Merged: If Rex Ryan Was Fired...

[chevalier]

Pees is fine. Our D is suffering from a regression of talent. Suggs is out obviously Replacing the DPOY blue chip pass rusher? yeah no. Kruger isn't doing badly but he's hardly a fill in for Suggs. Its just a gap we have to live with. You can't fabricate replacement of one of a kind talent. the game plan is geared at engineering a pass rush with secondary blitzes to make pressure and then rely on outside corners and Reed to defend. Our front 4 alone is not usually going to generate pressure and thats when broken plays happen. Its the reality of losing lot of guys like Redding suggs JJ etc. Upshaw is looking good though and I'm confident he will continue to be valuable for us. We still have a GREAT red zone D. Yes we give up lots of yards but we had PHI dead to rights until we got robbed on JJ's TD. You guys overreact like crazy.

Our D under Rex was more talented AND younger at the key positions and less inexperienced at others (like corner). too bad we had no offense back then or we might have done something. Why would you even want him back if we could (which we cant)? he is not exactly leading the Jets to success there and his tenure will be short lived. He will get a few more years because of his playoff success but memories are short in this league. coordinators rarely go back to their old team in fact I think McDaniels is the only example I know of and that was only because they are desperate to relive their 2007 run. We have guys getting lots of valuable reps now with Suggs out and while it sucks, it will benefit us later in the season I think to have that depth when Suggs is back.

[mrwideout]

1. With a new coordinator I think we all should`ve expected some growing pains early on.
2. We`re missing Suggs.
3. Our pass rush specialists are now starting. Last year they where resting until passing situations.
4. We`ve played some good offenses.

Finally. Our defense last year was a bit overrated. We played 6 games last year against the 5 worst offenses in the league. And 8 games against the bottom 8. We only played 1 game against a top 10 offense (Chargers 6th) last year, and they torched us. The defense was very good. But not as good as the ranking (3rd or 288 ypg) indicated.

I think even with Pagano our defense would be dropping quite a bit this year. Suggs being injured, and replacing solid starters with young unproven players. Not to mention facing better offenses.

Give it some time. Our defense won`t be this bad all season. And atleast we`re close to top 10 in points allowed.

[PurpleCityLights]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1349053960' post='1174453']

This. Redding was really underrated as a pass-rusher. He and sizzle had good chemistry.
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THIS!!!

[PurpleCityLights]

Truth be told I don't want Suggs back this year, rather he be ready next year with out any setbacks.

[PurpleCityLights]

Our D is going be like this ALL YEAR.......just gotta hope our offence can put up enough points to get us over the hump, Cam don't fails us now lol.

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1349045268' post='1174173']
I would rather have a full bee hive shoved in my drawers and then hit with a wiffel ball bat than have Rex back with the Ravens.

Okay so maybe not quite that bad. I think having Rex back would be less painful and emotional scaring but either way. No I dont want Rex back.

Pees will work it out. Be patient.
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Yeah I think we will see a better defense against the Chiefs . I have faith that Harbs and Pees are gonna figure out the problems
Especially with the extended time between the Browns and Chiefs game.

Now if we see the same issues against the Chiefs ,being the 5th game of the season, I'm gonna get pretty worried .

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='PurpleCityLights' timestamp='1349117325' post='1174913']
Our D is going be like this ALL YEAR.......just gotta hope our offence can put up enough points to get us over the hump, Cam don't fails us now lol.
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I think against good qb's and receiving corps we may have to put up 30 or more points a game to win.

Anyone think we will have to put up 30 or more against the Texans to win ?

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1349122231' post='1174970']
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I think against good qb's and receiving corps we may have to put up 30 or more points a game to win.

Anyone think we will have to put up 30 or more against the Texans to win ?
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No, I see the Texans game being a slugfest. I think that will be a low-scoring game.

[flynismo]

No.

I think 24 points is enough to get a W against HOU.

Webb will be fine against AJ, we will contain Foster.

The question is, will our OL hold up? That will determine whether we win or lose.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1349122626' post='1174978']
No, I see the Texans game being a slugfest. I think that will be a low-scoring game.
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I'm predicting a shootout. Don't feel good about that game at all though.

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1349122626' post='1174978']

No, I see the Texans game being a slugfest. I think that will be a low-scoring game.
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I think the Texans are gonna score a lot more points then they did in last years playoff game .

I forget the score ,I think it was in the teens ,but I see Houston easily getting into the mid -20's or more in that game .

[The Raven]

[quote name='omar586' timestamp='1349109941' post='1174830']
we dont have the killer instinct that we have when Rex was around, our D is letting opponents hang around too long.
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You mean the killer instinct that only got us 28 sacks and our secondary burned consistently?

Rex had quite a few games where his aggressive blitzes were the death of us. He had a few games where he got us burned. And you all seem to forget that when we would play Big Ben or Manning or Brady, we would play the same style of defense that we do now.

Rex was overrated, to a degree.

[rlh445]

Not for nothing, but I don't want Rex's braggadocio anywhere near this team ever again. No, Pees doesn't remind me of Mattison because A) Pees doesn't have the pieces Mattison (largely) wasted and B ) Let's be honest, Mattison's defensive numbers looked pretty swell at the end of the year. Just because he wasn't 'causing chaos' (pfffft) or doing what fans wanted him to do doesn't mean he wasn't getting some good results. Sorry, I'm sticking with Pees for now. He's doing a pretty admirable job working with what he's been working with. We've made the stands we needed to make and he's at least shown that he's willing to make adjustments - not just adjustments at half-time but during the flow of games. Nope for me guys!

[hawkprey]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1349126500' post='1175017']
Not for nothing, but I don't want Rex's braggadocio anywhere near this team ever again. No, Pees doesn't remind me of Mattison because A) Pees doesn't have the pieces Mattison (largely) wasted and B ) Let's be honest, Mattison's defensive numbers looked pretty swell at the end of the year. Just because he wasn't 'causing chaos' (pfffft) or doing what fans wanted him to do doesn't mean he wasn't getting some good results. Sorry, I'm sticking with Pees for now. He's doing a pretty admirable job working with what he's been working with. We've made the stands we needed to make and he's at least shown that he's willing to make adjustments - not just adjustments at half-time but during the flow of games. Nope for me guys!
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Mattinson's D blew us 4 fourth-quarter leads in 2010 and Pees' has done it once already in a quarter of a season. I don't remember last year's defense giving up any leads late in games. And I'm pretty sure we didn't give up more than one 4th quarter touchdown until week 9 that year.

Pees has a bunch of great players to work with. There's no reason why we should see guys open on every passing play.

[rlh445]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1349126927' post='1175020']
Mattinson's D blew us 4 fourth-quarter leads in 2010 and Pees' has done it once already in a quarter of a season. I don't remember last year's defense giving up any leads late in games. And I'm pretty sure we didn't give up more than one 4th quarter touchdown until week 9 that year.

Pees has a bunch of great players to work with. There's no reason why we should see guys open on every passing play.
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Pees also has a quarter of an entire season that we're talking about so I'm not sure what you're trying to get across. There's EVERY reason we're gonna see guys open because our guys aren't getting to the quarterback, plain and simple. That's a lot less to do with scheme and more to do with the great players we have just not being experienced enough to get there. People whine we're not being aggressive enough but to send more players only to still not get to the QB before he gets the ball off only leads to guys getting open on 'every passing play' and there's only so long you can let a quarterback climb the ladder back there or scramble around before a receiver gets open. We see Ben do it every year. If he sits in a zone defense to try and cushion the blow of not being able to generate pressure, he's being 'Mattisonesque' and we want 'Organized Chaos' back. That's why I said I'd rather just let Pees and the defense gel, get a little whole through this nice mini bye and see what happens down the road instead of saying that he's got all this talent and is doing nothing with it; that's disingenuous at best.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1349127708' post='1175026']
Pees also has a quarter of an entire season that we're talking about so I'm not sure what you're trying to get across. There's EVERY reason we're gonna see guys open because our guys aren't getting to the quarterback, plain and simple. That's a lot less to do with scheme and more to do with the great players we have just not being experienced enough to get there. People whine we're not being aggressive enough but to send more players only to still not get to the QB before he gets the ball off only leads to guys getting open on 'every passing play' and there's only so long you can let a quarterback climb the ladder back there or scramble around before a receiver gets open. We see Ben do it every year. If he sits in a zone defense to try and cushion the blow of not being able to generate pressure, he's being 'Mattisonesque' and we want 'Organized Chaos' back. That's why I said I'd rather just let Pees and the defense gel, get a little whole through this nice mini bye and see what happens down the road instead of saying that he's got all this talent and is doing nothing with it; that's disingenuous at best.
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Pressure helps but it's not the reason guys are getting left open. The scheme just isn't working. Whether it's a bad scheme or our players just aren't getting it, something's wrong with the defense. Maybe we're not getting enough sacks because it's too easy for QBs to find an open receiver? There's been plenty of QB hits and hurries in our first games, we just haven't gotten home because the QB facing us always has some outlet to go to.

[ravensfolife]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1349039251' post='1173996']
Say the defense finishes around 20th in yards top 10 scoring and turnovers. If Rex was fired how would you feel about brining him back? I wouldn't mind and feel he's a great coordinator. I even think he's not that bad a hc but if you look at the Jets his personnel has gotten worse every year he's been there. Before you think I'm knocking Pees I do think the defense starts to click with more time in the system and him learning where is best to put the players.
[/quote]I say give the guy a chance. Wait until we get a healthy Suggs and see what the defense looks like. Think about it with him taking on double teams or the teams best left tackle, and Ngata taking on a double team, it will open up things for Kruger, Mcphee and everyone else on the weakside.

[redrum52]

Let me restate, I'm not saying ditch Pees. It was more to find out people's opinion of Rex. I think the defense will come around similar to what it did after the bye when Mattison was here. We have 4 different starters on defense and a new DC. I understand th growing pains and expected and adjustment period. I think by the end of the year everyone will be on the same page and the defense will have its usual attitude back. Also, my only problem is that we don't bump especially when there is a size match up. I feel that would help out the pass rush considering we have these huge corners. He sends pressure and we usually send ateast 4, the problem is guy's aren't beating their man. I see this changing as the year goes on. Ravens defense has always seemed to step up when the temp really starts dropping.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1349136207' post='1175121']
Let me restate, I'm not saying ditch Pees. It was more to find out people's opinion of Rex. I think the defense will come around similar to what it did after the bye when Mattison was here. We have 4 different starters on defense and a new DC. I understand th growing pains and expected and adjustment period. I think by the end of the year everyone will be on the same page and the defense will have its usual attitude back. Also, my only problem is that we don't bump especially when there is a size match up. I feel that would help out the pass rush considering we have these huge corners. He sends pressure and we usually send ateast 4, the problem is guy's aren't beating their man. I see this changing as the year goes on. Ravens defense has always seemed to step up when the temp really starts dropping.
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I hear you. To answer your question, no, I want nothing to do with Rex Ryan. Mike Nolan or Jack Del Rio, well, that's something different there. I would be happy with Marvin Lewis if he gets fired.

[Bravens292]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1349136887' post='1175128']
I hear you. To answer your question, no, I want nothing to do with Rex Ryan. Mike Nolan or Jack Del Rio, well, that's something different there. I would be happy with Marvin Lewis if he gets fired.
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wow, never really thought about Marvin coming back....i was thinking someone like Mel Tucker. why is everyone not liking Juan Castillo? Or they just mad at Reids decision? I like him.

[CorvusCorax]

I think we are fine defensively. We're still going through growing pains, especially when we are without Suggs as well as a few other defensive players from last year.

Expect defenses to get picked apart just from who we will be facing against. Keep that in mind.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1349136207' post='1175121']
Let me restate, I'm not saying ditch Pees. It was more to find out people's opinion of Rex. I think the defense will come around similar to what it did after the bye when Mattison was here. We have 4 different starters on defense and a new DC. I understand th growing pains and expected and adjustment period. I think by the end of the year everyone will be on the same page and the defense will have its usual attitude back. Also, my only problem is that we don't bump especially when there is a size match up. I feel that would help out the pass rush considering we have these huge corners. He sends pressure and we usually send ateast 4, the problem is guy's aren't beating their man. I see this changing as the year goes on. Ravens defense has always seemed to step up when the temp really starts dropping.
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I'm not interested in Rex.

[Kwothdaraven]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1349040251' post='1174041']
Rex brings a media circus, lack of discipline, and division within the team. I don't want him.
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He was never like that when he was here. Hes the head coach of the NEW YORK jets. If he were to be dcoord again for the ravens you would never see him ob espn again

[rlh445]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1349128144' post='1175034']
Pressure helps but it's not the reason guys are getting left open. The scheme just isn't working. Whether it's a bad scheme or our players just aren't getting it, something's wrong with the defense. Maybe we're not getting enough sacks because it's too easy for QBs to find an open receiver? There's been plenty of QB hits and hurries in our first games, we just haven't gotten home because the QB facing us always has some outlet to go to.
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Hawk, that's football. Last year we had Suggs healthy and we were STILL having problems getting to the QB even with Pags. I think he did a remarkable job fixing what seemed broken at the beginning of the season, so I definitely see where people are coming from; I'm just asking that people have the same patience with Pees. The way offenses are built these days it's hard to catch a QB napping without an outlet to throw to since LBs are always clogging lanes, safeties are always blanketing and corners are always draping. Many times last year and this year, it has come down to QBs just out and out buying time for their guys. It's a passing league and that ain't gonna change. We may need to just forget a pass rush and focus solely on disrupting passes and intercepting errant throws. That IS something Pees needs to figure out, I agree with that too. I don't agree with just blaming him or the scheme on the defense's problems. I think we're on the same page, just reading different paragraphs hawk.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Don't really need to restate the title, but here it is anyway:

The Jets are looking absolutely terrible this year. They could very possibly get rid of their GM at the end of the season if their crapfest continues. If they get a new GM, he will very likely want full control over his coaching staff, meaning Rex could possibly be let go.

If this happened, how would you all feel about bringing him back to the Ravens?

[Moderator 3]

No! He's turned into nothing but a blowhard clown. Don't want him and his undisciplined ways back here.

[Purple Punishment]

Rex is a great DC and I wouldn't mind him being in Baltimore. His style of defense fits our style of play.

However I think Rex's leadership ability and structure is very juvenile and does not fit the structure we have in Baltimore now.

If Rex could shut the hell up, seperate business from personal, and follow Harbaughs philosophy, I'd be happy to have Organized Chaos back in Baltimore.

The only other bad thing I can think of is that his schemes get torched sometimes by Elite QBs when they are on their A game.

[Tiz]

Nope. I'd rather try to get mike Nolan to come back.

[PuRock]

Honestly, I don't know what he will do besides run his mouth. He isn't going to fix the problem. He's had a ton of talent with that D in NY. But here its a matter of personnel. We need our young guys to progress and we need to get Suggs healthy.

I think Rex will do more harm to our winning culture than help it. I do like the thought of bringing Nolan back however, but let's stick it out with Pees. He'll be fine.

[Ravenslifer]

As D-Coordinator I'd be fine with it. It went well during Harbs' first season, he's already familiar with some of the players (though not many anymore), and we know that he can coach defense. Most importantly, everyone else will make sure he keeps his mouth shut - that is Rex's only problem.