Cam Cameron

[Ball-Hawk20]

this guy should be fired no matter what after this season. we led the whole way vs the browns, and nearly lost because he chose to keep throwing the ball, and not handing it off to one of the best backs in the league. yesterday, rice gets 17 touches for 102 yds, flacco had 187 passings yds, RUN THE BALL ITS OBVIOUS

[Tiz]

Going into this game rice was 2nd in total yards from scrimmage.
His 17 carries were adequate.
Baltimore was second in total yards as well prior to this game.
But no I get it.
If the offense produces, it's the players.
If it struggles its Cameron's fault.

[rlh445]

You couldn't have chosen any of the other thousands of Cam bashing threads and posted your super original thoughts in one of those? For the record, I disagree..I thought Cam called a pretty decent game yesterday but our boys decided to phone it in.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1349711770' post='1181957']
[u][b]You couldn't have chosen any of the other thousands of Cam bashing threads and posted your super original thoughts in one of those?[/b][/u] For the record, I disagree..I thought Cam called a pretty decent game yesterday but our boys decided to phone it in.
[/quote]

amen!

~Mili

[axisofeeble]

Cam seems unable to adapt to defensive changes thrown at the Raven offense. One screen to Rice,one Leach? Why? Flacco is not getting recievers who get open quickly enough and there were some drops but Rice averaged 6 yards per and still we barely dodged losing on the road to a mistake prone team that gave us the game. Cam is the weak link but.......................Flacco did not look elite yesterday after a long healing layoff. The Cowboys defense will put on the pressure even in our house. What will Cam do? Why don't we exploit other teams aggresive pass rush? Make no mistake our defense did not win yesterday's game. Chief mistakes gave our team another victory but the Cowboys ain't the KC fumble bunnies. There is a good chance we lose to Dallas if our offense stays so vanilla. Good luck Ravens. Where's our pass rush?

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1349711770' post='1181957']
You couldn't have chosen any of the other thousands of Cam bashing threads and posted your super original thoughts in one of those? For the record, I disagree..I thought Cam called a pretty decent game yesterday but our boys decided to phone it in.
[/quote]he was mixed in my opinion. Too many long developing routes when our oline was getting killed. Does a screen to torrey must have went almost 30 yards negated by a penalty was imo his best call all day. Get the ball into the hands of your playmakers, I wish he would do it more often.

Annoyed me he didn't try it again. Torrey is lethal after the catch. Get him the ball within 5 yards of the LOS and let torrey do the damage after.

Hes to obsessed with going for the jugular almost every play.

[redrum52]

[quote name='Tiz' timestamp='1349711718' post='1181955']
Going into this game rice was 2nd in total yards from scrimmage.
His 17 carries were adequate.
Baltimore was second in total yards as well prior to this game.
But no I get it.
If the offense produces, it's the players.
If it struggles its Cameron's fault.
[/quote]

Church...

Does no one remember Flaccos comments about keeping your foot on the gas when you're up during the TC? He does need to realize when the deep routes aren't working though to go intermediate and short.

[PuRock]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1349711770' post='1181957']
You couldn't have chosen any of the other thousands of Cam bashing threads and posted your super original thoughts in one of those? For the record, I disagree..I thought Cam called a pretty decent game yesterday but our boys decided to phone it in.
[/quote]

Agreed. We were screaming at Cam a few games ago to run it on 3rd and 2 with Rice. He gave the ball to Rice on 3rd and short yesterday. He kept the offense balanced - 31 passes to 24 rushes. Thought the play selection was good. No end-arounds.

But the players (specifically the OL) failed to execute. Pass catchers dropped balls. Not really on Cam there.

[hawkprey]

I just don't understand where the short to midrange passes went in our offense. Or the 2-TE sets.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1349714093' post='1182009']

But the players (specifically the OL) failed to execute. Pass catchers dropped balls. Not really on Cam there.
[/quote]

No doubt that definitely played a part in the failure of the Offense. However, my real issue with Cam remains the same and was once again evidenced in this game. The deep routes were not working. Did we adjust at half-time? Add more middle routes? More 2 TE sets? No we did not. We kept with the same old game plan. Cam does not make half-time adjustments effectively at all. I think in all the time he's been here I can count on one hand the number of times he's made adjustments. He stubbornly sticks to his initial game plan even when it is failing.

[K-Dog]

Ooooooooh a Cam Cameron thread! How exciting.
I wonder what it says!

[gabefergy]

Oh man....I dont think Cam called a great game, but it certainly wasn't awful. Do you forget how good the offense has looked for most of the season? Players have to play better, simple as that. Drops/penalties/poor protection really handcuff the offense. I dont want to hear just give the ball to Rice either. He had a couple big runs that were instrumental, but he also was getting stuffed quite a few times.

[PuRock]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1349714422' post='1182017']
No doubt that definitely played a part in the failure of the Offense. However, my real issue with Cam remains the same and was once again evidenced in this game. The deep routes were not working. Did we adjust at half-time? Add more middle routes? More 2 TE sets? No we did not. We kept with the same old game plan. Cam does not make half-time adjustments effectively at all. I think in all the time he's been here I can count on one hand the number of times he's made adjustments. He stubbornly sticks to his initial game plan even when it is failing.
[/quote]

I agree about his adjustments. Its never been a strong suit of his. I've always said the Ravens are at their best when they have a gameplan that works from the get go.

But as far as the middle routes, I saw Pitta running plenty of them yesterday. Only problem was he wasn't getting open. I thought the Chiefs LBs and Safeties (which is a strong point for the team) played our TEs extremely well (and the middle routes). We also utilized some flats to Leach (which had some drops as well).

I'm not a Cam fan, but I thought he called a decent game. I blame player execution more than anything in this contest.

[Tiz]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1349714422' post='1182017']


No doubt that definitely played a part in the failure of the Offense. However, my real issue with Cam remains the same and was once again evidenced in this game. The deep routes were not working. Did we adjust at half-time? Add more middle routes? More 2 TE sets? No we did not. We kept with the same old game plan. Cam does not make half-time adjustments effectively at all. I think in all the time he's been here I can count on one hand the number of times he's made adjustments. He stubbornly sticks to his initial game plan even when it is failing.
[/quote]

So dropped passes by vonta
Attempts to get q the ball across the middle
Post pattern to Torrey
And the last sack joe took a wr was open cutting across the middle
So all of these were cam ignoring that there are multiple levels for route runners or was it more joe not looking there?
We had a few dropped passes and clear out routes for ray that were within 15 yards of the Los.
But nope because they weren't completed the dis uses ion is going to be that cam didn't call plays there.

So again.
Players execute we praise them
They don't its all cams fault
Lol

[T3hRaven]

People who think we're going to win running Rice as much as KC ran Charles yesterday do not understand how an offense works, nor do they understand the abilities and limitations of our players. Rice has been effective this season because of the threat of a passing game, he's not someone you can expect to push the pile and get yardage on every play. Without an effective passing attack, we'll go back to what it was a few seasons ago when Rice's YPC was below average and his numbers were a product of quantity instead of quality.

Although I do agree that Cam needs to be fired.

[bpytnjr58]

Other the Ray's ten solo tackles there was nothing ELITE about anyone or anything at Arrowhead.

[The Raven]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1349717795' post='1182104']
Other the Ray's ten solo tackles there was nothing ELITE about anyone or anything at Arrowhead.
[/quote]

What about Rice and his 6 yard per carry average?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1349717795' post='1182104']
Other the Ray's ten solo tackles there was nothing ELITE about anyone or anything at Arrowhead.
[/quote]
Ray Lewis actually had a pretty poor game. Kruger and Ngata where the ones making an impact.

[wayne]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1349715977' post='1182068']
[b]People who think we're going to win running Rice as much as KC ran Charles yesterday do not understand how an offense works, nor do they understand the abilities and limitations of our players. Rice has been effective this season because of the threat of a passing game, he's not someone you can expect to push the pile and get yardage on every play.[/b] Without an effective passing attack, we'll go back to what it was a few seasons ago when Rice's YPC was below average and his numbers were a product of quantity instead of quality.

Although I do agree that Cam needs to be fired.
[/quote]

I disagree with this big time and actually see it as being the opposite and history also favors my point of view too. I think we are able to pass the ball like we do b/c of the threat of Ray Rice and the run and I'm sure the game plan against the Ravens is to contain Ray Rice first and foremost. Look what happens to us when we don't run the ball with success..... our O falters and we end up losing....... but when we can't pass the ball that good and we run the ball with success, we end up winning like we did vs the Chiefs.

[omar586]

cam is holding us back, he doesn't make necessary adjustments, he's [b]allergic to the running game[/b] , and he [b]gets pass-happy[/b] most of the time, that is a recipe for disaster people, we let teams hang around for too long, if we let the boys hang around that long they will beat our --- , and the boys can put points on the board dont overlook them b/c of the MNF game.

[GrimCoconut]

Cam Cameron can't protect Joe Flacco & prevent the sack. As far as I can tell he can't open holes for Rice to run through, either. He also doesn't seem very capable of catching the ball. He's not responsible for the Defensive Line getting pushed around for the opposing offense to open its holes up the middle. He's also not responsible for our pass rushers being incapable of getting to the QB.

I think it's time we get off the Can Cam. Bandwagon--for now. Look at the team as a whole and look at us at the end of the year before making that kind of judgment. For the most part, I have liked what Cam has done this year. No denying his success. People are just hating him unnecessarily at this point.

Cam can't make the players execute, and that's where we have been failing as a team on all sides of the ball.

[raybaby]

[quote name='Ball-Hawk20' timestamp='1349711058' post='1181945']
this guy should be fired no matter what after this season. we led the whole way vs the browns, and nearly lost because he chose to keep throwing the ball, and not handing it off to one of the best backs in the league. yesterday, rice gets 17 touches for 102 yds, flacco had 187 passings yds, RUN THE BALL ITS OBVIOUS
[/quote]

While I have plenty of problems with Cam. You throwing out this stat line of the Chiefs game makes absolutely no sense in relation to the Browns game. If you put up the stat line from the Browns game that makes some sense but you didn't because it wouldn't prove your point well. If you left it at the Chiefs game, okay, fine. Based on some long runs he got he probably should have had more carries but Rice was averaging 2.2 yards per carry in the Browns game. Our passing game in the Browns game was more effective. Really flawed but more effective.

I feel like I'm missing something of how you are more fixated on the Browns game when our offense was worse in the Chiefs game? Oh there are problems with our offense but it's not as simple as just running the ball more.There are times where that is the solution. The true root of the problem though? No.

[Bravens292]

i agree he just cannot get the ball to his playmakers. the torrey and rice screens were absolutely perfect yet he only called them 1 time. get torrey the ball and let him go to work. Same for rice. they got pressure all day but where is cams sense of urgency to negate that? he stood there all day and let them pin their ears back and did the same thing in the eagles game too. i could go on and on about whats wrong with cam but i might die before the end of the conversation.

[CorvusCorax]

I'm not a Cam fan, but I can't really blame him on the KC game. Lots of our players dropped passes that should've been caught. The only thing I'd like to see more of is short passes.

[rlh445]

Nah I've changed my mind. GET CAM OUTTA TOWN! Changed my mind again, let's keep the guy. No wait, let's fire both Cam AND Cameron, I hate them both.

[Blex64]

I know the new standard is to bash Cam every time our offense underpreforms, but this game wasn't really on him.

I don't think he's a very good offensive coordinator, and I think he's done about as much as he can for this organization, but seriously.

The line played terribly, people dropped balls everywhere. Run blocking was bad, pass protection was bad, the whole game was just bad. Nobody executed. It wasn't a perfectly called game, but there weren't too many plays that left me scratching my head. The only one that comes to mind was a 2nd and 10 run by Allen.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1349735211' post='1182388']
I know the new standard is to bash Cam every time our offense underpreforms, but this game wasn't really on him.

I don't think he's a very good offensive coordinator, and I think he's done about as much as he can for this organization, but seriously.

The line played terribly, people dropped balls everywhere. Run blocking was bad, pass protection was bad, the whole game was just bad. Nobody executed. It wasn't a perfectly called game, but there weren't too many plays that left me scratching my head. The only one that comes to mind was a 2nd and 10 run by Allen.
[/quote]
Lol, yeah. I still don't know why Allen played there. I thought (hoped) he was going to be a FB on some trick play.

[Tiz]

For those interested in stats.
After a bad kc game we dropped to 8th in Yards per game and dropped to 10th in points per game.
I mean we had to have a horrific performance to drop and still be top ten in yards and points.
So I understand we're here to complain that prior to kc we were top 5 in yards per game. So everyone here would be able to get a plan together to improve on the best numbers Baltimore has had offensively?
My word send in your applications and videos to harbs you are elite and should be coaching...

[Bravens292]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1349735211' post='1182388']
I know the new standard is to bash Cam every time our offense underpreforms, but this game wasn't really on him.

I don't think he's a very good offensive coordinator, and I think he's done about as much as he can for this organization, but seriously.

The line played terribly, people dropped balls everywhere. Run blocking was bad, pass protection was bad, the whole game was just bad. Nobody executed. It wasn't a perfectly called game, but there weren't too many plays that left me scratching my head. The only one that comes to mind was a 2nd and 10 run by Allen.
[/quote]

thats the point. the combination of our line playing terribly and the screens being effective would suggest them to do?? Throw more of them! apparently he hides screens in the very back of his play book or something because this offense is becoming too dependent on how the oline plays (see Eagles, Browns, Chiefs). Our oline is not good enough to withstand Elite pass rushers while waiting for long plays to develop every time especially with oher on the blindside and a rookie on the right. The only excuse he has is dropped balls. he could've called more plays to take pressure off the oline and didn't even attempt to.

[AsianRice]

You can check out my sig about Cam, but it may be the first time my mouth didn't spit a word "Cam" during the game. Our players dropped passes like the ball had oil on it. We just need to execute better. I think we were nervous when playing those away games......

I believe as the season goes on, we'll be more confident when playing at others' stadium...