Game Plan for Rest of Season

[3-4ravdef509]

Obviously, barring some miracle, the quote on quote Ravens style of playing football isn't coming back anytime soon, considering how poorly the defense looked before we suffered all these injuries, and now adding that to the already known absence of Suggs and Pagano.

So, the good news is that we're 5-1, and have a comfortable lead in our division. The bad news is that there is a lot of uncertainty of how we are going to compete these remaining 10 games.

I've studied what we do well, and what we don't, and this is my conclusion, and I'll show how I come up with it. And this is just for fun, I by no means am an expert, and I don't want this to turn into an ugly thread where we beat up on each others ideas. Just one man's opinion, wondering what others think of it, and what their opinions are.

Now that the disclaimer is out there...

On offense, we look better than we have ever in the Harbaugh era, and for that matter the only time I remember having an offense close to this was in 1996-97 when we first got to Baltimore.

The Good: Flacco is on pace for a personal record setting year. He looks sharper than ever. He's been fitting tight throws to receivers all over the field. I was concerned with the four game streak of throwing an int, but he didn't throw one on Sunday, and I think his ball security is fine, especially the fumblitus from alst year that he seems to have gotten over so far. The only critique I have for him is that he should take off and run more often. If Dicksi=on wouldn't have dropped a could passes on Sunday, Flacco could have had two, maybe even three touchdown passes (one drive ended by a drop on his part I think.) And last week drops by Boldin and Leach cost him yards and at least 1 touchdown. Sometimes his throws can be a little erratic, where he loses his mechanics and delivers a inaccurate throw, but the difference that Caldwel as made in his delievery is very apparant.

Rice is being extremely efficient, on the ground and through the air. Our receivers look amazing. We're very balanced, running and passing at different phases of the game to move the ball. The line has exceeded expectations minus one bad hiccup in Kansas City. Oher completely neutralized Ware on Sunday, his only sack came off of Williams. Pitta is money.

We're on pace for 96 explosive plays (plays that gain 20 or more yards)...that's more than the 2001 greatest show on turf. We currently have 33?

The Bad: 3rd down conversions, not very good although Sunday we showed improvement, especially picking up short ones running the ball (thank you Cam!). We even picked up a couple long ones. But consistency throughout the rest of the season is needed, especially with our defense struggling.

Dickson continues to drop easy passes....

Cam Cameron is like Jackel and Hyde with his playcalling...

Penalties are a little ridiculous...

Sometimes we need to pick up 1 -4 yards, and we bomb it 30 yards down the field.......

Defense:

The good: turnovers.

The bad: yes.

Special Teams: Jones, Tucker yes. Ayenbadejo, come on man...

So, obviously we all know the obvious, that special teams and offense are the strength of our football team now, and the defense most likely is not going to make much improvement with an injured Ngata, and having Lewis and Webb out. Obviously, game plans are team specific, but a general base plan for success should be as follows:

1.) Score early (and often) but most importantly early. We've proven we can play from behind, but I feel safer with our defense playing from a lead. We have 6 total points on opening drives this year. That's not acceptable. It's important to score whenever you can, but especially on our first three drives, let's at least get a couple of field goals and a quick seven.

2.) Play to strengths on offense. Ray Rice really should be getting 15+ touches a game. Note, I said touches, not rushing attempts. And more importantly, we should on at least 5 or six plays a game try getting him in open space with blockers in front of him. Not that he can't run in between the tackles, but Pierce has shown she's able to do that as well, so let's not where Rice out, but rather put him where he's the most dangerous.

3.) Limit turnovers. Especially on our side of the field. This is always a goal, but we can't rely on our defense as much as years past to bail us out when Flacco throws a dumb pick or somebody fumbles. I know turnovers will happen, but we need to know when to be aggresive, and when not to put our defense in a situation where they're set up to fail.

4 and 5.) Big plays are nice, and we've shown we can get them often. I don't want to take that away from our offense. But, coverting for first downs, especially on 3rd down, is also a big priority. Take out shots down the field, but be smart about what down it is, and save our best plays for converting when we really need to.

6.) Play aggresive on defense. Face it, we're going to give up a lot of yards on defense this year. So, instead of sitting back and letting teams operate on schedule, let's be aggresive at the point of attack and try to disrupt the timing and flow of the opposing team's offense. This is a teaser into...

7.) Go for turnovers. This is our best chance at getting the bal back to our offense more often, and coming up with stops. The Cowboys scored on every possession except 4: one of those was the end of the first half, one punt, the missed field goal and the interception. Basically, think Saints defense of 2010 (minus bounties) giving up yards but being opportunistic.

8.) Tackle, tackle, tackle. Go for strips, but only after you know you're going to stop the defender.

9.) Stop the run. We can't let teams pass and run all over us, so let's scheme specifically to stop the run, even if it means sacrificing a bit on the back end. At least the extra pressure up front will also be applied to the qb. Playing back hasn't helped us stop the pass, and certainly up front we can't contain the run like we used to.

10.) Jones the return kicks, yes. Good idea.

11.) Refine no huddle so we have hand signals down completely so it doesn't get ditched for loud away games.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

love your enthusiasm man, especially on a day like today, keep it up

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='horus13corvineus' timestamp='1350336055' post='1191555']
love your enthusiasm man, especially on a day like today, keep it up
[/quote]

Thanks. It's either that or cry for hours about losing Ray Ray...I really want to believe we'll see him play again, but my mind says its not likely.

[Yatagarasu]

We will be a playoff team.

End of story.

Now will we be a Championship team?

That's another story.

[display name]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1350335125' post='1191524']
Obviously, barring some miracle, the quote on quote Ravens style of playing football isn't coming back anytime soon, considering how poorly the defense looked before we suffered all these injuries, and now adding that to the already known absence of Suggs and Pagano.

So, the good news is that we're 5-1, and have a comfortable lead in our division. The bad news is that there is a lot of uncertainty of how we are going to compete these remaining 10 games.

I've studied what we do well, and what we don't, and this is my conclusion, and I'll show how I come up with it. And this is just for fun, I by no means am an expert, and I don't want this to turn into an ugly thread where we beat up on each others ideas. Just one man's opinion, wondering what others think of it, and what their opinions are.

Now that the disclaimer is out there...

On offense, we look better than we have ever in the Harbaugh era, and for that matter the only time I remember having an offense close to this was in 1996-97 when we first got to Baltimore.

The Good: Flacco is on pace for a personal record setting year. He looks sharper than ever. He's been fitting tight throws to receivers all over the field. I was concerned with the four game streak of throwing an int, but he didn't throw one on Sunday, and I think his ball security is fine, especially the fumblitus from alst year that he seems to have gotten over so far. The only critique I have for him is that he should take off and run more often. If Dicksi=on wouldn't have dropped a could passes on Sunday, Flacco could have had two, maybe even three touchdown passes (one drive ended by a drop on his part I think.) And last week drops by Boldin and Leach cost him yards and at least 1 touchdown. Sometimes his throws can be a little erratic, where he loses his mechanics and delivers a inaccurate throw, but the difference that Caldwel as made in his delievery is very apparant.

Rice is being extremely efficient, on the ground and through the air. Our receivers look amazing. We're very balanced, running and passing at different phases of the game to move the ball. The line has exceeded expectations minus one bad hiccup in Kansas City. Oher completely neutralized Ware on Sunday, his only sack came off of Williams. Pitta is money.

We're on pace for 96 explosive plays (plays that gain 20 or more yards)...that's more than the 2001 greatest show on turf. We currently have 33?

The Bad: 3rd down conversions, not very good although Sunday we showed improvement, especially picking up short ones running the ball (thank you Cam!). We even picked up a couple long ones. But consistency throughout the rest of the season is needed, especially with our defense struggling.

Dickson continues to drop easy passes....

Cam Cameron is like Jackel and Hyde with his playcalling...

Penalties are a little ridiculous...

Sometimes we need to pick up 1 -4 yards, and we bomb it 30 yards down the field.......

Defense:

The good: turnovers.

The bad: yes.

Special Teams: Jones, Tucker yes. Ayenbadejo, come on man...

So, obviously we all know the obvious, that special teams and offense are the strength of our football team now, and the defense most likely is not going to make much improvement with an injured Ngata, and having Lewis and Webb out. Obviously, game plans are team specific, but a general base plan for success should be as follows:

1.) Score early (and often) but most importantly early. We've proven we can play from behind, but I feel safer with our defense playing from a lead. We have 6 total points on opening drives this year. That's not acceptable. It's important to score whenever you can, but especially on our first three drives, let's at least get a couple of field goals and a quick seven.

2.) Play to strengths on offense. Ray Rice really should be getting 15+ touches a game. Note, I said touches, not rushing attempts. And more importantly, we should on at least 5 or six plays a game try getting him in open space with blockers in front of him. Not that he can't run in between the tackles, but Pierce has shown she's able to do that as well, so let's not where Rice out, but rather put him where he's the most dangerous.

3.) Limit turnovers. Especially on our side of the field. This is always a goal, but we can't rely on our defense as much as years past to bail us out when Flacco throws a dumb pick or somebody fumbles. I know turnovers will happen, but we need to know when to be aggresive, and when not to put our defense in a situation where they're set up to fail.

4 and 5.) Big plays are nice, and we've shown we can get them often. I don't want to take that away from our offense. But, coverting for first downs, especially on 3rd down, is also a big priority. Take out shots down the field, but be smart about what down it is, and save our best plays for converting when we really need to.

6.) Play aggresive on defense. Face it, we're going to give up a lot of yards on defense this year. So, instead of sitting back and letting teams operate on schedule, let's be aggresive at the point of attack and try to disrupt the timing and flow of the opposing team's offense. This is a teaser into...

7.) Go for turnovers. This is our best chance at getting the bal back to our offense more often, and coming up with stops. The Cowboys scored on every possession except 4: one of those was the end of the first half, one punt, the missed field goal and the interception. Basically, think Saints defense of 2010 (minus bounties) giving up yards but being opportunistic.

8.) Tackle, tackle, tackle. Go for strips, but only after you know you're going to stop the defender.

9.) Stop the run. We can't let teams pass and run all over us, so let's scheme specifically to stop the run, even if it means sacrificing a bit on the back end. At least the extra pressure up front will also be applied to the qb. Playing back hasn't helped us stop the pass, and certainly up front we can't contain the run like we used to.

10.) Jones the return kicks, yes. Good idea.

11.) Refine no huddle so we have hand signals down completely so it doesn't get ditched for loud away games.
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Like it. Also, with the exception of a couple games, our D has done a good job of limiting overall points, not sure how much longer that will last though.
If we can't stop a 3rd RB, how on Earth will we stop Arion Foster?
The times have really changed.

[display name]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1350336234' post='1191562']
Thanks. It's either that or cry for hours about losing Ray Ray...I really want to believe we'll see him play again, but my mind says its not likely.
[/quote]
Only a partial tear was reported. He'll miss a few games, but I heard it's possible we'll see him again. Possibly as soon as week 9.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1350336616' post='1191581']
Only a partial tear was reported. He'll miss a few games, but I heard it's possible we'll see him again. Possibly as soon as week 9.
[/quote]

I got a text an hour ago that said both Ray and Webb are done for the season. Official Ravens text

[display name]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1350336718' post='1191588']
I got a text an hour ago that said both Ray and Webb are done for the season. Official Ravens text
[/quote]
Nevermind then.
Edit: The best defensive player in NFL history likely just played his last game. Hats off everyone. Literally.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1350336743' post='1191590']
Nevermind then.
Edit: The best defensive player in NFL history just played his last game. Hats off everyone. Literally.
[/quote]

Im wearing my black-out ravens hat in mourning.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1350336743' post='1191590']
Nevermind then.
Edit: The best defensive player in NFL history just played his last game. Hats off everyone. Literally.
[/quote]
Thats not for sure.

[Gordo52]

Gameplan for rest of season: Just win baby.

[Tank 92]

I like this plan.

You never know.......All of the adversity could prove to be a catalyst to move us to another level. Hopefully that move is up.

[display name]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1350336913' post='1191598']
Thats not for sure.
[/quote]
This late in his career, I don't think we'll see him play again.

[sman555555]

we've got our work cut out now...

[Gordo52]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1350337152' post='1191612']
This late in his career, I don't think we'll see him play again.
[/quote]
Never, ever count Ray Lewis out of anything.

[big hits and ball hawks]

I believe we can fill the holes left by Lewis and Webb with in house talent. It will probably be a "by committee" type thing. I have some simple, quick hits that probably restate some things you said.

- O-line needs to really step up, create holes for the RBs, and keep Joe upright. This would apply regardless of the injuries, but since the defense is weaker, this point is all the more important since the O is most likely going to have to carry the team.

- WRs/TEs need to get better separation and Joe has to make good decisions. I also think he should run more.

- Next man up on defense, Pees will probably have to get more creative. We may have a stud waiting in the wings though.

- Special teams keep on keeping on. Just fall on the ball next time.

- Be disciplined, we have to cut down on penalties. This might be the most important thing.

[Marcus]

Hold hands and pray.

[redrum52]

I say die by bumping and blitzing. Our lbs can't cover so dont waste the time having them doing it. Let them hunt. At this point we need to let Kindle in on pass situations and pray for the best. Let Reed play center field or cover up for Cary and try Jimmy 1-1 in press occasionally. Have our guys move around at the line and keep a steady rotation on the d line. I wouldn't even keep McPhee on the field for first downs. It's time to they something new cause the old isn't working. Try and keep the little bit of pass rush we have fresh. Also I would use Pollard like a lb and start bringing other safeties/corners in for passing situations. I don't care what anyone says. This team is good enough to win a chip and better not let this get in their way. Everyone claiming how great a coach Harbs is I guess we get to see now. I'm very interested to see how this team responds to this adversity.

[gabefergy]

Score more points than our opponents!

I agree though. Our offense is going to have stay efficient and explosive. Maybe try to run a few more plays/ clock when possible.

Our defense is going to have to fully embrace the bend but dont break approach. If we can force some turnovers and hold opposing teams to FGs we will be OK.

[PolishRifle]

What stands out this season is, that everyone on offense is improving almost on game-to-game basis. 3rd down conversion, reads, overall mechanics, basically everything gets better with every game we play.
Remember, when we were worried about press man-to-man converage? Yeah, that was [b]last week[/b]. Crazy.
It goes to show, that the team heading into the season will be tested and changed as the season goes along.

I am not really worried about the loss of Lewis. He still can be an emotional leader from the sidelines and we have seen others stepping up for him in that 4 game stretch last year, when Ray was out, because of the toe injury. Losing Webb hurts, but as long as Ngata is on D I am still confident we will be able to make plays on defense. His loss was a potential disaster.

This might be my fav. Ravens team ever. I know, the injuries suck, but the poise, the fighting spirit, the tenacity of this team is just inspiring. With all the setbacks these guys had to deal with, they still play great football.
Suggs (our best player on D) was out before the season even started, Art (the man who gave us the Ravens) passed away, we had to play 4 games in 17 days (only one other team in the history of pro football had to go through that) against some great teams, having to bounce back from that bitter defeat in Philly, Torrey's loss, that emotional AFCCG rematch, dealing with the struggles in KC and still pulling off a vitory and now we lose Lewis and Webb.
And yet they fight and win one game at a time. Never did I want a team to win a championship so much.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1350336365' post='1191570']
We will be a playoff team.

End of story.

Now will we be a Championship team?

That's another story.
[/quote]
If Ngata had a season ending injury no. Webbs loss isn't big, he was the nickle corner. Grahm played that role well, and shut Ogeltree down. If anything Lewis as a DCordinator may take us to the SB. And you beat me to this. SMFH

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1350345867' post='1191869']
If Ngata had a season ending injury no. Webbs loss isn't big, he was the nickle corner. Grahm played that role well, and shut Ogeltree down. If anything Lewis as a DCordinator may take us to the SB. And you beat me to this. SMFH
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Webb was the #1 corner, he was not the nickel. He slides inside on 3 WR sets because of how versatile he is. You can't replace Webb's coverage ability in the slot combined with his blitz ability. He was the best corner on the team, point blank and one of the best in the entire AFC.

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='horus13corvineus' timestamp='1350336055' post='1191555']
love your enthusiasm man, especially on a day like today, keep it up
[/quote]
I agree! We gotta keep in good spirits.

[Bltravens]

Taking the 2010 Saints approach may not be a bad idea. Just blitz and blitz and blitz teams into turnovers (while giving up yards and points) but would also equal more possessions for the offense to score.

The rest of this season isn't going to be pretty, I think we all need to just accept that. We are going to win some absolute shootouts and lose some shootouts.

[ravefan52]

Everything will be on the offense. This is Joe's chance to become that Brady Rodgers type. I think he will do it. I think we will for sure make the playoffs, but we will need a lot of guys to step up big time to get to the Super Bowl.

[Greatness]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1350345867' post='1191869']
If Ngata had a season ending injury no.[b] Webbs loss isn't big,[/b] he was the nickle corner. Grahm played that role well, and shut Ogeltree down. If anything Lewis as a DCordinator may take us to the SB. And you beat me to this. SMFH
[/quote]

Credibility = Loss

[Ravensfan23]

I think the 2 people who have the greatest opportunity is Harbs and Flacco. I've never seen two men have so much success, but get so little credit. People say Harbs fell into a great team and Flacoo only wins because of defense. Well both guys now have the chance to prove their worth even more imo. Nationally.

I think what the Ravens should do at LB is, switch McClellan back to ILB and re-sign Nigel Carr or best vet available. This will bring much more physicality back to the inside of our defense on rushing downs. Ellerbe and B.A are better using speed to get to the ball. That's good in Nickle defense, but big boy football requires thumpers. Although all undraft, I think McClellan, McClain and Carr would really help our run defense inside. Does anyone know if Josh Bynes was our designated IR guy?

With this move it opens up the OLB position. We have to activate both Kindle and Hamilton, I know they may not be ready for special teams or practicing well, but we need help in that area and both guys can at least keep fresh bodies rushing the QB. Also when we do play Kindle, stop putting his hand in the dirt. I'm not sure about Hamilton, but none of our other OLBs are hand in the dirt guys. Our defense was considered a hybrid because of Sizzle's ability to stand or put his hand in the dirt, the reason he's consider special is because everybody can't do that.

I think we need to do away with the notion that we are a hybrid defense and just focus on one primary base. To be honest, Ngata is so athletic, I would flirt with putting him at the 5 tech, Cody at NT and Kemo at the 3. Add Hall to the line because he's explovise and keep Jones/Mcphee in a rotational position. Don't think those guys are ready to start.

There isn't a RT in the NFL who can handle Ngata man on man, so that's a instant matchup advantage. Cody and Kemo just have to get tougher. With this alingment, your 4 backers are Kruger, McClain, McClellan, Upshaw. The only weak link against the run would be Kruger and he actually showed signs of improvement vs KC. Also with this base, you'd be able to get after the QB with the 4 LBs. It'd be much like the Steelers approach. We are good enough to win indvidual battles in the front 7 so we have to get creative, more twist, stunts, games etc.

Its sounds crazy, but I'm not to worried about the secondary. Webb is our best guy back their, but because we don't mix and match, teams were still able to get their top WR matched up on either Jimmy or Cary on the outise. So the conbination of Graham and Brown should be just fine in the slot, but nothing has changed with Cary and Jimmy. They have to play better.

Ok now here is where I get all the negs and dirty looks. I don't think the Ravens will miss Ray Lewis. Ray's play, for whatever reason has declined this year and understanably so. Even with the lost weight, he seems considerably slower and often has been lost in zone coverage. Yes he's leading the team in tackles, but it's 3-4 yards downfield. We won't miss his emotional leadership and preperation because he'll still be in meetings, practice and on the sidelines. Hell we might actually gain the best defense coordinator any team could ask for, which would be of much help to Pees.

I actually think the losses will make guys focus on their jobs even more and sharpen up on the details of their game, making them better.

So if I had to lay out a gameplan for the rest of the season, I wouldn't need to because Flacco already did. Stay aggressive on offense and don't rely on the defense to win it. The D will just have to come up with one or two key stops in big games to put the ball back in Joe's hands.

[3-4ravdef509]

Joe's really going to be in the crucible from this point on. He really can't afford to have bad games. He can have average ok games as long as Rice is picking up the slack, but Flacco can't throw in one of those scratch your head performances. The offense as a whole can't do that. We can't put up 9 points and expect to win.

I love how Joe is sharper this year and fitting the ball into tight spaces, but Cam needs to dial up the play calling to give Joe more "easy" completions. This will a.) give Joe more confidence b.) pick up easy yards and c.) keep the defense from playing too far back to avoid the deep ball. So, perfect example, I'd love to see Pitta and Boldin on more shallow crossing routes, and even Smith on more screens.

Also, Joe should throw the back shoulder more often when receivers are going deep and covered. He does it occasionally, I'd love to see him do it more, like Rodgers was diong a bunch last year.

I know we'll probably lose a few games because it's impossible to win shootouts every time. But as long as we're competitive I'm fine. I hate when our offense in years past would roll over during a tough outing.

I love the idea of putting Ngata on a tackle. I do that in Madden alot, it's one of our 3-4 stack formations. It's great against the pass and runs to the outside, though sometimes if you're not very stout in the middle you can get burned on a simple iso run, but thenn again we're getting burned anyway

[The Raven]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1350388094' post='1192350']
I think the 2 people who have the greatest opportunity is Harbs and Flacco. I've never seen two men have so much success, but get so little credit. People say Harbs fell into a great team and Flacoo only wins because of defense. Well both guys now have the chance to prove their worth even more imo. Nationally.

I think what the Ravens should do at LB is, switch McClellan back to ILB and re-sign Nigel Carr or best vet available. This will bring much more physicality back to the inside of our defense on rushing downs. Ellerbe and B.A are better using speed to get to the ball. That's good in Nickle defense, but big boy football requires thumpers. Although all undraft, I think McClellan, McClain and Carr would really help our run defense inside. Does anyone know if Josh Bynes was our designated IR guy?

With this move it opens up the OLB position. We have to activate both Kindle and Hamilton, I know they may not be ready for special teams or practicing well, but we need help in that area and both guys can at least keep fresh bodies rushing the QB. Also when we do play Kindle, stop putting his hand in the dirt. I'm not sure about Hamilton, but none of our other OLBs are hand in the dirt guys. Our defense was considered a hybrid because of Sizzle's ability to stand or put his hand in the dirt, the reason he's consider special is because everybody can't do that.

I think we need to do away with the notion that we are a hybrid defense and just focus on one primary base. To be honest, Ngata is so athletic, I would flirt with putting him at the 5 tech, Cody at NT and Kemo at the 3. Add Hall to the line because he's explovise and keep Jones/Mcphee in a rotational position. Don't think those guys are ready to start.

There isn't a RT in the NFL who can handle Ngata man on man, so that's a instant matchup advantage. Cody and Kemo just have to get tougher. With this alingment, your 4 backers are Kruger, McClain, McClellan, Upshaw. The only weak link against the run would be Kruger and he actually showed signs of improvement vs KC. Also with this base, you'd be able to get after the QB with the 4 LBs. It'd be much like the Steelers approach. [b]We are good enough to win indvidual battles in the front 7 [/b]so we have to get creative, more twist, stunts, games etc.

Its sounds crazy, but I'm not to worried about the secondary. Webb is our best guy back their, but because we don't mix and match, teams were still able to get their top WR matched up on either Jimmy or Cary on the outise. So the conbination of Graham and Brown should be just fine in the slot, but nothing has changed with Cary and Jimmy. They have to play better.

Ok now here is where I get all the negs and dirty looks. I don't think the Ravens will miss Ray Lewis. Ray's play, for whatever reason has declined this year and understanably so. Even with the lost weight, he seems considerably slower and often has been lost in zone coverage. Yes he's leading the team in tackles, but it's 3-4 yards downfield. We won't miss his emotional leadership and preperation because he'll still be in meetings, practice and on the sidelines. Hell we might actually gain the best defense coordinator any team could ask for, which would be of much help to Pees.

I actually think the losses will make guys focus on their jobs even more and sharpen up on the details of their game, making them better.

So if I had to lay out a gameplan for the rest of the season, I wouldn't need to because Flacco already did. Stay aggressive on offense and don't rely on the defense to win it. The D will just have to come up with one or two key stops in big games to put the ball back in Joe's hands.
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Since when?!

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1350393772' post='1192389']


Since when?!
[/quote]

It was supposed to read aren't, which is why I followed by saying we need to run twist, stunts and other games.