Pees Says Ravens D "Makes Him Sick"

[JO_75]

I commend Dean, we know that Cam Cameron would never come out and admit if there was a problem with the Offense. I'm happy Dean said this because something needed to be said, it makes me sick every week as well. I hope this puts a little spark into the defense a bit.

[sman555555]

40% bad tackling, 50% bad coaching, 10% injuries

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='sman555555' timestamp='1350627285' post='1194946']
40% bad tackling, 50% bad coaching, 10% injuries
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not even,try 80% bad tackling 10% coaching,10% injuries.the players are the ones playing,not the Coaches.

[HoldingCall]

We are all aware that a Superbowl windows briefly opens for a team and that team must seize the opportunity, but I have to admit that I never envisioned our defense as having a window too. I just took it for granted that they would always be one of the best. I haven't lost hope; just evaluating reality.

Its interesting that the year Ray Lewis drops pounds to be more effective in the passing game it turns out that our run defense is more the problem.

When safety Ed Reed's tackling becomes the focus of conversation it's usually a signal that runners are getting pass the D Line and Linebackers first.

[SuRihtanil]

Its the end of a era in Baltimore, but I am having a bit of a time accepting it. I don't believe Ray has much left in the tank this will probably be his last year if not, 1 more. I dunno for certain, but I hope the Ravens can just win 1 more superbowl as Ray leading the D, Id like to see Reed get his ring before our defense becomes just another defense around the NFL.

[Medications]

The way the nfl salary cap and parity and all that crap works makes it hard to have both a stout offense AND a stout defense, youre typically paying for one or the other.

I just figured that by the time our offense finally came around to become great, we'd at least have a year or two overlap where our defense was also still great albeit at the tail end of it. So it sucks that the year our offense is finally built to be the greatest its ever been, our defense completely falls off. It's like we missed that overlap window by just a year or two and now we're just a little too late. Last year was the year it was supposed to happen for us. You cant predict injuries and stuff i guess but it is what it is. My expectations for this season have been drastically tempered, i wont be nearly as upset losing games from here on out, because any that we win will be in spite of our injuries and subsequently terrible defense. Whereas before i expected to win every game. Its just gonna be one of those years. Last year was it.

[good_n_purple]

[quote name='IH EART DA RAVENS' timestamp='1350604769' post='1194565']
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Anyone seen this yet? Sounds like he at least gets there's a problem...lets see what he does to fix it.
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[redrum52]

[quote name='good_n_purple' timestamp='1350654022' post='1195010']

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That is the best smiley EVER. I would use that like Mili uses The Wire gif.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='ThePurpleWall' timestamp='1350631248' post='1194955']
not even,try 80% bad tackling 10% coaching,10% injuries.the players are the ones playing,not the Coaches.
[/quote]
This is a never ending argument.

If its 80% bad tackling then that onus falls on the coaching staff as well. We have 3 new players in the front 7, the rest of the defense is the same. You think the other guys just forgot how to tackle since last year when the defense played well?

The blame goes 50/50 on this defense. The players are not tackling and are getting zero penetration/ getting bullied up front, but the coordinator isn't exactly on par with where it was last year. You can't fire an entire defense so the coach is the change that's made. That's why people want Pees re-evaluated. We had some TOTAL scrub defenses before the 2000 legends, and in 2007 that defense was not exactly a good defense. And they never gave up back to back 200 yard rushing games.

[cookiedood]

[size=4]There's not a lot to be said that hasn't already been said, except that, let's all just take a deep breath and hope that the team will come to the realization that every tackle matters. No more Ray, and no more Webb means that it is time for every player on that defense to step up and do the job that they are responsible for. These guys are professionals and if they wish to remain that way, then they better get the job done. I have criticized Pees in the past and I still think that he was a bad choice, but with that said, he isn't the one on the field missing tackles, and not plugging the gaps, or playing so far off of receivers that catches thrown in their direction are automatic receptions. This game will be their litmus test. [/size]

[hawkprey]

[quote name='ThePurpleWall' timestamp='1350631248' post='1194955']
not even,try 80% bad tackling 10% coaching,10% injuries.the players are the ones playing,not the Coaches.
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Do you even know what a coach is for? There's more to Pees' job than to throw 11 guys on the field and expect them to be perfect.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1350667390' post='1195129']

Do you even know what a coach is for? There's more to Pees' job than to throw 11 guys on the field and expect them to be perfect.
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It shouldnt be to teach professional football players how to tackle, thats for damn sure. If anything poor technique falls on the position coaches not the DC.

[The Raven]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1350668756' post='1195143']
It shouldnt be to teach professional football players how to tackle, thats for damn sure. If anything poor technique falls on the position coaches not the DC.
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Not only that, but teaching a professional football player how to tackle is a joke. If you're in the NFL, you need to be able to tackle. By this point in their careers, I can't even put the blame on the position coaches. These guys have been playing ball for at least 5-8 years, and that's just the rookies. They've been playing football since they were 15 years old, if not way earlier. I can't blame their current position coaches for a skill that should have been learned in college at the latest.

If a high school or college football player can't tackle, I'd be more inclined to put some blame on the coaches. But in the NFL, the players are solely responsible for their inability to tackle.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

I really do not see why anyone is surprised by the lack of defense this year. We all knew Suggs was out a while, we let JJ go and the fact that Ray and Ed are simply put getting a lot slower. Ray has not played like he did for a couple years now. Ed has always had injuries. The draft picks for the defensive side have not even been close to working out the last couple of drafts. We also knew Cary was not and elite corner and JJ would have some growing pains.

I think we have just expected a strong defense like all the years past. To be honest the Oz made some nice picks eary on but there is no sure fire way to tell what a pick is going to do. There is a lot of luck involved as well. Oz is no wizard when it comes to the draft, he was due to cool off just like any other person making draft choices.

I do think how ever that Upshaw will turn out ok but kindle and Kruger at best will be average. Kindle might be gone within a month or so anyway.

and now that cam says he will not adjust the offense in any way to pick up the slack for a defense that has more holes then a strainer is very troublesome to me. If we are trying to emulate the Patriots we are in big trouble. We have a lot of offensive tools but we do not have the O'line for it. I just do not see the end result here. It is like our coachs just want to ride out the season and let the chips fall where they may. The cap for next year is already ate up as we need to get a few contracts done or we wont even have an offense next year.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1350668756' post='1195143']
It shouldnt be to teach professional football players how to tackle, thats for damn sure. If anything poor technique falls on the position coaches not the DC.
[/quote] Our defense doesn't suck because our players are idiots who don't know how to bring somebody down. It's because the person they're trying to bring down is a BEAST.

Tackling doesn't need to be taught at this level, but it does need to be emphasized in practice if you want to excel at it. If a team suddenly becomes poor at tackling midway through the season, it's because the coaches did a bad job in the way they emphasized it during practice. It's not because players forget how to do it. Look at teams like the 49ers. They don't miss many tackles. Is it a coincidence that they have 11 guys on the field who can all tackle? Or is it because that's what the coaches wanted to focus on?

[Bravens292]

even if his scheme isn't the problem, i don't get the feeling the players want to play for him. during the behind the scenes videos on winning drive, it looks like the players are always talking everything over by themselves. i have yet to see him talk to his D. its like he's in another world during the game. i saw numerous times last year where pagano was communicating with the whole defense. i'm not down there so i don't know whats going on but judging from what i can see, the relationship between he and the d doesn't look great. i get the feeling the trust factor isn't there. i don't think he's a bad guy or anything but i don't see the swag that rex and pagano brought here.

[CorvusCorax]

I'm glad he realizes that it's an issue. However, I expect this to be a trend here in Baltimore. With so much personnel changed out (both players and coaching), it's a given that we weren't going to be dominant. I'm just hoping that after the bye we can get back into the mix of things defensively and at least finish off middle of the pack stat-wise for the year.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1350673201' post='1195179']
Our defense doesn't suck because our players are idiots who don't know how to bring somebody down. It's because the person they're trying to bring down is a BEAST.

Tackling doesn't need to be taught at this level, but it does need to be emphasized in practice if you want to excel at it. If a team suddenly becomes poor at tackling midway through the season, it's because the coaches did a bad job in the way they emphasized it during practice. It's not because players forget how to do it. Look at teams like the 49ers. They don't miss many tackles. Is it a coincidence that they have 11 guys on the field who can all tackle? Or is it because that's what the coaches wanted to focus on?
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Keep making excuses for the players. It's hilarious.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1350675549' post='1195200']
Keep making excuses for the players. It's hilarious.
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As long as you pretend coaching doesn't matter.

[sman555555]

[quote name='ThePurpleWall' timestamp='1350631248' post='1194955']
not even,try 80% bad tackling 10% coaching,10% injuries.the players are the ones playing,not the Coaches.
[/quote]
[quote name='ThePurpleWall' timestamp='1350631248' post='1194955']
not even,try 80% bad tackling 10% coaching,10% injuries.the players are the ones playing,not the Coaches.
[/quote]

even improved tackling cant help with some of the garbage they run

[poescrows]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1350670732' post='1195163']
Not only that, but teaching a professional football player how to tackle is a joke. If you're in the NFL, you need to be able to tackle. By this point in their careers, I can't even put the blame on the position coaches. These guys have been playing ball for at least 5-8 years, and that's just the rookies. They've been playing football since they were 15 years old, if not way earlier. I can't blame their current position coaches for a skill that should have been learned in college at the latest.

If a high school or college football player can't tackle, I'd be more inclined to put some blame on the coaches. But in the NFL, the players are solely responsible for their inability to tackle.
[/quote]....................... Agreed. I also wonder how much of this is a first year product of the "no pads" practices the players union lobbied for. If you're not tackling from the end of last season all the way untill the first game of this season, wouldn't you be rusty?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1350679913' post='1195255']

As long as you pretend coaching doesn't matter.
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I never said coaching doesn't matter, it's just not the reason our defense is underperforming.

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1350667390' post='1195129']
Do you even know what a coach is for? There's more to Pees' job than to throw 11 guys on the field and expect them to be perfect.
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i dont appricate your comment and where you lead it to,

[hawkprey]

[quote name='ThePurpleWall' timestamp='1350687142' post='1195310']
i dont appricate your comment and where you lead it to,
[/quote] I'm going to assume you meant "appreciate" because I have been more critical that I should've been to people on this subject (arguing does that).

If all this is truly on the players alone, expect tackling to be an issue the rest of the season because the coaches dictate what the team works on. The good news is that coaches don't just sit on their thumbs all week and I should hope our defensive issues - now glaring - can be better worked on in practice and better emphasized.

[flynismo]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1350668756' post='1195143']
It shouldnt be to teach professional football players how to tackle, thats for damn sure. If anything poor technique falls on the position coaches not the DC.
[/quote]

Next thing you'll (incorrectly) hear is, "Well, the positional coaches are under the direction of the DC, so therefore it IS Pees' fault".

[cobrajet]

We can place blame and argue a lot of things, I just want the defense to be working overtime trying to fix things. We really need improvement in many areas and I would like to see it on Sunday.

[krrock10]

You need to win one on battles, plain and simple. If you are getting blown off the line by one man or cant get past one person to get to the QB, that is your fault.

I believe the coaches really do play a factor, but if you cant win a one on one battle, you cant blame any coach for that.

[Guest RBates]

His play calling makes me sick.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1350854731' post='1198600']
His play calling makes me sick.
[/quote]
He is terrible, flat out.
Our defensive players suck, don't get me wrong. But are we going to pretend that Seattle's personnel is that much better than ours?

[jdynamite]

If he's sick, maybe Ray Lewis can call plays for him after the bye week lol.