Nnamdi Asomugha

[1/28/01]

Help needed!

Need some stats for 2012 on Asmomugha to throw in the face of a buddy of mine (from Philly). I think its profootballfocus that has CB passer rating given up and whatnot...

Any help from anyone is greatly appreciated!

[arnie_uk]

I'll get you sorted when I'm home

[Purple Punishment]

In the face....good choice of words because he really throws his hands in everyones face. Last night he commited PI against Ramses Barden which was called on Barden for fighting back.

Asomugha is struggling in that defensive scheme but even worse, hes getting beat in man and bump and run which was his strength,

[1/28/01]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1349106000' post='1174771']
I'll get you sorted when I'm home
[/quote]

Good man, Arnie! Thanks!

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1349106305' post='1174779']
Asomugha is struggling in that defensive scheme but even worse, hes getting beat in man and bump and run which was his strength,
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As to your point as to struggling in the defensive scheme, you're slightly wrong. The got rid of Asante Samuel to shift to a more man-to-man/press-man coverage scheme to highlight DRC's and Asomugha's strengths in coverage. What is correct is that he has not looked particularly good in man coverage. He should look better, with that way that front four gets pressure and keeps the QB off of his game. I'm starting to believe Asomugha's shutdown reputation was a result of words more than skill, in addition to playing in the incredibly weak (at least during his tenure) AFC West conference.

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1349111033' post='1174847']
As to your point as to struggling in the defensive scheme, you're slightly wrong. The got rid of Asante Samuel to shift to a more man-to-man/press-man coverage scheme to highlight DRC's and Asomugha's strengths in coverage. What is correct is that he has not looked particularly good in man coverage. He should look better, with that way that front four gets pressure and keeps the QB off of his game. [b] I'm starting to believe Asomugha's shutdown reputation was a result of words more than skill, in addition to playing in the incredibly weak (at least during his tenure) AFC West conference[/b].
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I cant fully agree with that statement. He shut down many great WRs outside of the AFCW. Maybe its age, I just know that Phillys defense should be monstrous on all 3 tiers. 2 solid pass rushers, good LB Corps with Kendricks, Graham, and Ryans and then the CBs should be shining as well, they just aren't.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1349112411' post='1174866']
He shut down many great WRs outside of the AFCW. Maybe its age, I just know that Phillys defense should be monstrous on all 3 tiers.
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He certainly did, my point was more along the lines of his reputation was built against the weak AFC West. Some guys build up that reputation and as a result aren't really thrown to. I'm saying that it's possible that happened.

[AsianRice]

Simple answer is he is slow and eventually just another CB type of thing.......

[arnie_uk]

15 targets, 6 receptions, completion 40%, 134 yards, 22.3 average, 1 touchdown, 3 pd, 94.9 QB rating.

Webb is 21 targets, 8 rec, 38.1 %, 61 yards, 7.6 ave, 0 td, 3 pd, 46.3 rating.

Neither have interceptions. I think that just measures man coverage, it's hard to judge zone I suppose.

Webb is 8th best so far in opposing QB rating, nmandi is 40th

[1/28/01]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1349117222' post='1174910']
15 targets, 6 receptions, completion 40%, 134 yards, 22.3 average, 1 touchdown, 3 pd, 94.9 QB rating.

Webb is 21 targets, 8 rec, 38.1 %, 61 yards, 7.6 ave, 0 td, 3 pd, 46.3 rating.

Neither have interceptions. I think that just measures man coverage, it's hard to judge zone I suppose.

Webb is 8th best so far in opposing QB rating, nmandi is 40th
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PERFECT!!! Thanks, Arnie!

[redrum52]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1349111033' post='1174847']


As to your point as to struggling in the defensive scheme, you're slightly wrong. The got rid of Asante Samuel to shift to a more man-to-man/press-man coverage scheme to highlight DRC's and Asomugha's strengths in coverage. What is correct is that he has not looked particularly good in man coverage. He should look better, with that way that front four gets pressure and keeps the QB off of his game. I'm starting to believe Asomugha's shutdown reputation was a result of words more than skill, in addition to playing in the incredibly weak (at least during his tenure) AFC West conference.
[/quote]

If I'm correct Rob Ryan was dc and Pagano was a db coach when Nnamdi was most feared. That could have something to do with it.

He's looked like a bum in Philly and seems to get away with a lot of contact.

[Ed_Reed20]

While I'm still a Nnamdi fan (it's tough to dislike a guy with his class and dedication to philanthropy) but his seeming demise after landing a fat contract on a good team has been ironic to say the least.

[1/28/01]

Oh yeah, I like NA as a guy. Just needed some ammo for a dispute with a Philly fan/friend.

[Gordo52]

I agree. I like him as a guy but he just doesn't look like the same shutdown cb anymore.

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1349123900' post='1174994']
If I'm correct Rob Ryan was dc and Pagano was a db coach when Nnamdi was most feared. That could have something to do with it.

He's looked like a bum in Philly and seems to get away with a lot of contact.
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A [b]WHOLE[/b] LOT!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1349117222' post='1174910']
15 targets, 6 receptions, completion 40%, 134 yards, 22.3 average, 1 touchdown, 3 pd, 94.9 QB rating.

Webb is 21 targets, 8 rec, 38.1 %, 61 yards, 7.6 ave, 0 td, 3 pd, 46.3 rating.

Neither have interceptions. I think that just measures man coverage, it's hard to judge zone I suppose.

Webb is 8th best so far in opposing QB rating, nmandi is 40th
[/quote]

Hey Arnie, if you get bored, check DRC

[arnie_uk]

20 targets, 8 rec, 40%, 142 yards, 17.8 ave, 3 ints, 3 pd, QB rate, 25.4

Cary Williams, comparing no. 2s

31 targets, 22 rec, 71 percentage, 344 yards, 15.6 ave, 1 td, 1 int, 1 pd, 104.8

Now I'm going to argue with them. They say he let a td in against the eagles. To me that was ed reeds fault, he was meant to have the deep zone, Cary let the WR go to where reed should be, but read followed Vick and lost his assignment. So I'm not putting that one on Cary. So his last td given up was week 9 last year against Pitts. He's now gone 11 games without letting up a td pass

[1/28/01]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1349127896' post='1175030']
20 targets, 8 rec, 40%, 142 yards, 17.8 ave, 3 ints, 3 pd, QB rate, 25.4

Cary Williams, comparing no. 2s

31 targets, 22 rec, 71 percentage, 344 yards, 15.6 ave, 1 td, 1 int, 1 pd, 104.8

Now I'm going to argue with them. They say he let a td in against the eagles. To me that was ed reeds fault, he was meant to have the deep zone, Cary let the WR go to where reed should be, but read followed Vick and lost his assignment. So I'm not putting that one on Cary. So his last td given up was week 9 last year against Pitts. He's now gone 11 games without letting up a td pass
[/quote]

Cool, thanks man!!!

[display name]

Gets away with not even turning around to locate the ball, and that all the signings could not get the Eagles past an 8-8 record last year.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1349127896' post='1175030']
20 targets, 8 rec, 40%, 142 yards, 17.8 ave, 3 ints, 3 pd, QB rate, 25.4

Cary Williams, comparing no. 2s

31 targets, 22 rec, 71 percentage, 344 yards, 15.6 ave, 1 td, 1 int, 1 pd, 104.8

Now I'm going to argue with them. They say he let a td in against the eagles. To me that was ed reeds fault, he was meant to have the deep zone, Cary let the WR go to where reed should be, but read followed Vick and lost his assignment. So I'm not putting that one on Cary. So his last td given up was week 9 last year against Pitts. He's now gone 11 games without letting up a td pass
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Amidst the game, I thought it was on Ed Reed as well. But looking at the play now, I definitely see why they credited Cary Williams with the allowed TD. In the beginning of the play, Jimmy Smith and Williams and lined up outside with Lardarius Webb in the slot. Smith, Webb and Albert McClellan all seem to be in man coverage. Smith is covering DeSean Jackson, Webb is covering Jason Avant and McClellan is covering Brent Celek. Cary, on the other hand, runs with Jeremy Maclin, and then sits at the 10 yard line behind Reed, for whatever reason. There's no WR or TE within a few yards of his area, and Maclin is left alone in the end zone. Now, obviously I don't know their exact scheme of the play. Perhaps he thought he'd have Safety help over the top, which could've been the case. But from what I see, given that Maclin was very likely to be his assignment, and that he watched as Reed closed in on the potential scramble, Cary should've stayed with #18. Just my two cents.

[Gordo52]

I put it on both of them. Looked like a miscommunication between the two.

[flynismo]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1349127896' post='1175030']
20 targets, 8 rec, 40%, 142 yards, 17.8 ave, 3 ints, 3 pd, QB rate, 25.4

Cary Williams, comparing no. 2s

31 targets, 22 rec, 71 percentage, 344 yards, 15.6 ave, 1 td, 1 int, 1 pd, 104.8

Now I'm going to argue with them. They say he let a td in against the eagles. To me that was ed reeds fault, he was meant to have the deep zone, Cary let the WR go to where reed should be, but read followed Vick and lost his assignment. So I'm not putting that one on Cary. So his last td given up was week 9 last year against Pitts. He's now gone 11 games without letting up a td pass
[/quote]

Nice stats. I'm gonna borrow these and use them in all of the "Pees sucks" threads...hard to blame Pees for Cary not being able to play man, which he is supposedly good at doing.

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1349117222' post='1174910']
15 targets, 6 receptions, completion 40%, 134 yards, 22.3 average, 1 touchdown, 3 pd, 94.9 QB rating.

Webb is 21 targets, 8 rec, 38.1 %, 61 yards, 7.6 ave, 0 td, 3 pd, 46.3 rating.

Neither have interceptions. I think that just measures man coverage, it's hard to judge zone I suppose.

Webb is 8th best so far in opposing QB rating, nmandi is 40th
[/quote]

That 1 TD was from Jacoby Jones and it should have been 2.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1349117222' post='1174910']
15 targets, 6 receptions, completion 40%, 134 yards, 22.3 average, [u][b]2 touchdowns[/b][/u], 3 pd, 94.9 QB rating.

Webb is 21 targets, 8 rec, 38.1 %, 61 yards, 7.6 ave, 0 td, 3 pd, 46.3 rating.

Neither have interceptions. I think that just measures man coverage, it's hard to judge zone I suppose.

Webb is 8th best so far in opposing QB rating, nmandi is 40th
[/quote]I fixed it for you since we all know Jacoby beat him for that second one

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1349158446' post='1175355']
Nice stats. I'm gonna borrow these and use them in all of the "Pees sucks" threads...hard to blame Pees for Cary not being able to play man, which he is supposedly good at doing.
[/quote]You and me seem to be two of the very few that think Pees is doing his job...

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1349133211' post='1175089']
I put it on both of them. Looked like a miscommunication between the two.
[/quote]Exactly. And something that is totally understandable 2 games into playing under a new coordinator with a different scheme.