." First of all Chief, if you want to address me, leave the ebonics at home, we are adults here and this isnt the block. Second of all, This is a copy cat league. Packers exposed the texans weakness and we should have been putting every sword into that [profanity deleted] of armor. [b]Playing to their strengths and our weakness.[/b].........is the reason we lost. And assuming you have same reading comprehension of the other children in this thread......YPC doesnt mean anything unless they are sustained runs or game breakers. A long run here or there only gives you one 1st down. Its called Yards Per Carry.......an average for the mouth breathers. Rice could run for 50 yard on one play and get 10 yards on 10 plays with a total of 60 yars, 6.0 YPC. Would you consider that a good day?
[/quote]

Smart guy, you are contradicting yourself b/c if we played to our weakness, yet you say running the ball isn't the answer, that makes our weakness passing the ball seeing we had a 70-30% pass to run ratio that game,lol. Also, just b/c it's a copycat league doesn't mean you can necessarily go in there and copy the success that other teams have against other teams b/c if you don't have the personnel to do it, you can't copy it no matter how hard you try. If that's the case then everyone would just copy how the Texans play D so everyone D should be stout....... or everyone would use two TE sets like the Pats and pass the ball up and down the field on people b/c the Pats are doing it. News flash brainiac, if you don't have the personnel for a particular style of play, you obviously can't copy that style of play regardless of how much you do it b/c if that's the case, our HC would have obviously seen how the Packers carved up the Texans and use a similar blueprint to do the same but how did that work out?

[nk02442]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1350957798' post='1201208']
How many carries did Rice have that game? I bet Rice had more 4+ yard carries than 2 to 3 yard runs, wanna make a friendly bet ?
[/quote]

I guess math isint your strong suit. He had 42 yards on 9 carries, with a long of 17. Negate the long run and you have 8 Carries for 25 yards, netting 3.1 a carry. Still want to make that bet? Protip: dont get into a math bet with someone training to be an actuary........

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Most will agree we abandoned the run way too early. We definately have to be more balanced, especially when the O line cant block.

[wayne]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350958231' post='1201221']
Again your failure at logic and reading comes full circle. I never said we need to throw the ball 50 times. If you spent more time reading and less typing you would realize this. [b]You run what works, and you dont run what doesnt work[/b]. If the run is getting nothing or the situation calls for it, then yes you throw the ball 50 times. If your deffense is in the bottom third of the league and your offense is inconsitant, running the ball for 3ypc isint going to win you any games. Look at the teams with poor to avg defenses.... One thing you will notice is they throw ALOT...........or they usualy loose. Its the way the game has evolved, its the way the rules are set up and its the only way you are going to win a SB in this league........Look at who has won The SB since 2004. Even then you have to argue Ben carried them some games on his arm. Brady,Ben, PManning, EManning, Ben, Brees, Rodgers, and EManning. If you want to win you have to throw....simple as that.
[/quote]

So the pass obviously was working so don't you think we needed to take a little pressure off of Flacco and run the ball more? Don't tell me that the Texans D is so good that they took everything away from us either.

[nk02442]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1350958307' post='1201222']
Smart guy, you are contradicting yourself b/c if we played to our weakness, yet you say running the ball isn't the answer, that makes our weakness passing the ball seeing we had a 70-30% pass to run ratio that game,lol. Also, just b/c it's a copycat league doesn't mean you can necessarily go in there and copy the success that other teams have against other teams b/c if you don't have the personnel to do it, you can't copy it no matter how hard you try. If that's the case then everyone would just copy how the Texans play D so everyone D should be stout....... or everyone would use two TE sets like the Pats and pass the ball up and down the field on people b/c the Pats are doing it. News flash brainiac, if you don't have the personnel for a particular style of play, you obviously can't copy that style of play regardless of how much you do it b/c if that's the case, our HC would have obviously seen how the Packers carved up the Texans and use a similar blueprint to do the same but how did that work out?
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The problem was execution. For whatever reason Joe sucked, the play calling sucked , and the recievers didnt even look like they were trying. I dont know. I would have still called just as many pass plays if I had to do it over. Running the ball wouldnt have changed anything, especialy from a team that was 5th, and it now more like 3rd in rush defense.

[nk02442]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1350958503' post='1201227']
Most will agree we abandoned the run way too early. We definately have to be more balanced, especially when the O line cant block.
[/quote]

Herp derp, I dont read threads I just parot other people who dont read threads..... Herp derp.

[nk02442]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1350958514' post='1201228']
So the pass obviously was working so don't you think we needed to take a little pressure off of Flacco and run the ball more? Don't tell me that the Texans D is so good that they took everything away from us either.
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Running the ball wouldnt take any pressure away. Hey if your an experinced QB and you cant handle having to throw the ball a little to advance the game and give your D a chance to rest, then you should rethink your career choice. Joe looked like a bag of [profanity deleted], and was a BIG reason we got trounced. Take away those 12 Pts the offense gave away, turn them in 14 points and this would have been a MUCH closer game with a chance to win.

[wayne]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350958406' post='1201225']
I guess math isint your strong suit. He had 42 yards on 9 carries, with a long of 17. Negate the long run and you have 8 Carries for 25 yards, netting 3.1a carry. Still want to make that bet? Protip: dont get into a math bet with someone training to be an actuary........
[/quote]
Why negate the 17 yard gain though? That's part of him running the ball so why negate it? Every RB has games like that and you rarely see it where RBs is picking up 6+ yards every damn run. Why can't we negate the 2-3 yard runs since you want to negate the 17 yard run? Also, you going to far into the averages, too far smart guy. Stop worrying about the average so much and think about what simply running the ball does for the O-line and the rythm of any offense. Even the defensive line can't just rush upfield in full pursuit looking to sack the QB in fear of worrying about the run and it fatigues the d-lineman a little when you pound the rock also which can take from the pass rush.

[wayne]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350958549' post='1201229']
The problem was execution. For whatever reason Joe sucked, the play calling sucked , and the recievers didnt even look like they were trying. I dont know. [b]I would have still called just as many pass plays if I had to do it over[/b]. Running the ball wouldnt have changed anything, especialy from a team that was 5th, and it now more like 3rd in rush defense.
[/quote]

I'm done Cam!

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350958577' post='1201231']


Herp derp, I dont read threads I just parot other people who dont read threads..... Herp derp.
[/quote]

Alright buddy go on with ya bad self, with ya little temper tantrums. Does make you feel better calling people names and downtalking them? Why you so angry? Were all fans here dont get your panties in a bunch

[Gordo52]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350957540' post='1201198']



Yea lets just run and PA when no one bites... Why arent you the head coach?
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They'll bite when we keep running it, and not abandon the run when its working. And thats because John Harbaugh is sir.

[The Raven]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350957490' post='1201195']
It wasnt a DB..... saftey, you know that thing for 2 pts?
[/quote]

Sorry you worded it weirdly.

[nk02442]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1350960689' post='1201267']
They'll bite when we keep running it, and not abandon the run when its working. And thats because John Harbaugh is sir.
[/quote]

Yea running PA after PA is going to make them all of a sudden bite? Do you know what a P/A is? You must be confused.... not be offensive.

[nk02442]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1350960998' post='1201275']
Sorry you worded it weirdly.
[/quote]

It just remindied me of the Troy strip sac that cost us the AFCC. Thats on Joe to call for protection or change the play....Maybe even throw the ball away, which is something he doesnt seem to understand.

[Bravens292]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350961333' post='1201283']
It just remindied me of the Troy strip sac that cost us the AFCC. Thats on Joe to call for protection or change the play....Maybe even throw the ball away, which is something he doesnt seem to understand.
[/quote]

I'm not trying to bring up any elite talk, but most elite quarterbacks adjust protections on a frequent basis and i barely see him do it if ever. not sure how much of that is cams leash or if joe just can't do it but i think its him. i like joe but just stating what i see.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350961257' post='1201279']


Yea running PA after PA is going to make them all of a sudden bite? Do you know what a P/A is? You must be confused.... not be offensive.
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I think youre confused. What I meant when I said running it, was actually running the ball.

[nk02442]

[quote name='Bravens292' timestamp='1350962093' post='1201298']
I'm not trying to bring up any elite talk, but most elite quarterbacks adjust protections on a frequent basis and i barely see him do it if ever. not sure how much of that is cams leash or if joe just can't do it but i think its him. i like joe but just stating what i see.
[/quote]

Your prob a real nice guy IRL, but your avatar makes me want to punch you in the face.....

Back to reality.... Its Joe, the Tackle and Birk (since its evident he is joes protection patsy). No excuse not to see that guy lined up unlocked on the line. Like I said, Joe should have known better and at the least, thrown it away quick to protect the saftey. I have said for years, I dont think Joe is smart enough. He just doent have the football brain and IQ to be a good qb.