Cam has finially realised the issue on offense

[arnie_uk]

While our passing numbers have been great thus far, I don't think anyone can deny that there is a simple gameplan that can pretty much shut us down. Press the wide recievers, and rush Joe.

It seemed like every fan knew the issue, but cam must just have caught on.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-main-1011-20121010,0,1281834.story

"You have to win those first 5 yards. It's really about the first 7 yards now," offensive coordinator Cam Cameron said last week. "You better be able to run through those 7 yards, get yourself free, get yourself clean, get some separation so Joe can get the ball out."

"The wide receivers were also greeted Wednesday with press coverage from tall, long-armed cornerbacks Cary Williams and Jimmy Smith, who tried to jam them at the line of scrimmage."

To me this reads the ravens don't play press defence in practice normally and thery are making an exception this week because its a tendency of Dallas to play press man.

Now cam has realised the issue I wonder will the light bulb come that he needs to help out our WRs with his play calling rather than lining the, up on he outside sending them deep 90% of the time.

Don't get me wrong hes improved a lot this year, we are seeing a lot more of the kind of routes that get the ball into the hands of our playmakers in space, but then he goes back to the I hop and we don't see them calls again after they've worked.

I hope they've devised a gameplan to help the WRs beat press man because right now they can't win them matchups without the help. I could be too good to be true though because we know cam is a big fan for beating the guy opposite you in them one on one situations without that extra game planning help.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1349990299' post='1184963']
While our passing numbers have been great thus far, I don't think anyone can deny that there is a simple gameplan that can pretty much shut us down. Press the wide recievers, and rush Joe.

It seemed like every fan knew the issue, but cam must just have caught on.

[url="http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-main-1011-20121010,0,1281834.story"]http://www.baltimore...0,1281834.story[/url]

"You have to win those first 5 yards. It's really about the first 7 yards now," offensive coordinator Cam Cameron said last week. "You better be able to run through those 7 yards, get yourself free, get yourself clean, get some separation so Joe can get the ball out."

"The wide receivers were also greeted Wednesday with press coverage from tall, long-armed cornerbacks Cary Williams and Jimmy Smith, who tried to jam them at the line of scrimmage."

To me this reads the ravens don't play press defence in practice normally and thery are making an exception this week because its a tendency of Dallas to play press man.

Now cam has realised the issue I wonder will the light bulb come that he needs to help out our WRs with his play calling rather than lining the, up on he outside sending them deep 90% of the time.

Don't get me wrong hes improved a lot this year, we are seeing a lot more of the kind of routes that get the ball into the hands of our playmakers in space, but then he goes back to the I hop and we don't see them calls again after they've worked.

I hope they've devised a gameplan to help the WRs beat press man because right now they can't win them matchups without the help. I could be too good to be true though because we know cam is a big fan for beating the guy opposite you in them one on one situations without that extra game planning help.
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Doesn't help running on every first down with 9 in the box and no change up just for 2 yds if that, i say throw it and throw it again. Flacco had a couple of bad passes in the beginning but when he corrected, the WRers started dropping gimmies??? AGAIN.

[arnie_uk]

I didn't intend this to be a bashing thread, more an optimistic thread

[gabefergy]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1349991537' post='1184972']
I didn't intend this to be a bashing thread, more an optimistic thread
[/quote]
Jay Cutler voice- "good luck"

[beasy2487]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1349990613' post='1184965']
Doesn't help running on every first down with 9 in the box and no change up just for 2 yds if that, i say throw it and throw it again. Flacco had a couple of bad passes in the beginning but when he corrected, the WRers started dropping gimmies??? AGAIN.
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"Throwing and throwing again" is definitely not a problem we have this year. This is what bothers me about Cameron... why is he acting like this is some sort of new phenomenon? Ever since Nnamdi and Champ showed new age corners the blueprint of "artful holding" downfield they've been doing it. How is it possible that we aren't practicing our weaknesses... that also happen to be our corners strengths?! Why did it take 5 weeks into the season to figure this out?? Can we not self scout?! The coaches (not just Cam) have to do better. It can't be about the players all the time.

[redrum52]

This is good for two reasons. Now our corners will practice press and our receivers will get use to playing against it. About damn time.

[raybaby]

Okay well lets see he went on about the Chiefs defense last week and how they have physical corners and an active pass rush and what was his focus? Players execution...that our receivers need to learn how to get separation.This will continue to be his mindset. Before the game I said he was beating a dead horse and then unsurprisingly our offense once again struggled. This has been going on how long now? It doesn't matter who the receivers are..it continues to be a problem. What is the one common denominator? The person drawing up the game plan.

[ratedr]

Wow, he just realized something that we've all known for years. Good job, good effort.

[PolishRifle]

Cam's issue is, that he cannot adapt the offense to the defenses he faces fast enough. Sometimes it seems, that he has a set plan and wants to stick with it till the very end. Rarely do we see him adjust his schemes in time. Last season, it was all about the run. Run-run-pass all day long until defenses on regular basis started to take Rice out of the game. Sheesh.
The Steelers and Big Ben are doing fairly well on offense right now and that has alot to do with their recent addition Todd Haley, who opened up the playbook for Rapistburger and schemes to No-means-Yes's strengths.
When I look at our two good victories this season, I see Joe throwing into insanely tight windows or reading defenses very well, receivers making incredible catches and Rice putting up great yards-per-carry numbers. It's like we won by pure force of talent and not scheme.

[admartian]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1349992277' post='1184977']
Jay Cutler voice- "good luck"
[/quote] I love that soundbyte.

[img]http://i.qkme.me/3qwide.jpg[/img]

[redrum52]

[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1349993704' post='1184997']
Cam's issue is, that he cannot adapt the offense to the defenses he faces fast enough. Sometimes it seems, that he has a set plan and wants to stick with it till the very end. Rarely do we see him adjust his schemes in time. Last season, it was all about the run. Run-run-pass all day long until defenses on regular basis started to take Rice out of the game. Sheesh.
The Steelers and Big Ben are doing fairly well on offense right now and that has alot to do with their recent addition Todd Haley, who opened up the playbook for Rapistburger and schemes to No-means-Yes's strengths.
When I look at our two good victories this season, I see Joe throwing into insanely tight windows or reading defenses very well, receivers making incredible catches and Rice putting up great yards-per-carry numbers. It's like we won by pure force of talent and not scheme.
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LMAO. True though. Its rare where we see people open. It's usually Joe making a throw into a window, though there have also been times Joe just misses the man. I'm not got g to just blame Cameron because I've seen plays where people are run ting free but Joe is locked o to one person. They both still need to work together to figure out which plays make them and the offense all operate on the same page.

[hawkprey]

I heard they were working on this last week for KC, but apparently it didn't help. I hope it does the trick this time, because our offense is terrible against press corners and great against everyone else.

[raybaby]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1349994389' post='1185007']
I heard they were working on this last week for KC, but apparently it didn't help. I hope it does the trick this time, because our offense is terrible against press corners and great against everyone else.
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Lol these are quotes from last week... and yup it didn't help.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1349994587' post='1185010']


Lol these are quotes from last week... and yup it didn't help.
[/quote]yes but the article was wrote yesterday, they played man coverage in practice yesterday. He may have said it last week, but it appears he's only try to fix the issue this week

[hawkprey]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1349995127' post='1185016']
yes but the article was wrote yesterday, they played man coverage in practice yesterday. He may have said it last week, but it appears he's only try to fix the issue this week
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Let's hope. I'd like to see our receivers go up for the ball like they did against NE. Corners that play press in man coverage aren't going to be facing the QB to win the ball in the air.

[PolishRifle]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1349994386' post='1185006']
LMAO. True though. Its rare where we see people open. It's usually Joe making a throw into a window, though there have also been times Joe just misses the man. I'm not got g to just blame Cameron because I've seen plays where people are run ting free but Joe is locked o to one person. They both still need to work together to figure out which plays make them and the offense all operate on the same page.
[/quote]

All I say is, the Steelers improved after changing coordinators. Harbs at some point has to let someone go.

[raybaby]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1349995127' post='1185016']
yes but the article was wrote yesterday, they played man coverage in practice yesterday. He may have said it last week, but it appears he's only try to fix the issue this week
[/quote]

They definitely practiced press man after the Eagles game and why would he say the focus was on that last week especially when he described the corners that they were going against and then not practice for it? Makes no sense.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1349995326' post='1185021']


They definitely practiced press man after the Eagles game.
[/quote]your point being? They know the issue, and they are trying to resolve it. What are you fighting against?

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1349995326' post='1185021']


They definitely practiced press man after the Eagles game and why would he say the focus was on that last week especially when he described the corners that they were going against and then not practice for it? Makes no sense.
[/quote]what are you talking about? The whole article is about Dallas and their corners. John and co met Monday about "the need to make adjustments".

The quote was last wEek, but the coaching staff are making the changes this week because they know our WRs can't beat the press straight up without help, which is what cam wanted. So now they realise the game planing needs to help beat the press.

Did you read the article?

[raybaby]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1349995410' post='1185022']
your point being? They know the issue, and they are trying to resolve it. What are you fighting against?
[/quote]

My point is I don't think it's about players execution. You are the one who tried to correct me? Am I missing something? What I'm saying isn't imply that your thread doesn't bring in insight. It does. I just personally don't think them focusing on it during practice is the solution to the problem.

[arnie_uk]

Cams philosophy is that you have to beat the man opposite you and win them one on one battles, what this article is about, and is leading us to believe is that the coaching staff have actually realised our WRs can't do that against good press man corners. Like kc, eagles and now Dallas.

So they have met and discussed how to make adjustments and maybe change the scheme up a little bit to help out the recievers.

This is the point the article is making and I was making by posting the article, the coaching staff and cam have finially realised what's wrong and may actually try and put our wide receivers in a position to succeed.

Isn't that what we have been waiting for? Now all we need to do is see it in game action...

Lets hope it actually comes to fruition.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1349996159' post='1185032']


My point is I don't think it's about players execution. You are the one who tried to correct me? Am I missing something? What I'm saying isn't imply that your thread doesn't bring in insight. It does. I just personally don't think them focusing on it during practice is the solution to the problem.
[/quote]see my post above this, that's not really what the thread was about, maybe I didn't quote the right parts of he article to explain what I think may actually have clicked for the coaching staff, which is a change in philosophy. And again, it's just speculation at this time until we see it, but I hope they have realised the issue.

We cant win he one on one match ups against press man corners like cam wants and expects us to, so now we may get he extra help. But that would mean going against cams beliefs.

I'm an optimist, not pessimistic like a lot here, so maybe yous don't come away with the same conclusion as I do from the article.

We are stuck with cam, no point slating him all the time......

[raybaby]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1349995719' post='1185027']
what are you talking about? The whole article is about Dallas and their corners. John and co met Monday about "the need to make adjustments".

The quote was last wEek, but the coaching staff are making the changes this week because they know our WRs can't beat the press straight up without help, which is what cam wanted. So now they realise the game planing needs to help beat the press.

Did you read the article?
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I get that and I'm saying I'm skeptical because this has being going on for a long time and it's always been about execution while the scheme has never really been openly questioned. If they do make scheme changes to counter it then I'll eat crow until then I'm going to be a skeptic.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1349996730' post='1185043']


I get that and I'm saying I'm skeptical because this has being going on for a long time and it's always been about execution while the scheme has never really been openly questioned. If they do make scheme changes to counter it then I'll eat crow until then I'm going to be a skeptic.
[/quote]thats fair enough, I even acknowledged that this would be the case for many, and I like to look optimistically into he future, which could be why I'm preceiving this differently than most of you

[raybaby]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1349997076' post='1185049']
thats fair enough, I even acknowledged that this would be the case for many, and I like to look optimistically into he future, which could be why I'm preceiving this differently than most of you
[/quote]

And that's fine. I respect your opinion. I'm not pessimistic about everything just when it comes to something like this where there has been a clear problem and it is gone about the same way over and over again.

[Militant X 1]

nice read. i actually liked this part...

[i]"Harbaugh's staff and the players talked at length Monday about the need to make adjustments. Schematically, the Ravens may use more [u][b]bunch and stack formations [/b][/u]to try to pick cornerbacks within the rules"[/i]

throw in more quick slants, screens, drags and curl routes and we should be successful!

~MX1

[Grapple Raven]

Check out this video, lol. Thank you Wade Harmon for the four minute, and to the staffers who talked Cam out of doing something cute or that would have been a very different outcome!

[url="http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/2012_Game_Plan_Segment_2_With_Cam_Cameron/a87680c7-6253-40b6-a646-b28ea1994f49"]http://www.baltimore...46-b28ea1994f49[/url]

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1349996159' post='1185032']


My point is I don't think it's about players execution. You are the one who tried to correct me? Am I missing something? What I'm saying isn't imply that your thread doesn't bring in insight. It does. I just personally don't think them focusing on it during practice is the solution to the problem.
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Did I read your post correctly ? Did you say focusing on one of their weakness in practice is not the solution?

[raybaby]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1350000449' post='1185117']
Did I read your post correctly ? Did you say focusing on one of their weakness in practice is not the solution?
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We were talking about how in practice they've solely focused on players beating press and I'm saying [b]just[/b] focusing on players execution is not the solution. Which is true because that's how they've always addressed it and it continues to be a problem.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1349992277' post='1184977']
Jay Cutler voice- "good luck"
[/quote]Bad guy from Taken voice-
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