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We are [i]still[/i] talking about this?

[K-Dog]

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We are [i]still[/i] talking about this?
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Forever.

[display name]

[quote name='Halden52' timestamp='1351525692' post='1205448']
it really isn't right to blame Pees for the D. every team that has a new coordinator normally has a slow start. our players are good enough that it'll bounce back after these first few weeks
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Did Pagano start slow?
But I agree, Pees is not to blame for this.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351491767' post='1205326']


They also put up 34 points on our number 2 D last year. One game is not an indicator of an offense's overall ability.
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I know they did. But in case you missed it, debate was about Norv Turner replacing Cam Cameron as Offensive Coordinator.

[The Raven]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1351563982' post='1205939']
I know they did. But in case you missed it, debate was about Norv Turner replacing Cam Cameron as Offensive Coordinator.
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In case you missed it, I was making a point about how Norv Turner's offense can put up high numbers against good defenses. It was in response to your comment about Norv's offense putting up 6 against Cleveland. Thought that much was obvious, but I guess you missed the reference.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351564550' post='1205940']


In case you missed it, I was making a point about how Norv Turner's offense can put up high numbers against good defenses. It was in response to your comment about Norv's offense putting up 6 against Cleveland. Thought that much was obvious, but I guess you missed the reference.
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Sounds like you like the idea of Norv replacing Cam, which to me is Lunatic. Cam has been bad lately, but Norv is even worse, and that's an understatement.

[jdynamite]

I was thinking of Coordinators: wonder how Hue Jackson would do? or Bill Callahan, Pete Carmichael

[The Raven]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1351567066' post='1205961']
Sounds like you like the idea of Norv replacing Cam, which to me is Lunatic. Cam has been bad lately, but Norv is even worse, and that's an understatement.
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I'm not advocating the hiring Norv Turner at all. I hate the Air Coryell. I'm just stating the obvious fact that one game in which the Chargers scoring 6 points is not concrete evidence to support your claim that Norv is a bad offensive coach. Also, Norv is better than Cam as far as offense goes. Norv may be a lackluster head coach, but from a purely offensive standpoint, he's not that bad.

I just wish we could get Chip Kelly.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351281800' post='1204215']
I really don't know what you're talking about. I don't remember ever seeing that personnel grouping on the field at the same time. Can anyone vouch for him?
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I cant find that specific scenario or personnel on film, but it wouldnt surprise me if we had that grouping on the field for a few plays at some point. It's a heavy personnel group probably due to the fact that we were being gashed by the run. I'm sure it would only be used situationally at best. It would provide absolutely zero pass-rush.

The original poster is very confused though because that personnel grouping certainly wasnt on the field after Ray got hurt. We were in nickel for most of that last drive and i think the Cowboys only ran it once after that point, and it never resulted in a negative play.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1351574625' post='1206012']


I cant find that specific scenario or personnel on film, but it wouldnt surprise me if we had that grouping on the field for a few plays at some point. It's a heavy personnel group probably due to the fact that we were being gashed by the run. I'm sure it would only be used situationally at best. It would provide absolutely zero pass-rush.

The original poster is very confused though because that personnel grouping certainly wasnt on the field after Ray got hurt. We were in nickel for most of that last drive and i think the Cowboys only ran it once after that point, and it never resulted in a negative play.
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You are the one that's confused.
First of all, Ray got hurt early in 4th quarter, so you have to start there.
Second, I never said it was during the last drive. So, the only thing correct in uour statement, is we were in the nickel for most of the LAST DRIVE.

[K-Dog]

I think some of the people HERE should polish up their resume 'and send them in because CLEARLY, they are better than Cam and Pees.

Who is going to do it?

[PurpleReign92]

A lot is riding on the Coordinators these days. They write a playbook some of them, most of them it is based off of older plays. The players usually play out of this book when it is the wrong play or the wrong book entirely it isn't the players fault. The execution of a wrong play the result is gain for your opponent and that is the Coordinators fault not the players..

[The Raven]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1351602463' post='1206059']
You are the one that's confused.
First of all, Ray got hurt early in 4th quarter, so you have to start there.
Second, I never said it was during the last drive. So, the only thing correct in uour statement, is we were in the nickel for most of the LAST DRIVE.
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Idk man. You're the only one here who seems so convinced about it. Nobody else knows what you're talking about.

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1351606443' post='1206087']
A lot is riding on the Coordinators these days. They write a playbook some of them, most of them it is based off of older plays. The players usually play out of this book when it is the wrong play or the wrong book entirely it isn't the players fault. The execution of a wrong play the result is gain for your opponent and that is the Coordinators fault not the players..
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What is this I don't even

[gabefergy]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1351602463' post='1206059']

You are the one that's confused.
First of all, Ray got hurt early in 4th quarter, so you have to start there.
Second, I never said it was during the last drive. So, the only thing correct in uour statement, is we were in the nickel for most of the LAST DRIVE.
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Well you are completely wrong. Ray was in there until about the 2 minute warning. So you can just stop now because you obviously dont know what you are talking about.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1351615740' post='1206179']

Well you are completely wrong. Ray was in there until about the 2 minute warning. So you can just stop now because you obviously dont know what you are talking about.
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I admit I should of clarify this better. I said Ray got hurt early in the 4th quarter. I should of said Ray got hurt in the 4th quarter.
I don't have the recording of this game at this time, so I can't give you exact play by play. I think Ray was on the sideline earlier than 2 min warning, how much earlier I don't know.
But I know this, the 2 plays I was reffering to were not on the last drive by Cowboys. It was on the previous drive which resulted in TD pass by Romo. Cowboys were on our side of the field, but not in red zone, when they decided to run (Murray was out of game at that point), and we made stop for loss of yard. It looked as defense was at 4-3. But Cowboys kept the drive going on the next play. Later on, we had defense again in what seemed as 4-3 scheme, and same thing happened, We Tackled The Runner For 1 Yard Loss! Was Ray on the field at that time, I don't know for sure. Was one of the plays called back because of penalty? I'm not sure, but I know we stopped them for loss TWICE in 4-3 alignment. So, I don't think it was a FLUKE,..

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351567455' post='1205965']


I'm not advocating the hiring Norv Turner at all. I hate the Air Coryell. I'm just stating the obvious fact that one game in which the Chargers scoring 6 points is not concrete evidence to support your claim that Norv is a bad offensive coach. Also, Norv is better than Cam as far as offense goes. Norv may be a lackluster head coach, but from a purely offensive standpoint, he's not that bad.

I just wish we could get Chip Kelly.
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You really want to start over with that idea. Kelly's system requires him to have a mobile QB. Kelly is a good coordinator, but runs a system for guys like Vick, or Newton. And I hate that the Bruins have to face him every year. But bad idea. Both Ryan and Joe would look horrible in that.

[The Raven]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1351645081' post='1206438']
I admit I should of clarify this better. I said Ray got hurt early in the 4th quarter. I should of said Ray got hurt in the 4th quarter.
I don't have the recording of this game at this time, so I can't give you exact play by play. I think Ray was on the sideline earlier than 2 min warning, how much earlier I don't know.
But I know this, the 2 plays I was reffering to were not on the last drive by Cowboys. It was on the previous drive which resulted in TD pass by Romo. Cowboys were on our side of the field, but not in red zone, when they decided to run (Murray was out of game at that point), and we made stop for loss of yard. It looked as defense was at 4-3. But Cowboys kept the drive going on the next play. Later on, we had defense again in what seemed as 4-3 scheme, and same thing happened, We Tackled The Runner For 1 Yard Loss! Was Ray on the field at that time, I don't know for sure. Was one of the plays called back because of penalty? I'm not sure, but I know we stopped them for loss TWICE in 4-3 alignment. So, I don't think it was a FLUKE,..
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Alright, I'm going to play along here and pretend we were in a 4-3 alignment, even though everyone and their mother knows it was a 3-4 under/hybrid defense. So, we stopped them for loss twice in a 4-3 alignment. Are you suggesting that we got those TFLs because of a 4-3 alignment?

By the way, having 4 down linemen does not always indicate a 4-3 base alignment. Just to clarify.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1351646108' post='1206448']
You really want to start over with that idea. Kelly's system requires him to have a mobile QB. Kelly is a good coordinator, but runs a system for guys like Vick, or Newton. And I hate that the Bruins have to face him every year. But bad idea. Both Ryan and Joe would look horrible in that.
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Fair enough. I don't follow college football to religiously, but their offense could be replicated with our offense. They run a zone blocking scheme which is obviously what we do. Here's a nice article on that. [url="http://fishduck.com/2012/04/coach-chip-kelly-explains-the-oregon-spread-offense/"]http://fishduck.com/2012/04/coach-chip-kelly-explains-the-oregon-spread-offense/[/url]

He states in the article that the goal of their zone read offense is to give the ball to the RB more times than not. They would prefer that the QB never has to carry the ball. Flacco can do that. Obviously, the option plays can be taken out. Do you honestly think Chip would actually run the option with Joe? Heck no! He'd modify the scheme!

I love their screen game. I wish we ran more screens. That would be nice, wouldn't it? He runs a nice spread game which would benefit Boldin and our faster WRs.

Spread + Zone scheme = Offensive Success

[gabefergy]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1351645081' post='1206438']
I admit I should of clarify this better. I said Ray got hurt early in the 4th quarter. I should of said Ray got hurt in the 4th quarter.
I don't have the recording of this game at this time, so I can't give you exact play by play. I think Ray was on the sideline earlier than 2 min warning, how much earlier I don't know.
But I know this, the 2 plays I was reffering to were not on the last drive by Cowboys. It was on the previous drive which resulted in TD pass by Romo. Cowboys were on our side of the field, but not in red zone, when they decided to run (Murray was out of game at that point), and we made stop for loss of yard. It looked as defense was at 4-3. But Cowboys kept the drive going on the next play. Later on, we had defense again in what seemed as 4-3 scheme, and same thing happened, We Tackled The Runner For 1 Yard Loss! Was Ray on the field at that time, I don't know for sure. Was one of the plays called back because of penalty? I'm not sure, but I know we stopped them for loss TWICE in 4-3 alignment. So, I don't think it was a FLUKE,..
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Well, I do have the game rewind and I went back and tried to find the personnel you were talking about. By last drive I am referring to the drive in which we gave the TD to Bryant but they failed on the 2 point conversion. We were either in our base 3-4 or nickel the entire time. You might have thought we were in a 4-3 front because in our nickel personnel we generally rush 4. There was no situation in the 4th quarter where we stopped the Cowboys for a loss against the run, and there was certainly no point where Jones (97), Kemo (96), Ngata (92), and McPhee (90) were on the field at the same time.

To clarify about when Ray got hurt, it actually happened on the last play before the 2 minute warning. He tackled the RB, not sure if it was Jones or Tanner by that point, and was on the sideline for the rest of the drive.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1351647160' post='1206457']


Well, I do have the game rewind and I went back and tried to find the personnel you were talking about. By last drive I am referring to the drive in which we gave the TD to Bryant but they failed on the 2 point conversion. We were either in our base 3-4 or nickel the entire time. You might have thought we were in a 4-3 front because in our nickel personnel we generally rush 4. There was no situation in the 4th quarter where we stopped the Cowboys for a loss against the run, and there was certainly no point where Jones (97), Kemo (96), Ngata (92), and McPhee (90) were on the field at the same time.

To clarify about when Ray got hurt, it actually happened on the last play before the 2 minute warning. He tackled the RB, not sure if it was Jones or Tanner by that point, and was on the sideline for the rest of the drive.
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Yes, you are correct, my timing is off.
Well guess what, both plays happened IN 3RD QUARTER, Sorry about that. One was with Tanner, the other was with Jones carrying the ball. Not sure if Ray was in there.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1351647160' post='1206457']


Well, I do have the game rewind and I went back and tried to find the personnel you were talking about. By last drive I am referring to the drive in which we gave the TD to Bryant but they failed on the 2 point conversion. We were either in our base 3-4 or nickel the entire time. You might have thought we were in a 4-3 front because in our nickel personnel we generally rush 4. There was no situation in the 4th quarter where we stopped the Cowboys for a loss against the run, and there was certainly no point where Jones (97), Kemo (96), Ngata (92), and McPhee (90) were on the field at the same time.

To clarify about when Ray got hurt, it actually happened on the last play before the 2 minute warning. He tackled the RB, not sure if it was Jones or Tanner by that point, and was on the sideline for the rest of the drive.
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It was on the drive which ended with Romo's 1st TD pass, I confused it with the 2nd one, for some reason. Anyway, Jones got tackled by Pollard, and Tanner got tackled by Upshaw, both for 1 yard loss.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1351649277' post='1206467']
It was on the drive which ended with Romo's 1st TD pass, I confused it with the 2nd one, for some reason. Anyway, Jones got tackled by Pollard, and Tanner got tackled by Upshaw, both for 1 yard loss.
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Both plays we were in 3-4 front. The first play it was Kemo - Cody - Jones up front and the second it was McPhee - Cody - Kemo.

[msufan]

[quote name='HoldingCall' timestamp='1351475434' post='1205235']
Could Norv Turner come to Baltimore?

Can you teach an old dog new tricks?
The Chargers scored just six points against the Browns. Norv reminds me of what we already have.
[/quote]thats exactly what I think, we would be getting rid of crap for more crap.

[msufan]

Another thing is what is with ppl thinking that chip kelly would leave Oregon to be a OC. The only reason he should leave would to be for a HC job.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1351661768' post='1206518']

Both plays we were in 3-4 front. The first play it was Kemo - Cody - Jones up front and the second it was McPhee - Cody - Kemo.
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Ok. So Ngata was not in those 2 plays? Can you see on your replay, what inebackers we had in there, and if any of them were close to the line of scrimmage. Was Lewis in there? I know we used Ellerbe and Ayandabajo on some plays in 3rd quarter.
IMHO, whatever we did on those 2 plays worked great and we need to use it more often.

[The Raven]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1351720987' post='1206855']
Ok. So Ngata was not in those 2 plays? Can you see on your replay, what inebackers we had in there, and if any of them were close to the line of scrimmage. Was Lewis in there? I know we used Ellerbe and Ayandabajo on some plays in 3rd quarter.
IMHO, [b]whatever we did on those 2 plays worked great and we need to use it more often.[/b]
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We didn't do anything special! There are no special tricks to stopping the run, no matter how many people claim there are. The "trick" to stopping the run is playing fundamentally sound defense. On those plays, our guys played with great technique and beat the offense. Simple as that!

[gabefergy]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1351720987' post='1206855']

Ok. So Ngata was not in those 2 plays? Can you see on your replay, what inebackers we had in there, and if any of them were close to the line of scrimmage. Was Lewis in there? I know we used Ellerbe and Ayandabajo on some plays in 3rd quarter.
IMHO, whatever we did on those 2 plays worked great and we need to use it more often.
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Really it was just a matter of guys doing their jobs. Nothing specifically stood out. Same LBers as usual.