Ed Reed Injured Also?

[Bltravens]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1350524612' post='1193911']
No thats not true when talking about ligaments. Sprains are almost always tears unless it is very minor, the severity of the sprain is based on if it is partial or full tear.

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Yes but I believe, for instance, a grade 1 sprain is simply just a sprain without tearing. I obviously don't know what level Ngata has and even if it was a level 3 (full tear) they would likely say "sprain" anyways.

[-Truth-]

Just curious, but has anyone confirmed whether this was directly from the Dallas game, or something he's been dealing with since prior to that? I don't believe that he indicated when it occurred, and I would assume he would've been on the injury report, unless this is the first time he's ever made light of it. If it did happen earlier, perhaps his play won't waver too much from what we've already seen.

[The Raven]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1350520092' post='1193861']
This is about the last thing we need, at least the other players who have gone down have semi-competent replacements
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Reed's replacement may not be as good in coverage, but he's likely to be a better tackler. Then again, I believe Considine is his back up. In that case, the secondary is doomed. Good luck Pollard!

[The Raven]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1350522771' post='1193892']
Wow, am I scared if Considine has to come in. I hope Chris Thompson would be the back-up.

Not sure why you think Chykie Brown/Corey Graham arent talented. Chykie had really nice coverage against Dallas, and that PI was a horrible call.
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Please let it be Thompson!!! Please not Considine!

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1350524785' post='1193912']
Yes but I believe, for instance, a grade 1 sprain is simply just a sprain without tearing. I obviously don't know what level Ngata has and even if it was a level 3 (full tear) they would likely say "sprain" anyways.
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I have read multiple sources saying it was a tear.

[rlh445]

When is Reed not hurt? I haven't seen the Edster completely healthy since what, the first game this season when he was laying the wood down on the Bengals? He's a trooper, at this point he's probably used to feeling some sort of hurt somewhere. He'll be okay and I trust he'll make the plays when it counts, shoulder or no shoulder.

Oh and for what it's worth, I like Chykie and think he'll be fine too but that PI call was pretty standard..he lost a step and threw his hands up into the face of the receiver. Like Billick said, you can look back all you want but when your hand is in the faceguard, you're gonna get called for it.

[RavensAllTheWay]

For what it's worth, everyone seems to be forgetting about Ihedigbo. I must say, our secondary has been on a roller coaster ride. It's a shame Cook got hurt in PS (which is probably why we signed Ihedigbo) because a lot of people seemed high on him as Eds backup.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1350522771' post='1193892']
Wow, am I scared if Considine has to come in. I hope Chris Thompson would be the back-up.

Not sure why you think Chykie Brown/Corey Graham arent talented. Chykie had really nice coverage against Dallas, and that PI was a horrible call.
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It will be Considine if Reed is unable to play. His been in active roster since preseason 1. Whether he makes a mistake or not (and he made way too many already), he seems like a 'harbaugh's' guy that can't be taken out.

[The Raven]

Reed has shown that his injury renders him almost completely unable to tackle effectively, thus making him a liability on the field. A defender that can't tackle effectively is not a defender; he's a glorified cone. It's obvious that the injury is affecting him in a negative way, and it's only hurting himself and the team. Can we get Ihedigbo out there for a few games? I don't want Reed getting injured further, nor do I want him to continue missing tackles. Bring on the negs...

[gabefergy]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1350533353' post='1193999']
Reed has shown that his injury renders him almost completely unable to tackle effectively, thus making him a liability on the field. A defender that can't tackle effectively is not a defender; he's a glorified cone. It's obvious that the injury is affecting him in a negative way, and it's only hurting himself and the team. Can we get Ihedigbo out there for a few games? I don't want Reed getting injured further, nor do I want him to continue missing tackles. Bring on the negs...
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Ok I'll start. We cant take Ed Reed off the field. This isnt an injury that affects his ability to do anything, it's really just pain. We absolutely need his leadership out there.

[The Raven]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1350534165' post='1194000']
Ok I'll start. We cant take Ed Reed off the field. This isnt an injury that affects his ability to do anything, it's really just pain. We absolutely need his leadership out there.
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When was the last game he made a good, solid, wrap up tackle that wasn't embarrassing to watch? I'll admit we need his leadership, but we missed 14 tackles last week. That's atrocious! It's not like he's helping with that number.

Football is a physical game that requires you to be able to hit and tackle on defense. When your ability to do that is hindered, I personally don't think you should be on the field.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1350534448' post='1194003']
When was the last game he made a good, solid, wrap up tackle that wasn't embarrassing to watch? I'll admit we need his leadership, but we missed 14 tackles last week. That's atrocious! It's not like he's helping with that number.

Football is a physical game that requires you to be able to hit and tackle on defense. When your ability to do that is hindered, I personally don't think you should be on the field.
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Well, thankfully what you personally think doesnt affect if our best "healthy" defender plays or not. I don't care if he can or can't make a perfect form tackle. He needs to be out there. He is still getting the job done, and Ed Reed at 75% is better than any other option we have.

[Militant X 1]

let Thompson fill in for Ed Reed "if" or when needed. we'll be fine!

~Mili

[The Raven]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1350534789' post='1194005']
Well, thankfully what you personally think doesnt affect if our best "healthy" defender plays or not. I don't care if he can or can't make a perfect form tackle. He needs to be out there. He is still getting the job done, and Ed Reed at 75% is better than any other option we have.
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Sorry, I don't classify 14 missed tackles as getting the job done. those weren't all Reed, but he's missed quite a few. I want to rest Reed's shoulder a few games and let Ihedigbo get some PT. He's a better tackler, from what I understand.

I have nothing against Reed personally, but the past few weeks his tackling has been beyond suspect. If injury is the root of the problem, logic says to rest the injury.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1350535147' post='1194010']
Sorry, I don't classify 14 missed tackles as getting the job done. those weren't all Reed, but he's missed quite a few. I want to rest Reed's shoulder a few games and let Ihedigbo get some PT. He's a better tackler, from what I understand.

I have nothing against Reed personally, but the past few weeks his tackling has been beyond suspect. If injury is the root of the problem, logic says to rest the injury.
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Ihedigbo would be a disaster. 14 missed tackles certainly are not all on Reed! Lewis, Pollard, McClain, Ellerbe, Kruger, Smith they are all missing tackles. We had a bad game collectively, but it will be fixed. I predict a very strong defensive performance against Houston.

[The Raven]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1350535472' post='1194013']
Ihedigbo would be a disaster. 14 missed tackles certainly are not all on Reed! Lewis, Pollard, McClain, Ellerbe, Kruger, Smith they are all missing tackles. We had a bad game collectively, but it will be fixed. I predict a very strong defensive performance against Houston.
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I never said they were all on Reed, but he's a contributor! We'll have to agree to disagree on Reed.

I agree though; I think we'll see an improved defense form this point on. The injuries may inspire the players to play better.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Our defense need to play smart this weekend. The longer our defense stays on field, more likely injuries happens and prolong injuries. Force a quick 3& out and let the offense stay on field

[ravensdfan]

We still have Omar Brown on the PS. Bring him up. If this is anything hampering we're going to need him. I do not have confidence in Considine nor the other one (yeah it's late, I didn't want to look up the spelling okay?lol)

Of course, they could surprise.

[BloodRaven]

Next week: Yanda, Rice, Flacco

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1350540175' post='1194038']
Next week: Yanda, Rice, Flacco
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hey now.

[HoldingCall]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1350520092' post='1193861']
This is about the last thing we need, at least the other players who have gone down have semi-competent replacements
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Where is Omar? We need more of that preseason turnover performance. The team is currently +7 in turnovers which has a lot to do with our 5-1 record. I thought I'd never admit it but other than the turnovers our defense is being routed.

Now, injuries have taken over so yep, things can even get worst. We need those turnovers! Unfortunately turnovers are not guaranteed.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1350534448' post='1194003']
When was the last game he made a good, solid, wrap up tackle that wasn't embarrassing to watch? I'll admit we need his leadership, but we missed 14 tackles last week. That's atrocious! It's not like he's helping with that number.

Football is a physical game that requires you to be able to hit and tackle on defense. When your ability to do that is hindered, I personally don't think you should be on the field.
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I think this is an overstatement. While one of them was flagged for a penalty, his hits against New England showed that his physicality hasn't completely diminished. Yes, we missed 14 tackles, which was an awful display. However, Reed accounted for just 2 of them. He was tied with Jameel McClain and Cary Williams, who were all outdone by Jimmy Smith's 3. Reed has missed 8 tackles on the year. This is a high number. No question about it. But Smith is right behind him with 6 and Webb is behind them with 5. Granted that Webb is obviously a much, much superior tackler, but he hasn't been entirely flawless. Your potential solution of James Ihedigbo wouldn't be much of an upgrade in run support, given that he's missed 3 tackles in just 92 snaps, averaging a missed attempt every 30.7 snaps, while Reed's averaged one every 57. And it's not as if he's the absolute worst in this category. In fact, there are 22 Safeties in the NFL with 5 or more missed tackles. With that being said, Reed is still an elite pass defender, allowing just 10 receptions on 19 targets, with 3 INTs and a QB rating of 35.1. I believe that he's our best option moving forward, especially if he continues to cover as well as he has.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1350534448' post='1194003']
When was the last game he made a good, solid, wrap up tackle that wasn't embarrassing to watch? I'll admit we need his leadership, but we missed 14 tackles last week. That's atrocious! It's not like he's helping with that number.

Football is a physical game that requires you to be able to hit and tackle on defense. When your ability to do that is hindered, I personally don't think you should be on the field.
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I think this is an overstatement. While one of them was flagged for a penalty, his hits against New England showed that his physicality hasn't completely diminished. Yes, we missed 14 tackles, which was an awful display. However, Reed accounted for just 2 of them. He was tied with Jameel McClain and Cary Williams, who were all outdone by Jimmy Smith's 3. Reed has missed 8 tackles on the year. This is a high number. No question about it. But Smith is right behind him with 6 and Lardarius Webb is behind them with 5. Granted that Webb is obviously a much, much superior tackler, but he hasn't been entirely flawless. Your potential solution of James Ihedigbo wouldn't be much of an upgrade in run support, given that he's missed 3 tackles in just 92 snaps, averaging a missed attempt every 30.7 snaps, while Reed's averaged one every 57. And it's not as if he's the absolute worst in this category. In fact, there are 22 Safeties in the NFL with 5 or more missed tackles. With that being said, Reed is still an elite pass defender, allowing just 10 receptions on 19 targets, with 2 INTs and a QB rating of 35.1. Barring a significant decline from this point, I believe that he's our best option moving forward, especially if he continues to cover as well as he has.

[jus'_crAzy]

Ed was on 105.7 last night. He said it was a tear.

[b]Did someone break a mirror or desecrate a sacred burial ground?[/b]

[HoldingCall]

Our defensive is losing the ability to battle effectively. Turnovers have saved a few games for us in spite of other defensive stats. Where's Omar? Preseason may have been just good luck on his part but isn't that what we need?

[Tank 92]

Ed has been beat up in one way or another for the past 3 years. It seems he picks and chooses when to go full tilt and when to try to save his damaged body. I have to say, watching him last week reminded me of the games last year when he just seemed to purposely whiff as if he couldn't take the impacts.

[KillaBirdTJ]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1350540175' post='1194038']
Next week: Yanda, Rice, Flacco
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What up Blood?! Can you please explain?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='KillaBirdTJ' timestamp='1350572497' post='1194174']


What up Blood?! Can you please explain?
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It should be obvious....I dont want to explain to further the jinx that is his post.

[BloodRaven]

It's funny because I don't remember all our best defensive players on the cover of Madden.

[omar586]

the ravens needs to rest the injured starter now, u got haloti, reed, jimmy smith, b/c if we make the playoffs we need them when it counts, we have decent back-ups to take care of business now.