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[dhstandard]

Week one I was excited. There was a diversity of plays. I was excited for a second on that screen pass to Torrey Smith yesterday too. Then I was let down when the rest of the plays were so dull. What happened?

There are few teams with a dangerous running AND passing game. Ray Rice is getting 100 yard games on less than 15 carries but I rarely see play-action. I saw Manning running the fake draw nearly every play even on 3rd and longs. Then they run the draw. THAT is how you use the pass to set up the run.

Cam Cameron is not only conservative but just down-right uncreative. Where is the play action?

Edited by dhstandard, 08 October 2012 - 07:32 PM.

[Bltravens]

Cam doesn't trust our Ts against legit pass rushing DEs/OLBs to use PA a whole lot. He cut it out of the game against Philadelphia and it hurt, we became predictable, he more or less did the same yesterday when we faced Hali/Houston.

[Bravens292]

he does use it but at the dumbest times. he throws 10 times in a row and then does it. do you think thats really going to work?

[Florida Ravens Fan]

I was wondering same thing, Rice was running well should of used more PA. When things are working Cam changes it, when things are not he doesnt adjust lol.

[nk02442]

Cam, the only thing that has held the ravens from a superbowl in the last 4 years.......

[Bravens292]

Cam, the only thing that has held the ravens from a superbowl in the last 4 years.......

will be five years, or six, or seven....wait nevermind he'll never be fired. Matt Ryans OC was garbage too and look at whats happening to him this year! i am so jealous of him right now that their offense looks so good after they got Koetter and is working well with him but we can't realize that Joe could look like what Ryan is this year but this fool is holding him back unlike their OC. Cam knows he wouldn't get a job for any other team in the league yet he's still stubborn enough to think he has some long term commitment or something and do whatever he wants to this offense. just sickens me.

[izvoodoo]

Cam, the only thing that has held the ravens from a superbowl in the last 4 years.......

Stuff like that bothers me. Like we haven't had other serious problems... or maybe we just haven't been the best team in the AFC.

[nk02442]

Stuff like that bothers me. Like we haven't had other serious problems... or maybe we just haven't been the best team in the AFC.

The talent on the ravens in that span, including pro bowlers and stacked at every possition.........yea we should have had atleast one maybe 2.

[PolishRifle]

will be five years, or six, or seven....wait nevermind he'll never be fired. Matt Ryans OC was garbage too and look at whats happening to him this year! i am so jealous of him right now that their offense looks so good after they got Koetter and is working well with him but we can't realize that Joe could look like what Ryan is this year but this fool is holding him back unlike their OC. Cam knows he wouldn't get a job for any other team in the league yet he's still stubborn enough to think he has some long term commitment or something and do whatever he wants to this offense. just sickens me.

Coaching up a great QB is a tricky thing to do. Many try it. Few succeed. Changing the OC can make that process difficult (Cassel had a ton of diffrent OCs trying all kinds of diffrent things with him and see where he is at right now) and I do believe that Cam did a fine job getting Joe, where he is right now.
Joe has become very accurate and while he had games, where he wasn't playing at his best, there were many moments when he made the right decision in those games to seal the victory for us (like that clutch scramble against KC for example).
I think Cam has done about as much as he could do for Joe and it is indeed time to get someone new on board, regardless of any success we might enjoy this season.
Playcalling has been the problem in a couple situations. It is undeniable.

The talent on the ravens in that span, including pro bowlers and stacked at every possition.........yea we should have had atleast one maybe 2.

I can't even bring myself to enjoy good games like the one against Cinci or NE, because all I am thinking is: "Why can't we do that all the time?"

Edited by PolishRifle, 08 October 2012 - 09:03 PM.

[izvoodoo]

The talent on the ravens in that span, including pro bowlers and stacked at every possition.........yea we should have had atleast one maybe 2.

Or the receivers who have been consistently out of the league the following year? Or when they were all rookies? Or the terrible olines? And Flacco's inconsistencies? What bothers me is that people throw it all on cam, and not on the players. This is the best offense we've had... also the best talent.

[Tiz]

The big play to q was off play action
Every rollout by joe is off play action


Also don't understand why the title is still no play action passes? We use it frequently so I'm not sure how the title came about.
Seems like people are again using lack of executin by players and claiming cam didn't call certain plays that he actually did call.

Ravens main page has clips of the game. Feel free to watch them.

To the person upset about how cam uses play action. It's no different than Peyton and Indy. No one felt Indy would run but they constantly used play action because it was what Peyton was comfortable with.

[FlaccoLover928]

The talent on the ravens in that span, including pro bowlers and stacked at every possition.........yea we should have had atleast one maybe 2.

yeah but not offense

[redrum52]

will be five years, or six, or seven....wait nevermind he'll never be fired. Matt Ryans OC was garbage too and look at whats happening to him this year! i am so jealous of him right now that their offense looks so good after they got Koetter and is working well with him but we can't realize that Joe could look like what Ryan is this year but this fool is holding him back unlike their OC. Cam knows he wouldn't get a job for any other team in the league yet he's still stubborn enough to think he has some long term commitment or something and do whatever he wants to this offense. just sickens me.

That's cause on Cams worst day even he has never been shut out in a playoff game.

[redrum52]

will be five years, or six, or seven....wait nevermind he'll never be fired. Matt Ryans OC was garbage too and look at whats happening to him this year! i am so jealous of him right now that their offense looks so good after they got Koetter and is working well with him but we can't realize that Joe could look like what Ryan is this year but this fool is holding him back unlike their OC. Cam knows he wouldn't get a job for any other team in the league yet he's still stubborn enough to think he has some long term commitment or something and do whatever he wants to this offense. just sickens me.

That's cause on Cams worst day even he has never been shut out in a playoff game.

[Tiz]

http://www.cbssports...ut-part-of-game

Ravens dropped 5 passes.
Per pro football reference. We average 13 yards per completin so there's 75 yards there that takes our blah looking 187 to an ok looking 260. That would have people talking less about cam much like people did with the back to back 350 yard passing games by joe.

The game was ugly he team will work on it but its a no win for cam with this MB. If joe is on fire people credit joe but complain that rice doesn't get more touches. In the case of the kc game we have two threads started by people who claim cam didn't call plays that he actually called.

It's pathetic that people are just looking to complain about him and don't take the time to watch the game or even watch short cuts...

[HoldingCall]

http://www.cbssports...ut-part-of-game

Ravens dropped 5 passes.
Per pro football reference. We average 13 yards per completin so there's 75 yards there that takes our blah looking 187 to an ok looking 260. That would have people talking less about cam much like people did with the back to back 350 yard passing games by joe.

The game was ugly he team will work on it but its a no win for cam with this MB. If joe is on fire people credit joe but complain that rice doesn't get more touches. In the case of the kc game we have two threads started by people who claim cam didn't call plays that he actually called.

It's pathetic that people are just looking to complain about him and don't take the time to watch the game or even watch short cuts...

I have to disagree with you. People have complained (myself included) about Cam since his first year. He has times when he is spot on but he is also inconsistent and at times lapse into a disconnect from the game at hand. His inability or determination (not sure which) to not make in game adjustments suggest that at times he lacks either creativity or the flexibility to adapt. When that happens the offense becomes very predictable.

I've considered that perhaps the problem with receivers getting separations has to do with routes becoming too predictable. There must be a reason the offense scores well in the beginning of each season then fades downhill. Last season we began as one of the top offenses but that too didn't last.

Is he the worse there is? No! But Cam has his ways that causes the same stigma from his days in San Diego to stick. Not to say it is all cam because he has a supporting cast of coaches but ultimately he is the one in charge of the offense.

Edited by HoldingCall, 08 October 2012 - 10:08 PM.

[beasy2487]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/20515076/ravens-notebook-coach-john-harbaugh-says-fans-celebrating-injuries-is-frustrating-but-part-of-game

Ravens dropped 5 passes.
Per pro football reference. We average 13 yards per completin so there's 75 yards there that takes our blah looking 187 to an ok looking 260. That would have people talking less about cam much like people did with the back to back 350 yard passing games by joe.

The game was ugly he team will work on it but its a no win for cam with this MB. If joe is on fire people credit joe but complain that rice doesn't get more touches. In the case of the kc game we have two threads started by people who claim cam didn't call plays that he actually called.

It's pathetic that people are just looking to complain about him and don't take the time to watch the game or even watch short cuts...

Cam's offense is like a dumbbell. It has one weight. If you're strong enough to lift it you look great doing it. If not, you're out of luck because he's not adjusting it. In reality, the dumbbell is the scheme and the strength is the ability of the players to execute the scheme. Ability to execute is naturally variable given all of the personnel involved, but if the scheme does not also adjust (which it does not) then it puts an inordinate amount of pressure on the players to be picture perfect(and god forbid the other side's million dollar coaches figure out the scheme).

Simply put, Cam calls great plays in a vacuum. But football, especially Super bowl winning football, is situational. Cam has no grasp of situational football and he's proven that time and again.

[Tiz]

Cam's offense is like a dumbbell. It has one weight. If you're strong enough to lift it you look great doing it. If not, you're out of luck because he's not adjusting it. In reality, the dumbbell is the scheme and the strength is the ability of the players to execute the scheme. Ability to execute is naturally variable given all of the personnel involved, but if the scheme does not also adjust (which it does not) then it puts an inordinate amount of pressure on the players to be picture perfect(and god forbid the other side's million dollar coaches figure out the scheme).

Simply put, Cam calls great plays in a vacuum. But football, especially Super bowl winning football, is situational. Cam has no grasp of situational football and he's proven that time and again.

Ok so it's about situational play calling so then he is judge purely on his cals and not the results now huh?
So then that goes to what I said repeatedly. People are complaining that he doesn't call play action passes. But he does. People complained that he doesn't work short and intermediate routes yet he does. People like you say he doesn't call a Super Bowl type of game plan but will also join the others and say flacco proved, despite lees drop, that he can take us to the sb.

So I'm lost. How is it that despite not going to the sb its ok to say flacco showed he is clutch but the guy wh called the play and allowed for the qb to show he is clutch is not viewed in the same light.

So again cam is in a cant win situation. If he lets flacco and the offense one up. He's hated for not using rice. If he uses rice he's hated for not letting the offense open up. As for the only one type of play call we get from him. Bs. As said some games rice is carrying the load others joe is asked to do more.

Every play call has to rely on players to execute which is why we have a poster saying that cam calling play actin despite not using the run is bad but that person will ignore that Peyton did almost all his work off play action without a running game. It's also why when joe throws for 300 people won't knock the frequency of the play action (19 out of 39 passes against n.e) but will if we have joe making a bad read or wrs dropping he passes.

Wrs were open joe still has tendencies to hold the ball long. Joe also tends to look deep first, it's why I like him, and as a result people don't realize there are route runners at the short and intermediate levels.

[rlh445]

Week one I was excited. There was a diversity of plays. I was excited for a second on that screen pass to Torrey Smith yesterday too. Then I was let down when the rest of the plays were so dull. What happened?

There are few teams with a dangerous running AND passing game. Ray Rice is getting 100 yard games on less than 15 carries but I rarely see play-action. I saw Manning running the fake draw nearly every play even on 3rd and longs. Then they run the draw. THAT is how you use the pass to set up the run.

Cam Cameron is not only conservative but just down-right uncreative. Where is the play action?

Actually, we've done plenty of play action in the last three games. It's hard to get it going however when your offensive line is doing the, 'Oh lay!!,' stuff all game. Play action deMANDS that either A. the fake works to perfection or B. the offensive line gives the QB enough time to make it work anyway. Our Oline has been failing at that task big time.

[UMDan]

I also don't get it. It seems season after season we start off with some interesting plays and looks with plenty of play action, and as dhstandard said, I found it exciting. Play action works. It's been proven time and time again and we often make big plays with play action. I just don't get it. It just seems like Cam runs out of creativity and exhausts it all in the first few games. Maybe that's why we've had such great openers.