Why Pees Haters Are Wrong (Or Possibly Not)

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1350248914' post='1189153']
You are unbelievable. The man got an opportunity and took it. There absolutely nothing wrong. Don't rip him because the D is struggling now.
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Not cool, people like that sicken me. I may be just a HS, but I know a hater when I hear one. Pagano was a nice man and a damn good D cordinator. Our D will get better, but Webb was a huge loss.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1350250063' post='1189226']
No matter what Pees does he is going to blamed. I dont think its his fault the D has been so bad. He dialed up a lot of blitzes against Dal and still couldnt get enoufh pressure. The bottomline is the players are not getting it done on the field.
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The way I see it, Suggs comes back, and then we cry about Webb. Jimmy looked good and had a hell of a game tho.

[hawkprey]

We have way more talent on defense than how our D has produced. We can't stop the run or pass. Pees couldn't possibly be orchestrating a worse defense right now.

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1350250533' post='1189253']
We have way more talent on defense than how our D has produced. We can't stop the run or pass. Pees couldn't possibly be orchestrating a worse defense right now.
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I disagree. I think our talent level is way lower than we want to admit to ourselves. For several years we have been losing talented players and replacing them with "not quite so good" guys. In the meanwhile, our few stars have been getting older and more injury prone.

[sflegend89]

Pees is garbage. The struggles are more on him then the players.. Vanilla call after vanilla call. His horrible game he turned in calling plays should've lost us the game. Our luck is gonna run dry soon enough, I feel helpless as a fan because I've seen nothing to convince me the D is going to improve. They look unprepared week in and week out.. The old Ravens D would NEVER give up 2 4th and longs to win the game.

Right when the offense is SB worthy the D is in shambles. I'm not as optimistic about our SB odds as I was after week 1. They just aren't getting it done on D and could easily be 2-4. A win is a win... but these performances won't equate to W's when push comes to shove.

[arnie_uk]

Cody needs to start period. Kemo is awful, just terrible. I don't care how Cody has been practicing, he's shown he's a better player. Get him in there!

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1350251012' post='1189275']
I disagree. I think our talent level is way lower than we want to admit to ourselves. For several years we have been losing talented players and replacing them with "not quite so good" guys. In the meanwhile, our few stars have been getting older and more injury prone.
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Dallas had 1 punt the entire game. That's nothing new. We haven't been able to get offenses off the field unless they cough the ball up. There's no excuse for that. We can't keep giving up 400-500 yards a game and not stopping anyone.

[manofsteel]

Pees could not coach his way out of a wet paper bag. Has no right to coach a backfield. Ed Reed does not know how to tackle and Cary Williams is always behind the defender. We need a new one of all above mentioned. Go Ravens

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

meh, they are still great mixed in mashed potatoes.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1350251285' post='1189297']
Cody needs to start period. Kemo is awful, just terrible. I don't care how Cody has been practicing, he's shown he's a better player. Get him in there!
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Thats how you solve problem one.
Now how do we get rid of Cary.

[callahan09]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1350250063' post='1189226']
No matter what Pees does he is going to blamed. I dont think its his fault the D has been so bad. He dialed up a lot of blitzes against Dal and still couldnt get enoufh pressure. The bottomline is the players are not getting it done on the field.
[/quote]

I agree completely. Pees has dialed up the right call numerous times and the players aren't executing it. This isn't like where Cam blames the receivers for not executing when they don't get open but he is really the one to blame because the plays are not designed in such a way where the receiver can beat the coverage... No, Pees is stacking the box just right for the run plays being called against them, but the defenders aren't getting off their blocks, they are just being driven back and letting holes open up like there's nothing they can do about it.

[Bravens292]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1350251260' post='1189294']
Pees is garbage. The struggles are more on him then the players.. Vanilla call after vanilla call. His horrible game he turned in calling plays should've lost us the game. Our luck is gonna run dry soon enough, I feel helpless as a fan because I've seen nothing to convince me the D is going to improve. They look unprepared week in and week out.. The old Ravens D would NEVER give up 2 4th and longs to win the game.

Right when the offense is SB worthy the D is in shambles. I'm not as optimistic about our SB odds as I was after week 1. They just aren't getting it done on D and could easily be 2-4. A win is a win... but these performances won't equate to W's when push comes to shove.
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figures... having both in the same year is just too much to ask. really mad about that.

[raybaby]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1350252219' post='1189377']
I agree completely. Pees has dialed up the right call numerous times and the players aren't executing it. This isn't like where Cam blames the receivers for not executing when they don't get open but he is really the one to blame because the plays are not designed in such a way where the receiver can beat the coverage... No, Pees is stacking the box just right for the run plays being called against them, but the defenders aren't getting off their blocks, they are just being driven back and letting holes open up like there's nothing they can do about it.
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Agreed.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

The 3rd and 27.... Ugh. I feel like even terrible defenses can make those stops.

I do think Pees deserves some blame. It's not all on the players. But tackling has been an issue, thats not Pees. Personell is an issue, thats not Pees.

I think part of the problem is that the D-line is trying too hard to make up for the loss of Suggs in our pass rushing and arent being patient and staying in gaps in the run game. Plain and simple we're getting mauled at the point of attack. You could argue that it has something to do with coaching (not enough technique emphasis) but even Ray at times looks overwhelmed.

This is getting really depressing, and i dont know how many more of these games my heart can take. But on the bright side we're playing like absolute crap and coming out with victories. Clearly if we play well we'll be darn near unbeatable. If you take a Suggs, JJ, and Redding off any defense and replace them with 1st and 2nd year guys its going to take a while to put it together and gel. I think by week 12 we'll see a completely different defense.

This feels like a Superbowl year. A bunch of games early on that could go either way, definitely not clicking but still pulling out some tough games, and then we get healthy and start putting it all together at the end of the season and ride that rhythm all the way to the promise land.

[nk02442]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1350251285' post='1189297']
Cody needs to start period. Kemo is awful, just terrible. I don't care how Cody has been practicing, he's shown he's a better player. Get him in there!
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Cody is a bum too. He gets blown up by gaurds and gets no penetration. There is a reason he is not starting......


The reason the ravens are not as good on D is two fold.

One they havent drafted for [profanity deleted] on defense in the last 5 years. Outside of Webb, has anyone else lived up to expectations? Krugger.... 2nd rounder........not even close. JSmith....not really still has a long way to go. Kindle and Cody? What a waste of two high draft picks.

The other reason is our draft spot. By the time we draft the sure picks are off the board. We either draft high potential players or end up with someone who is avg.

Our drafting has really been weak since 08 when we got flacco and rice..... however the rest of our draft that year was bust (zibby/naki were decent backups)

[K-Dog]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350248703' post='1189132']


Pagano is a dirtbag short sighted fool. He should have stayed a few more years and got experince. Instead he is going to be a HC for 2-3 years, get fired beacuse he doesnt know what hes doing and end up like Jim Zorn. He was not some amazing DC, he just fit very well with our defense. We should have paid him big to stay. In a few years when hes the dc for a team like tampa or rams, he is going to wish he was still with a winning team.
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PLEASE !!!!!!!!
Do you mean to tell me if you have the opportunity to RUN your OWN McDonnalds all by your self for double or tripple the pay you would not take it ?

I dont believe you.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

Pees can only work with the talent the has and lets face it, there is a lack of talent on this defense. Williams, a joke. Kruger, what a waste, Sergio, not even on the field. Might as well be playing the Arena football league. I would say the lingerie league but they took the year off.

Ray Lewis has to be broken hearted at the shape this defense is in. He will retire being part of the worst defense we have ever put on the field. If you disagree then you are just in denial. Show me another Ravens defense that gives up over 200 plus yards in the running game in back to back weeks.

[Ravenseconbeast]

After 4 straight horse doo performance by our defense....as well as making all-time worst defense records on all catergory. Yeah Pees either has to get canned soon or change something drastically QUICK.

We have an opportunity to have the best AFC record this season. Dont MESS IT UP DEAN PEES. That also goes for the players, and the personel. Wake up and clean up the act!

[nk02442]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1350254078' post='1189510']
PLEASE !!!!!!!!
Do you mean to tell me if you have the opportunity to RUN your OWN McDonnalds all by your self for double or tripple the pay you would not take it ?

I dont believe you.
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Can any of you read? One year as a DC does not make you ready to be a HC. He was still wet behind the ears as a coordinator. If the cancer doesnt kill him, and he is able to coach.... he will be gone in 3 years beacuse he was not ready.

He also told the organization he was going to stay a while and was not planning on going anywhere. Then he takes a HC job to the one city that everyone here hates for the obvious. Hes a dirtbag,

[good_n_purple]

[quote name='manofsteel' timestamp='1350251560' post='1189323']
Pees could not coach his way out of a wet paper bag. Has no right to coach a backfield. Ed Reed does not know how to tackle and Cary Williams is always behind the defender. We need a new one of all above mentioned. Go Ravens
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[b]I AGREE! [/b]

No doubt we have young inexperienced players playing in place of the solid vets we lost, but some of those players are [b]not equivalent talent[/b], in addition to being inexperienced, McPhee has been nonexistant, Kruger is on and off and even when he is on there is no explosion no power from either of them. Kemo sucks...sorry. I really wanted him to be good given his story but um.....no he's not. McClain is average...McClellan is average...Ellerbee is average...MY GOD! [b]I thought the idea was to disguise the defiencies not advertise them![/b]

[b]And as everyone recognizes without a pass rush the secondary is exposed.[/b] When they are exposed we discover [b]what a turd Williams is[/b]. WHY IS THIS GUY ON THE NUMBER ONE RECEIVER???? HE IS OBVIOUSLY NOT A NUMBER ONE CORNER. I am so tired of this walk on playing behind receivers...please...coaching staff...stop the madness that is your rectal-cranial-inversion. START JIMMY! CAN (of) PEES!

What an understatement to say this defense is hard to watch....

[gabefergy]

[quote name='nk02442' timestamp='1350248703' post='1189132']
Pagano is a dirtbag short sighted fool. He should have stayed a few more years and got experince. Instead he is going to be a HC for 2-3 years, get fired beacuse he doesnt know what hes doing and end up like Jim Zorn. He was not some amazing DC, he just fit very well with our defense. We should have paid him big to stay. In a few years when hes the dc for a team like tampa or rams, he is going to wish he was still with a winning team.
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If I could say what I wanted to say after reading this, I would probably be banned from this site. This classless, tasteless, garbage makes me sick.

[Alexir]

Instead of replying to it ignore it.

This defense is turrible. It's chock full of unproven players due to the lack of development/ talent like Art Jones, McClellan, Kruger, Upshaw and Jimmy.

[Alexir]

Unproven starters*

[good_n_purple]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1350260199' post='1189881']
If I could say what I wanted to say after reading this, I would probably be banned from this site. This classless, tasteless, garbage makes me sick.
[/quote]
Yep...talk about a "dirtbag".

[jimmypowder]

I just don't believe our defensive talent is this bad . Thus, I do
think Pees's game plan is weak .

Are our players getting pushed around ? Without a doubt !

But Pees is a big part of his problem .

[Shammy]

the problem is a lil bit of everything .. doesnt seem like any of the staff has a gameplan and poor execution

[Bravens292]

i'm starting to get a little worried in the drafting department. we really haven't gotten any defensive guys recently (McPhee, Jones, Kruger, Cody, Kindle, Smith, Thompson, etc) that have made any sort of impact and its uncharacteristic with the scouts that we have. i'm a little surprised they swung and missed on all these players.

I think our struggles aern't one or the other. Its both player execution and scheme. Pees scheme is vanilla and should hide our defensive weaknesses. we weren't a great defense last year to me but Pagano disguised our weaknesses to some extent and avoided what the defense could've been what it looks like now. I know we lost JJ and Redding but that shouldn't be the excuse for our D dropping from top 5 to worst 5 in the league. No team takes that big a leap by only losing 2 guys who i wouldn't call "playmakers" like your JJ watts and Clay Matthews etc.

Its also not entirely his fault though. We have been god awful in every defensive thing like Tackling, Block Shedding, Gap Shooting, etc that i don't know how he could've done anything better. the Eagles game was his only bad game. ever since then he has been dialing up blitzes but it doesn't look like it on TV BECAUSE THEY NEVER GET THERE! our players make a 6 man blitz look like a 3 man rush! its just that bad. I think we will see a lot of defensive changes in the offseason. A LOT!

[Crabcakes&Football]

[quote name='RavensFanInCA' timestamp='1350248364' post='1189102']
To be fair, we might've been fine for a few games, but Pagano isn't coaching right now either.
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That's not the point though, my point is we are in worse hands than we were last year.

[The Raven]

Execution.

I keep telling all the Pees haters to tell me what they'd do differently to stop the run, get a better pass rush, or get better coverage. Funnily enough, I never get a reasonable answer, if I get an answer at all.

Pees is not the problem. The players are.

If anybody does feel up to the challenge of telling me what they would do, please do! I'm curious what you'd to help the linemen shed blocks and make tackles.

[flynismo]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1350269403' post='1190412']
Execution.

I keep telling all the Pees haters to tell me what they'd do differently to stop the run, get a better pass rush, or get better coverage. Funnily enough, I never get a reasonable answer, if I get an answer at all.

Pees is not the problem. The players are.

If anybody does feel up to the challenge of telling me what they would do, please do! I'm curious what you'd to help the linemen shed blocks and make tackles.
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I'd move Upshaw to DE. Works in Madden...