Why Pees Haters Are Wrong (Or Possibly Not)

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1350910846' post='1200026']
Yeah he said it like it is regarding the coaching and play calling. And he wasn't just talking about the offensive play calling either.
[/quote]Sounds like he called out the coaches and play calling to me.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1350938006' post='1200785']


Was losing Johnson and Redding this detrimental ? I just don't buy this .Of course losing Suggs hurt .

I think you can put quite a bit of this on Pees but yes missed tackles,etc are on the team.
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I have never seen JJ covering No. 1 WR, have you? But guess what?
In this last game against Texans, we had Outside Linebacker Paul Kruger covering (or trying to cover) WR Andre Johnson. Not just any WR, but a Pro Bowler? And to give Kruger credit, he tried hard, but it didn't work and Johnson made a catch with open field ahead of him.
So, is this the new scheme implemented by Dean Pees? And there are numerous plays in last 3 games, like Cowboys TE Witten and Texans TE Daniels on crossing routes, left wide open for with no Linebacker in sight. This is not just one play, it is an ongoing occurance and we haven't stopped it yet!?

[ravens88]

i thought Upshaw looked better this game personally he set the edge and made some nice tackles.

[The Raven]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1351026313' post='1201994']
I[b] have never seen JJ covering No. 1 WR, have you? But guess what?
In this last game against Texans, we had Outside Linebacker Paul Kruger covering (or trying to cover) WR Andre Johnson. Not just any WR, but a Pro Bowler? And to give Kruger credit, he tried hard, but it didn't work and Johnson made a catch with open field ahead of him.[/b]
So, is this the new scheme implemented by Dean Pees? And there are numerous plays in last 3 games, like Cowboys TE Witten and Texans TE Daniels on crossing routes, left wide open for with no Linebacker in sight. This is not just one play, it is an ongoing occurance and we haven't stopped it yet!?
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Are you familiar with this thing called zone coverage? It's a neat little concept.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351046869' post='1202319']


Are you familiar with this thing called zone coverage? It's a neat little concept.
[/quote]
Lol, it is neat. But our corners excel in man to man. Play man to man!!!

[DocMartin]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351046869' post='1202319']


Are you familiar with this thing called zone coverage? It's a neat little concept.
[/quote]
Zone coverage is great for every team playing against the Ravens. They can gain 10 yards on almost every play without breaking a sweat. 2,800 yards alowed in 7 games. One word - Unacceptable.

[flynismo]

[quote name='DocMartin' timestamp='1351212216' post='1203676']
Zone coverage is great for every team playing against the Ravens. They can gain 10 yards on almost every play without breaking a sweat. 2,800 yards alowed in 7 games. One word - Unacceptable.
[/quote]

Think man coverage has been any better?

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1351217386' post='1203747']
Think man coverage has been any better?
[/quote]
For Jimmy, yes. Cary.
Off with the head.

[KnowNoLimits]

[font=times new roman,times,serif][size=4][size=5]'Our defense isn't good enough to play conservative, so why not attack? Blitz, Blitz, Blitz, and Blitz some more. Pees seems to timid to me.[/size][/size][/font]

[The Raven]

[quote name='KnowNoLimits' timestamp='1351822948' post='1207549']
[font=times new roman,times,serif][size=5]'Our defense isn't good enough to play conservative, so why not attack? Blitz, Blitz, Blitz, and Blitz some more. Pees seems to timid to me.[/size][/font]
[/quote]

Our defensive backs aren't good enough for the defense to blitz, blitz, and blitz some more. Thought that was obvious...

[KnowNoLimits]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351828577' post='1207568']
Our defensive backs aren't good enough for the defense to blitz, blitz, and blitz some more. Thought that was obvious...
[/quote] [font=times new roman, times, serif]It's about putting pressure on a quarterback to knock off his timing. Our defense is terrible anything is better than what we're doing now, but I mean since you know the obvious please enlighten me on what your brilliant idea could be for this struggling defense.[/font]

[The Raven]

[quote name='KnowNoLimits' timestamp='1351873403' post='1207722']
[font=times new roman, times, serif]It's about putting pressure on a quarterback to knock off his timing. Our defense is terrible anything is better than what we're doing now, but I mean since you know the obvious please enlighten me on what your brilliant idea could be for this struggling defense.[/font]
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If you're going to be so condescending, it would behoove you to actually know what you're talking about.

Blitzing is not the answer. Blitzing does not make a defense better. When you blitz, you leave your secondary at risk. Do you want to play a cover 0 with Cary and Jimmy? It's not wise to leave them on one on one match ups with no safety help. Yes, it's true that blitzing (sometimes) puts pressure on the QB. It's also true that a good QB like Manning or Brady will dissect almost any blitz you throw at them. When you blitz, you leave the middle of the field exposed, and your corners are more prone to getting beat. While blitzing more would help put pressure on the quarterback, it would put our secondary in a much worse position.

My suggestion for improving the defense is simple. Play better. There are no ancient secrets on how to improve a defense. You can scheme to make your offense better. You can mask deficiencies in an offense much better than in a defense. There is no way to magically make a defense play better. Our defensive line can't shed blocks, and they don't command double teams like this defense is designed to do. Our corners can't cover a thing. Our linebackers can't shed blocks or tackle. When the line can't shed blocks, the corners can't cover, and the linebackers can't tackle, there isn't anything you can do to help. The sole solution is to play fundamentally sound football.

One example I will give you is the Houston Texans. What makes their defense so good? The players play fundamentally sound football. The most creative thing Phillips does is call stunts and loops. His blitzes are not as advanced as Rex Ryan's. The Texans get pressure on the QB without blitzing. That's the true mark of a good defense. They get consistent pressure with four man fronts. The solution is simple. Our defensive line needs to play better. There's no way to sugarcoat it.

[KnowNoLimits]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351879965' post='1207769']
If you're going to be so condescending, it would behoove you to actually know what you're talking about.

Blitzing is not the answer. Blitzing does not make a defense better. When you blitz, you leave your secondary at risk. Do you want to play a cover 0 with Cary and Jimmy? It's not wise to leave them on one on one match ups with no safety help. Yes, it's true that blitzing (sometimes) puts pressure on the QB. It's also true that a good QB like Manning or Brady will dissect almost any blitz you throw at them. When you blitz, you leave the middle of the field exposed, and your corners are more prone to getting beat. While blitzing more would help put pressure on the quarterback, it would put our secondary in a much worse position.

My suggestion for improving the defense is simple. Play better. There are no ancient secrets on how to improve a defense. You can scheme to make your offense better. You can mask deficiencies in an offense much better than in a defense. There is no way to magically make a defense play better. Our defensive line can't shed blocks, and they don't command double teams like this defense is designed to do. Our corners can't cover a thing. Our linebackers can't shed blocks or tackle. When the line can't shed blocks, the corners can't cover, and the linebackers can't tackle, there isn't anything you can do to help. The sole solution is to play fundamentally sound football.

One example I will give you is the Houston Texans. What makes their defense so good? The players play fundamentally sound football. The most creative thing Phillips does is call stunts and loops. His blitzes are not as advanced as Rex Ryan's. The Texans get pressure on the QB without blitzing. That's the true mark of a good defense. They get consistent pressure with four man fronts. The solution is simple. Our defensive line needs to play better. There's no way to sugarcoat it.
[/quote] Very strong points.

[DocMartin]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351879965' post='1207769']

Blitzing is not the answer. Blitzing does not make a defense better. When you blitz, you leave your secondary at risk. Do you want to play a cover 0 with Cary and Jimmy? It's not wise to leave them on one on one match ups with no safety help. Yes, it's true that blitzing (sometimes) puts pressure on the QB. It's also true that a good QB like Manning or Brady will dissect almost any blitz you throw at them. When you blitz, you leave the middle of the field exposed, and your corners are more prone to getting beat. While blitzing more would help put pressure on the quarterback, it would put our secondary in a much worse position.

My suggestion for improving the defense is simple. Play better. There are no ancient secrets on how to improve a defense. You can scheme to make your offense better. You can mask deficiencies in an offense much better than in a defense. There is no way to magically make a defense play better. Our defensive line can't shed blocks, and they don't command double teams like this defense is designed to do. Our corners can't cover a thing. Our linebackers can't shed blocks or tackle. When the line can't shed blocks, the corners can't cover, and the linebackers can't tackle, there isn't anything you can do to help. The sole solution is to play fundamentally sound football.

One example I will give you is the Houston Texans. What makes their defense so good? The players play fundamentally sound football. The most creative thing Phillips does is call stunts and loops. His blitzes are not as advanced as Rex Ryan's. The Texans get pressure on the QB without blitzing. That's the true mark of a good defense. They get consistent pressure with four man fronts. The solution is simple. Our defensive line needs to play better. There's no way to sugarcoat it.
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Well said. I agree, the constant Blitz is not the answer to our problems. We have to generate pressure on QB with front 4 to be sucessfull. It would also help for the Defense to spent less time than 40 minutes on the field almost every game.

[KnowNoLimits]

I'm puzzled as to why we don't play press coverage more with Jimmy Smith.. Isn't that why we got him?

[JO_75]

I feel sorry for Pees, his first year with the team and our D is plagued with injuries.

I don't know how anyone can say Pees is a bad DC when he can't take advantage of our talented D when our talented players are injured. Ngata is hurt, Webb and Lewis are on IR, Suggs was on the PUP list for the first six weeks of the season. He has had nothing really to work with, and while part of that goes on Ozzie for not drafting better replacements, I think Pees deserves a pass for this season. If nothing changes next year when everyone is healthy, then we can discuss this even more.

[flynismo]

So people are finally starting to realize that sending in six every down isn't the answer? maybe now they'll take the next step and understand why Pees calls so many zones.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1351910839' post='1208012']
So people are finally starting to realize that sending in six every down isn't the answer? maybe now they'll take the next step and understand why Pees calls so many zones.
[/quote]
I'll never give in to that notion!

In all seriousness, he can't play straight man with the LBs we have because they're terrible in coverage, but he can play with safety depths to switch looks around. You can play both safeties in a zone in a 4 man rush straight man look, but that doesn't mean it has to be a 2 deep safety look. Bracket coverage some tight ends, or have Pollard sit in a 10 yard shell zone. Move him underneath to guard the comeback routes wide outs run all the time. Or do it with Ed if you want to get him more involved and more active around the bulk of passing games. Do something. I don't like how he just sits in zones, extremely soft easily deciphered zones. They aren't even creative zone blitzes either. They are vanilla.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1351911436' post='1208014']
I'll never give in to that notion!

In all seriousness, he can't play straight man with the LBs we have because they're terrible in coverage, but he can play with safety depths to switch looks around. You can play both safeties in a zone in a 4 man rush straight man look, but that doesn't mean it has to be a 2 deep safety look. Bracket coverage some tight ends, or have Pollard sit in a 10 yard shell zone. Move him underneath to guard the comeback routes wide outs run all the time. Or do it with Ed if you want to get him more involved and more active around the bulk of passing games. Do something. I don't like how he just sits in zones, extremely soft easily deciphered zones. They aren't even creative zone blitzes either. They are vanilla.
[/quote]

Meh, no matter how you slice that up, we'd still be relying on a four man rush, which is our whole problem.
But maybe now that Sizzle is back, that may improve (well guaranteed to improve, but who knows to what extent..)

[wayne]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1350910846' post='1200026']
Yeah he said it like it is regarding the coaching and play calling. And he wasn't just talking about the offensive play calling either.
[/quote]

Where is this Ed Reed audio at?

[wayne]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1351879965' post='1207769']
If you're going to be so condescending, it would behoove you to actually know what you're talking about.

Blitzing is not the answer. Blitzing does not make a defense better. When you blitz, you leave your secondary at risk. Do you want to play a cover 0 with Cary and Jimmy? It's not wise to leave them on one on one match ups with no safety help. Yes, it's true that blitzing (sometimes) puts pressure on the QB. It's also true that a good QB like Manning or Brady will dissect almost any blitz you throw at them. When you blitz, you leave the middle of the field exposed, and your corners are more prone to getting beat. While blitzing more would help put pressure on the quarterback, it would put our secondary in a much worse position.

[b]My suggestion for improving the defense is simple. Play better.[/b] There are no ancient secrets on how to improve a defense. You can scheme to make your offense better. You can mask deficiencies in an offense much better than in a defense. There is no way to magically make a defense play better. Our defensive line can't shed blocks, and they don't command double teams like this defense is designed to do. Our corners can't cover a thing. Our linebackers can't shed blocks or tackle. When the line can't shed blocks, the corners can't cover, and the linebackers can't tackle, there isn't anything you can do to help. The sole solution is to play fundamentally sound football.

One example I will give you is the Houston Texans. What makes their defense so good? The players play fundamentally sound football. The most creative thing Phillips does is call stunts and loops. His blitzes are not as advanced as Rex Ryan's. The Texans get pressure on the QB without blitzing. That's the true mark of a good defense. They get consistent pressure with four man fronts. The solution is simple. Our defensive line needs to play better. There's no way to sugarcoat it.
[/quote]

Easier said than done. Truth of the matter is like plenty of people have said, we have depleted talent on D and it is what it is. They can't consistently win their one on one matc hup and that's obviously the biggest difference in our D compared to a D like the Texans. When you can get pressure with your front 4, the sky is the limit, I repeat, the sky is the limit. Going a little off subject, I hated the day when we let Adalious Thomas go to the Patriots. JJ was aight but he wasn't any Adalious. We would have probably won another SB by now if we could have kept Adalious b/c that's how serious it is when you can get pressure with just your front 4.

[The Raven]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1351917827' post='1208048']
Easier said than done. Truth of the matter is like plenty of people have said, we have depleted talent on D and it is what it is. They can't consistently win their one on one matc hup and that's obviously the biggest difference in our D compared to a D like the Texans. When you can get pressure with your front 4, the sky is the limit, I repeat, the sky is the limit. Going a little off subject, I hated the day when we let Adalious Thomas go to the Patriots. JJ was aight but he wasn't any Adalious. We would have probably won another SB by now if we could have kept Adalious b/c that's how serious it is when you can get pressure with just your front 4.
[/quote]

I completely agree! I realize that there is very little chance of our defense improving much this season. I get that. I'm just stating that the only way for it to improve is for the players to play better.

I think there is some hope for the rest of this season. Our defense is young and inexperienced. They're only going to improve at this point!