Time to try McKinnie at LT !

[The Raven]

[quote name='BenMir' timestamp='1349698388' post='1181807']
Because Birk can't run block to save his life
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Except Rice is averaging 5.2 yards a carry

In fact, Rice has had only one game with less than 5 yards a carry. He's had a whopping 3 games with 6 yards a carry or more. Deductive reasoning leads me to believe that the run blocking is more than adequate.

[redrum52]

No

[jdynamite]

Even with the occasional sacks & penalties I feel that this new & unexpected O-Line has played well considering 2 guys didn't have any nfl experience. When I watch games I feel like our current O-Line would be great if we ran it a ton like in the past. Rice has had huge holes to run through at times.

I don't think McKinnie needs to start, because I seriously doubt he has gotta in shape to handle a no-huddle series ( let a lone a drive, qtr, half, game lol). I've never been sure what was going on with McKinnie this offseason but it was about to start feeling like Gaither to me.

[Corvus]

Yeah, let's reshuffle the line AGAIN! And then it two more weeks when they inevitably struggle at times against an extremely talented Texans' front 7, we can can move everyone around AGAIN! Obviously some of you guys missed the fact that Oher is probably still reacclimating to the left side after being flip flopped his ENTIRE career and that Harewood and Osemele have played in a grand total of FIVE NFL games, period. Hard to build any consistency in your game when you are being moved around so much (to which Oher has never publicly admitted disdain for, he does exactly what the team needs him to do) or people are trying to crucify you because you're a rookie who is inevitably going to struggle as you see things for the first time on this level of the game.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Corvus' timestamp='1349722710' post='1182179']
Yeah, let's reshuffle the line AGAIN! And then it two more weeks when they inevitably struggle at times [b]against an extremely talented Texans' front 7[/b], we can can move everyone around AGAIN! Obviously some of you guys missed the fact that Oher is probably still reacclimating to the left side after being flip flopped his ENTIRE career and that Harewood and Osemele have played in a grand total of FIVE NFL games, period. Hard to build any consistency in your game when you are being moved around so much (to which Oher has never publicly admitted disdain for, he does exactly what the team needs him to do) or people are trying to crucify you because you're a rookie who is inevitably going to struggle as you see things for the first time on this level of the game.
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We have to play those guys already? Man time moves fast. That's going to be one hell of a tough road game. Those fans (and players) want revenge for that playoff game.

Texans have allowed the fewest sacks, they should have all day to do whatever they'd like to us. But I digress.

[omar586]

KO is doing fine, dont forget its a hostile environment in KC and they good pass rushers too, i wouldn't put mckinnie in for KO, he's rusty, and hasn't played in weeks.

[Suggs Package]

Overall, our line has been playing exceptionally well. The reason we lead the league in plays over 20 yards is that we have a solid OL. I'm especially surprised at how well Oher has held up at LT. Although he gave up sacks again the Chiefs, those were coverage sacks, not Oher getting beat. KO struggled against Houston, who is having a crazy year BTW, but he's a rookie who's been solid so far. Also, our running game is very efficient. I see no need to change things up anytime soon.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Suggs Package' timestamp='1349727111' post='1182251']
Overall, our line has been playing exceptionally well. The reason we lead the league in plays over 20 yards is that we have a solid OL. I'm especially surprised at how well Oher has held up at LT. Although he gave up sacks again the Chiefs, those were coverage sacks, not Oher getting beat. KO struggled against Houston, who is having a crazy year BTW, but he's a rookie who's been solid so far. Also, our running game is very efficient. I see no need to change things up anytime soon.
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First of all, that sack Oher gave up was due to him getting beat. He got beat. It happens. He didn't play like a brown banana, but he was not good yesterday at all. KO struggled and he is expected to have a few bad games since he is a rookie and he is learning. With that said, Houston is not a rookie-he is a sophmore and a very good one.

With that said, there is no reason to move MO or KO. Keep them where they are. They might have had a bad game, but at least they are getting experience and learning. I liked what I saw from MO & KO earlier. I think we should give them a season unless something catastrophic happens.

[Cville-Raven]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1349738444' post='1182438']
First of all, that sack Oher gave up was due to him getting beat. He got beat. It happens. He didn't play like a brown banana, but he was not good yesterday at all. KO struggled and he is expected to have a few bad games since he is a rookie and he is learning. With that said, Houston is not a rookie-he is a sophmore and a very good one.

With that said, there is no reason to move MO or KO. Keep them where they are. They might have had a bad game, but at least they are getting experience and learning. I liked what I saw from MO & KO earlier. I think we should give them a season unless something catastrophic happens.
[/quote]I agree this O-line is getting older and we need to develop these guys. I don't want talent like KO just getting wasted on the bench. Not to mention we most likely wasted a pick on Jah reid, we need to get younger.

[flygunit88]

my opinion... have to say my opinion cause some people here get to excited like they are on the ravens payroll when you make a comment...anyway i say keep them together dont shuffle or change anything about the o line the more these guys play together the better they will become we are 4-1 dont mess up the formula we have...

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1349647976' post='1180799']
I don't know if I agree with this . McKinnie is huge and difficult to get around and while he might be a liability in the run game ,
it might be worth a try .

Don't be surprised if after watching the the Chiefs game film,they don't give McKinnie a little playing
time.
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This is why Oher is always tryng to get off fast to make up for his lack of size. Oher is not a left tackle, K.O. will get better but when? We have Dallas and then the Texans, the O-line will be put to the test. McKinnie is lazy to me,he lacks that 2nd & 3rd effort but he is still better than Oher.

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='Marc2k6' timestamp='1349749231' post='1182732']


This is why Oher is always tryng to get off fast to make up for his lack of size. Oher is not a left tackle, K.O. will get better but when? We have Dallas and then the Texans, the O-line will be put to the test. McKinnie is lazy to me,he lacks that 2nd & 3rd effort but he is still better than Oher.
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McKinnie's size is a prototype LT .Long arms ,huge and very wide,difficult to get around .

Oher is a mauler type .He is out of position and Osemele has admitted he is much more at
guard yet he's playing RT. He's just not fast enough yet to play tackle well.

Well we will see what happens against Dallas and Houston.

[BenMir]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1349789732' post='1183154']
McKinnie's size is a prototype LT .Long arms ,huge and very wide,difficult to get around .

Oher is a mauler type .He is out of position and Osemele has admitted he is much more at
guard yet he's playing RT. He's just not fast enough yet to play tackle well.

Well we will see what happens against Dallas and Houston.
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There is no doubt that if we had someone better than Oher, he'd play LT and the line would shuffle to New guy-KO-Birk-Yanda-Oher. But there is no one to do so.
Also, with the emergance of Harewood at guard, I think we may have a decent line, they just need time. Any one who played offensive line can tell you that what dictates whether the line is good or not is the [color=#000000][font=Arial, 'Lucida Grande', Raanana, sans-serif][size=4]chemistry. The line is a unit, and our's had only 5 games as a unit. Give them time and stop thinking about McKinnie - he's slow, lazy and can't run block.[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=Arial, 'Lucida Grande', Raanana, sans-serif][size=4]Give KO and Harewood time to adjust to the NFL speed and for crying out loud, give Oher more than a season in a position![/size][/font][/color]

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='BenMir' timestamp='1349791456' post='1183172']

There is no doubt that if we had someone better than Oher, he'd play LT and the line would shuffle to New guy-KO-Birk-Yanda-Oher. But there is no one to do so.
Also, with the emergance of Harewood at guard, I think we may have a decent line, they just need time. Any one who played offensive line can tell you that what dictates whether the line is good or not is the [color=#000000][font=Arial, 'Lucida Grande', Raanana, sans-serif][size=4]chemistry. The line is a unit, and our's had only 5 games as a unit. Give them time and stop thinking about McKinnie - he's slow, lazy and can't run block.[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=Arial, 'Lucida Grande', Raanana, sans-serif][size=4]Give KO and Harewood time to adjust to the NFL speed and for crying out loud, give Oher more than a season in a position![/size][/font][/color]
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Well lets see what Oher can do against Ware.

Man I'm scared !

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1349801722' post='1183324']


Well lets see what Oher can do against Ware.

Man I'm scared ! Look for a Oher penalty fest .
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[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='Marc2k6' timestamp='1349749231' post='1182732']
This is why Oher is always tryng to get off fast to make up for his lack of size. Oher is not a left tackle, K.O. will get better but when? We have Dallas and then the Texans, the O-line will be put to the test. McKinnie is lazy to me,he lacks that 2nd & 3rd effort but he is still better than Oher.
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Mckinie is usually a good play, but is lazy. He did good against Harrison last year (one sack, but it was a strip sack). Oher is an [b][u][i]all pro[/i][/u][/b] right tackle but yet we play him at left, Osemele was the guard with the most potential in the draft. Oher is a solid LT, top ten at best, but Osemele and Harewood need to switch, hell play Mckinnie at RT. Flacco wouldn't have to worry about too much pressure anymore.

[Suggs Package]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1349738444' post='1182438']
First of all, that sack Oher gave up was due to him getting beat. He got beat. It happens. He didn't play like a brown banana, but he was not good yesterday at all. KO struggled and he is expected to have a few bad games since he is a rookie and he is learning. With that said, Houston is not a rookie-he is a sophmore and a very good one.

With that said, there is no reason to move MO or KO. Keep them where they are. They might have had a bad game, but at least they are getting experience and learning. I liked what I saw from MO & KO earlier. I think we should give them a season unless something catastrophic happens.
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Not to be nickpicky, but I was referring to KO as the rookie, not Justin Houston. And Oher didn't have a great game, but I don't believe he gave up any sacks in under 3 seconds like KO did.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1349838565' post='1183824']
Mckinie is usually a good play, but is lazy. He did good against Harrison last year (one sack, but it was a strip sack). Oher is an [b][u][i]all pro[/i][/u][/b] right tackle but yet we play him at left, Osemele was the guard with the most potential in the draft. Oher is a solid LT, top ten at best, but Osemele and Harewood need to switch, hell play Mckinnie at RT. Flacco wouldn't have to worry about too much pressure anymore.
[/quote]

Lol. Heck no. There is a reason we have KO at RT and Harewood at LG. Remember, Harewood got moved to LG Week 4 of the preseason. He's just not a good tackle. KO is a much better tackle than Harewood is.