Post Injury-bug Roster Moves

[The Raven]

Instead of just whining about the injuries and grieving, how about we discuss how the team could react?

The loss of Ray hurts us emotionally more than anything else. We can find another ILB who can make tackles and (attempt to) stop the run. The rumor is Ray is out of season, which would likely land him on IR. Does anybody know what Nigel Carr is up to? I think we need to bring him up from the practice squad now.

The loss of Webb is brutal, but we have more depth in the secondary than the rest of the defense. I'm not sure if it's quality depth, but Chykie played well today in my opinion. We may be seeing more of Asa Jackson and Graham with his loss. Webb will probably also be IR'd. What corners are out there who could provide further depth in the secondary?

Ngata's loss is the worst, in my opinion. He has been the lone bright spot in the front seven. He's had a MVP caliber start to his season. Our run defense has been atrocious and losing Ngata will be highly detrimental. I really have no idea how to replace him. We'll probably end up playing Arthur Jones at Ngata's spot and McPhee on the other side. We'll see more of Bryan Hall and DeAngelo Tyson now.

We'll see how it goes from here. Maybe some players actually show up and pick up some slack. Yeah, I'm looking at you McClain, Kruger, McPhee, Smith, Williams, and Cody. Time to get to work.

[rmw10]

Suggs will probably take Webb's roster spot for now. No one knows the extent of Ngata's injury at this point. I think we could see Josh Bynes back in place of Ray if he is out for the year

We'll play it by ear. I think we'll stay in house for now.

[K-Dog]

Chykie looked like an impressive rookie to me.
Between him and Smith I think we will be okay.

Lewis missed three or four games last year and Ellerbe (? Who was that? I am having a little brain fart) filled in marvously.

I doubt Nagatas season is in jeopardy.

With Webb on IR it makes it easier to get Sugges back on the roster.
David Reed comes off of PUP this week too.
I know many of us are not fans of his, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

[SecretAgentMan]

I say, we go to FA.
EJ Henderson would be a good pickup to replace Ray Ray. At CB we have good depth. DT will be a problem. How far will you all be ok with going with a trade.

[rmw10]

Suggs will likely replace Webb, for now.
Ngata is an unknown right now.
Maybe Bynes for Ray?

I think we'll stay in house for the immediate future and reevaluate in the coming weeks.

[hawkprey]

Promote Hamilton to a situational pass rusher and move McClellan to ILB.

[codizzle]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1350271361' post='1190501']
Chykie looked like an impressive rookie to me.
Between him and Smith I think we will be okay.

Lewis missed three or four games last year and Ellerbe (? Who was that? I am having a little brain fart) filled in marvously.

I doubt Nagatas season is in jeopardy.

With Webb on IR it makes it easier to get Sugges back on the roster.
David Reed comes off of PUP this week too.
I know many of us are not fans of his, but desperate times call for desperate measures.
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That was old Albert and Jameel that filled in for Ray on the inside when he went down

[The Prestige]

I empathize with a lot of your sentiments, but I refuse to say "the sky is falling" until I see someone truly stops this offense. If they have to score 55 until Suggs gets back, I think they could achieve that.

Ngata is the best DT in the NFL, yet this is what the new trade deadline is for. Maybe Jacksonville, Cleveland or KC has a DT to help in the immediate.

Unfortunately, the Titans, Buccaneers, Bills and Lions won, so they aren't in full rebuilding mode yet.

Is Ngata expected to miss more than a few weeks?

Free agent MLB E.J. Henderson has intimated that he is in great shape.

The best thing to do is sign a developmental CB or safety off another team's practice squad (maybe put Ed Reed in the slot more), sign Henderson, and look to trade for a DT. This way, the new Ravens will be up to speed by the bye, and Pees will have lots of options.

[T3hRaven]

E.J. Henderson is the only FA I can think of that might be worth considering. We won't be able to fix our problems through FA at this point in time, and I don't think we have good stock to trade outside of draft picks.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1350271664' post='1190515']
Promote Hamilton to a situational pass rusher and move McClellan to ILB.
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I was thinking earlier that we should activate Hamilton. The hype on him was his pass rushing more than run stopping, but I would do it at this point.

[ravefan52]

I say we make a trade. Doesnt have to be a big one, but get a guy who fits our defense well. I know we dont like trading draft picks and I hate it too, but if all these injuries are true this is going to be a really tough season going on

[ravensfan2424]

Assuming Webb and Lewis go on IR:

The first open roster spot will go to Suggs. Him returning will be HUGE

The second I believe should either A.) Bring up Josh Bynes to fill in at MLB B.) Sign a FA MLB or C.) Sign an OLB and move McClellan back to MLB.

Assuming Ngata has a sprained MCL, I think he'll be out 2-4 weeks. Let him rest against Texans, take off during the bye, and see what happens week 9.

The secondary doesn't need any additions....yet. They will be tested against the Texans but give them a chance. See how they do after the bye then determine the need for a FA.

This team's depth is about to be tested next Sunday, so don't write the Ravens off yet.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='ravefan52' timestamp='1350273052' post='1190554']
I say we make a trade. Doesnt have to be a big one, but get a guy who fits our defense well. I know we dont like trading draft picks and I hate it too, but if all these injuries are true this is going to be a really tough season going on
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But do we even know who fits our defense well anymore?

[ravefan52]

[url="http://thesidelineview.com/columns/caplans-nfl-corner/best-available-nfl-free-agents-defense"]http://thesidelineview.com/columns/caplans-nfl-corner/best-available-nfl-free-agents-defense[/url] Here are some FA's available

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='ravefan52' timestamp='1350273267' post='1190558']
[url="http://thesidelineview.com/columns/caplans-nfl-corner/best-available-nfl-free-agents-defense"]http://thesidelinevi...-agents-defense[/url] Here are some FA's available
[/quote]I'm intrigued by Henderson. I'm confident that Oz can find a solution. Remember the Josh WIlson trade?

[ravensfan2424]

Andre Goodman is a FA? Hmm he's not a bad option if the CB's don't work out.

[ravensfan2424]

Andre Goodman is a FA? Hmm he's not a bad option if the CB's don't work out.

[The Raven]

I think moving McClellan inside and activating Hamilton is a solid idea. With Suggs coming back soon, McClellan will be unneeded at OLB. That could stop the bleeding at ILB.

E.J. Henderson is a decent idea, but I doubt he'd fit in our scheme. He's a 4-3 type backer so I'm not sure how he does taking on and shedding blocks.

Still don't know what to do with the RE spot.

[raybaby]

[quote name='The Prestige' timestamp='1350271745' post='1190519']
I empathize with a lot of your sentiments, but I refuse to say "the sky is falling" until I see someone truly stops this offense.
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Philly? Browns? Chiefs?

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1350274282' post='1190581']
Philly? Browns? Chiefs?
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Browns?

[ravensdfan]

I hate to see Webb down for the season, but mostly for him on a personal level. He was headed for his first pro-bowl this year IMO. We have depth (and it is good depth IMO) at CB and with Suggs return, even if he is not 100%, it will help alleviate some of the pressure on the CBs. Suggs will still have to be accounted for even if he isn't 100%.

Ngata I believe will be fine. I don't think his will be anything season ending. He could possibly (just going by his lack of motion this game) miss the Houston game though. That will hurt some, no doubt.

Ray Lewis....oh Ray. We need him on the sidelines at least IMO. I'm not sure this defense in its current state can withstand the loss of his motivation and leadership. I can only hope that his injury is not season ending, especially since I believe it could be career ending if it plays out that way.

In short though, it is time for Pees to prove he deserves his DC job. Time for the vanilla zones and such to come to an end. He'll have to get a bit creative. With Foster up next, it's time he figures out how to help this team stop the run as well.

Edit: I did forget to mention one thing. I do so wish we still had Gorrer . And, I watched that game tonight and Houston isn't all that. I kept saying they hadn't been tested yet and that GB would be their first real test. We are more than capable of beating them.

[raybaby]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1350274541' post='1190587']
Browns?
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16 points.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1350274748' post='1190594']
16 points.
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Joe had 356 yards, and a bone headed interception in the endzone hurt. It goes way beyond just points.

[raybaby]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1350274825' post='1190597']
Joe had 356 yards, and a bone headed interception in the endzone hurt. It goes way beyond just points.
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So now we're fans that hang our hats on yards? How many drives did the offense have that put us in scoring position? I'll tell you there were a lot more 3 & outs than our offense getting near field goal range let alone the red zone. Inceptions still count as a stop does it not? That was one of the few times the offense was in the red zone and it was mainly because we got the ball on a short field. Of course possible points were left there but the point is the game was close and after the offense scored it's 16 points they did nothing from that point to help separate from the Browns.

[SecretAgentMan]

Trade for Josh Wilson.....again. He was a solid cb for us. He is the hell of a lot better than Cary. To fix the Ngata thing Brian Price isn't a bad pickup. What about a trade for Takeo Spkies. And if we can convince Albert that the qb is a pizza, and the rb is ice cream, then I would take him.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1350275698' post='1190606']
So now we're fans that hang our hats on yards? How many drives did the offense have that put us in scoring position? I'll tell you there were a lot more 3 & outs than our offense getting near field goal range let alone the red zone. Inceptions still count as a stop does it not? That was one of the few times the offense was in the red zone and it was mainly because we got the ball on a short field. Of course possible points were left there but the point is the game was close and after the offense scored it's 16 points they did nothing from that point to help separate from the Browns.
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We got the ball at like the 35, 40 yard line of CLE, drove 25-30 yards and threw a pick. We didn't get zero yards and throw a pick immediately. There's a difference there. Plus there were a lot of drives where we got things going but stumbled, NOT a lot of three and outs. More like a first down or two and three, and THEN punt. There's a difference there.

If you think points is all the matters, do you think our defense shut down the Chiefs last week? 6 points. And we scored 23 points against the Eagles, which is a decent amount, yet you say we got shut down there. Are you using the same criteria for determining our success level for each game, or not?

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1350276314' post='1190616']
Trade for Josh Wilson.....again. He was a solid cb for us. He is the hell of a lot better than Cary. To fix the Ngata thing Brian Price isn't a bad pickup. What about a trade for Takeo Spkies. And if we can convince Albert that the qb is a pizza, and the rb is ice cream, then I would take him.
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From what I've seen out of him in the WSH games I've seen this year, Wilson's looked awful.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1350276712' post='1190623']


From what I've seen out of him in the WSH games I've seen this year, Wilson's looked awful.
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Ok, how bout trading for a Rasheed mathis?? And possible getting the underrated MLB (not Paul) over there?

[UMDan]

If we do make any moves, whoever we bring in would have some extra time to get settled in, with the bye coming up. I think the bye is coming at a perfect time. Next week will be a big test, but after that we can give some guys time to get healthy, though the general (pessimistic) opinion seems to be that Ray, Ngata, and Webb are out for the rest of the season. We'll see tomorrow after the MRIs.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='UMDan' timestamp='1350277395' post='1190635']
If we do make any moves, whoever we bring in would have some extra time to get settled in, with the bye coming up. I think the bye is coming at a perfect time. Next week will be a big test, but after that we can give some guys time to get healthy, though the general (pessimistic) opinion seems to be that Ray, Ngata, and Webb are out for the rest of the season. We'll see tomorrow after the MRIs.
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Ngata ain't out the rest of the year. He will be fine after the bye. Webb and Lewis are out for the rest of the year. If they both just have bone bruises, then we are fine. Ngata is the biggest loss. Lewis's presence gives energy to the defense. We have a stacked secondary. Lewis is probably done for his career. Which frees up cap room, we can pick up a big name free agent now to replace him if available. Webb, Jimmy, and Chyke Brown could be a strong secondary for the next few years. We're having an off year, and we're still contenders. If anything, we need a pure defensive draft. Trade up into the top 15 picks while still keeping our other picks, do what Dallas did, cept get the best DT, olb, or MLB available. Who knows? Maybe Nigel Carr turns into an all pro?????