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[arnie_uk]

While our passing numbers have been great thus far, I don't think anyone can deny that there is a simple gameplan that can pretty much shut us down. Press the wide recievers, and rush Joe.

It seemed like every fan knew the issue, but cam must just have caught on.

http://www.baltimore...0,1281834.story

"You have to win those first 5 yards. It's really about the first 7 yards now," offensive coordinator Cam Cameron said last week. "You better be able to run through those 7 yards, get yourself free, get yourself clean, get some separation so Joe can get the ball out."

"The wide receivers were also greeted Wednesday with press coverage from tall, long-armed cornerbacks Cary Williams and Jimmy Smith, who tried to jam them at the line of scrimmage."

To me this reads the ravens don't play press defence in practice normally and thery are making an exception this week because its a tendency of Dallas to play press man.

Now cam has realised the issue I wonder will the light bulb come that he needs to help out our WRs with his play calling rather than lining the, up on he outside sending them deep 90% of the time.

Don't get me wrong hes improved a lot this year, we are seeing a lot more of the kind of routes that get the ball into the hands of our playmakers in space, but then he goes back to the I hop and we don't see them calls again after they've worked.

I hope they've devised a gameplan to help the WRs beat press man because right now they can't win them matchups without the help. I could be too good to be true though because we know cam is a big fan for beating the guy opposite you in them one on one situations without that extra game planning help.

[PeRK82]

While our passing numbers have been great thus far, I don't think anyone can deny that there is a simple gameplan that can pretty much shut us down. Press the wide recievers, and rush Joe.

It seemed like every fan knew the issue, but cam must just have caught on.

http://www.baltimore...0,1281834.story

"You have to win those first 5 yards. It's really about the first 7 yards now," offensive coordinator Cam Cameron said last week. "You better be able to run through those 7 yards, get yourself free, get yourself clean, get some separation so Joe can get the ball out."

"The wide receivers were also greeted Wednesday with press coverage from tall, long-armed cornerbacks Cary Williams and Jimmy Smith, who tried to jam them at the line of scrimmage."

To me this reads the ravens don't play press defence in practice normally and thery are making an exception this week because its a tendency of Dallas to play press man.

Now cam has realised the issue I wonder will the light bulb come that he needs to help out our WRs with his play calling rather than lining the, up on he outside sending them deep 90% of the time.

Don't get me wrong hes improved a lot this year, we are seeing a lot more of the kind of routes that get the ball into the hands of our playmakers in space, but then he goes back to the I hop and we don't see them calls again after they've worked.

I hope they've devised a gameplan to help the WRs beat press man because right now they can't win them matchups without the help. I could be too good to be true though because we know cam is a big fan for beating the guy opposite you in them one on one situations without that extra game planning help.

Doesn't help running on every first down with 9 in the box and no change up just for 2 yds if that, i say throw it and throw it again. Flacco had a couple of bad passes in the beginning but when he corrected, the WRers started dropping gimmies??? AGAIN.

[arnie_uk]

I didn't intend this to be a bashing thread, more an optimistic thread

[gabefergy]

I didn't intend this to be a bashing thread, more an optimistic thread

Jay Cutler voice- "good luck"

[beasy2487]

Doesn't help running on every first down with 9 in the box and no change up just for 2 yds if that, i say throw it and throw it again. Flacco had a couple of bad passes in the beginning but when he corrected, the WRers started dropping gimmies??? AGAIN.

"Throwing and throwing again" is definitely not a problem we have this year. This is what bothers me about Cameron... why is he acting like this is some sort of new phenomenon? Ever since Nnamdi and Champ showed new age corners the blueprint of "artful holding" downfield they've been doing it. How is it possible that we aren't practicing our weaknesses... that also happen to be our corners strengths?! Why did it take 5 weeks into the season to figure this out?? Can we not self scout?! The coaches (not just Cam) have to do better. It can't be about the players all the time.

Edited by beasy2487, 11 October 2012 - 04:58 PM.

[redrum52]

This is good for two reasons. Now our corners will practice press and our receivers will get use to playing against it. About damn time.

Edited by redrum52, 11 October 2012 - 05:00 PM.

[raybaby]

Okay well lets see he went on about the Chiefs defense last week and how they have physical corners and an active pass rush and what was his focus? Players execution...that our receivers need to learn how to get separation.This will continue to be his mindset. Before the game I said he was beating a dead horse and then unsurprisingly our offense once again struggled. This has been going on how long now? It doesn't matter who the receivers are..it continues to be a problem. What is the one common denominator? The person drawing up the game plan.

Edited by raybaby, 11 October 2012 - 06:17 PM.

[ratedr]

Wow, he just realized something that we've all known for years. Good job, good effort.

[PolishRifle]

Cam's issue is, that he cannot adapt the offense to the defenses he faces fast enough. Sometimes it seems, that he has a set plan and wants to stick with it till the very end. Rarely do we see him adjust his schemes in time. Last season, it was all about the run. Run-run-pass all day long until defenses on regular basis started to take Rice out of the game. Sheesh.
The Steelers and Big Ben are doing fairly well on offense right now and that has alot to do with their recent addition Todd Haley, who opened up the playbook for Rapistburger and schemes to No-means-Yes's strengths.
When I look at our two good victories this season, I see Joe throwing into insanely tight windows or reading defenses very well, receivers making incredible catches and Rice putting up great yards-per-carry numbers. It's like we won by pure force of talent and not scheme.

Edited by PolishRifle, 11 October 2012 - 05:16 PM.

[admartian]

Jay Cutler voice- "good luck"

I love that soundbyte.

[redrum52]

Cam's issue is, that he cannot adapt the offense to the defenses he faces fast enough. Sometimes it seems, that he has a set plan and wants to stick with it till the very end. Rarely do we see him adjust his schemes in time. Last season, it was all about the run. Run-run-pass all day long until defenses on regular basis started to take Rice out of the game. Sheesh.
The Steelers and Big Ben are doing fairly well on offense right now and that has alot to do with their recent addition Todd Haley, who opened up the playbook for Rapistburger and schemes to No-means-Yes's strengths.
When I look at our two good victories this season, I see Joe throwing into insanely tight windows or reading defenses very well, receivers making incredible catches and Rice putting up great yards-per-carry numbers. It's like we won by pure force of talent and not scheme.

LMAO. True though. Its rare where we see people open. It's usually Joe making a throw into a window, though there have also been times Joe just misses the man. I'm not got g to just blame Cameron because I've seen plays where people are run ting free but Joe is locked o to one person. They both still need to work together to figure out which plays make them and the offense all operate on the same page.

[hawkprey]

I heard they were working on this last week for KC, but apparently it didn't help. I hope it does the trick this time, because our offense is terrible against press corners and great against everyone else.

[raybaby]

I heard they were working on this last week for KC, but apparently it didn't help. I hope it does the trick this time, because our offense is terrible against press corners and great against everyone else.

Lol these are quotes from last week... and yup it didn't help.

[arnie_uk]

Lol these are quotes from last week... and yup it didn't help.

yes but the article was wrote yesterday, they played man coverage in practice yesterday. He may have said it last week, but it appears he's only try to fix the issue this week

[hawkprey]

yes but the article was wrote yesterday, they played man coverage in practice yesterday. He may have said it last week, but it appears he's only try to fix the issue this week

Let's hope. I'd like to see our receivers go up for the ball like they did against NE. Corners that play press in man coverage aren't going to be facing the QB to win the ball in the air.

[PolishRifle]

LMAO. True though. Its rare where we see people open. It's usually Joe making a throw into a window, though there have also been times Joe just misses the man. I'm not got g to just blame Cameron because I've seen plays where people are run ting free but Joe is locked o to one person. They both still need to work together to figure out which plays make them and the offense all operate on the same page.

All I say is, the Steelers improved after changing coordinators. Harbs at some point has to let someone go.

[raybaby]

yes but the article was wrote yesterday, they played man coverage in practice yesterday. He may have said it last week, but it appears he's only try to fix the issue this week

They definitely practiced press man after the Eagles game and why would he say the focus was on that last week especially when he described the corners that they were going against and then not practice for it? Makes no sense.

Edited by raybaby, 11 October 2012 - 05:43 PM.

[arnie_uk]

They definitely practiced press man after the Eagles game.

your point being? They know the issue, and they are trying to resolve it. What are you fighting against?

Edited by arnie_uk, 11 October 2012 - 05:45 PM.

[arnie_uk]

They definitely practiced press man after the Eagles game and why would he say the focus was on that last week especially when he described the corners that they were going against and then not practice for it? Makes no sense.

what are you talking about? The whole article is about Dallas and their corners. John and co met Monday about "the need to make adjustments".

The quote was last wEek, but the coaching staff are making the changes this week because they know our WRs can't beat the press straight up without help, which is what cam wanted. So now they realise the game planing needs to help beat the press.

Did you read the article?

[raybaby]

your point being? They know the issue, and they are trying to resolve it. What are you fighting against?

My point is I don't think it's about players execution. You are the one who tried to correct me? Am I missing something? What I'm saying isn't imply that your thread doesn't bring in insight. It does. I just personally don't think them focusing on it during practice is the solution to the problem.