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The Car Thread

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Problem with the Dodge, Silverado is the torque and towing. They make all their torque at EXTREMELY high rpm's, making towing off the line absolutely appalling. F-150 makes 90% of it's torque at 1,700 rpm's while it takes the Chevy and Dodge 4000 rpm's.

Granted, Silverado is a better looking truck exterior wise... but the F-150 kills the competition interior wise.

That is why we got rid of our Silverado and got a GMC--we haul boats and my sons Boy Scout troop out of ditches and the Silverado.

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I'm little confused when I see a dodge commercial. At then end of the commercial it's states that GMAC is financing Jeep, dodge and Chrysler I'm a little confused about that.

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Surely you mean the Terminator- 2003-2004 models.

The '99 started the 'new look'. But the 03-04 Cobras with the under-rated 390hp supercharged engines are the best modern Cobra ever made.

Those things are beasts!

My bad, I meant the Cobra R from '00. They were the n/a motors making 385 hp 385 ft-lb.

Although I remember reading some tuner magazine back then that they put down nearly that amount of power to the wheels, so Ford was actually under rating them from the factory.

They just were the total package...killer looks, power, 6 speed V8, and pulled over 1.0g on the skidpad. Just nasty!

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My bad, I meant the Cobra R from '00. They were the n/a motors making 385 hp 385 ft-lb.

Although I remember reading some tuner magazine back then that they put down nearly that amount of power to the wheels, so Ford was actually under rating them from the factory.

They just were the total package...killer looks, power, 6 speed V8, and pulled over 1.0g on the skidpad. Just nasty!

Fun fact- in order to buy a brand new 2000 Cobra R you had to have and show SCCA racing license (minimum of a regional racing license) before you could even buy the car. A copy of the racing license even needed to be photocopied, sent to Ford and verified before you could drive the car off the showroom floor.

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That is why we got rid of our Silverado and got a GMC--we haul boats and my sons Boy Scout troop out of ditches and the Silverado.

:34853_doh: The Chevy and GMC are the same mechanically. Just SLIGHTLY different on the exterior/interior.
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I'm little confused when I see a dodge commercial. At then end of the commercial it's states that GMAC is financing Jeep, dodge and Chrysler I'm a little confused about that.

GMAC will finance anything. Heck, my sister-in-law bought a Nissan and she has Subaru financing. Its all about whoever offers the best deal...

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:34853_doh: The Chevy and GMC are the same mechanically. Just SLIGHTLY different on the exterior/interior.

I thought he was trying to be funny. :lol:

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Stop hatin'

It's not hatin' its fact.... My brother had one and it was a TOTAL DOG.

1. Ford Mod motors have NEVER made more TQ then a GM Gen3/4 V8.

2. The Mod motor ( Triton) has a more peaky powerband then the Ls

I think you guys are clumping numbers, the Diesel F250 are B.A but before this year, the F-150 truck motors have been weak.... Does the 4.6 not scream lack of TQ and HP?

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It's not hatin' its fact.... My brother had one and it was a TOTAL DOG.

1. Ford Mod motors have NEVER made more TQ then a GM Gen3/4 V8.

2. The Mod motor ( Triton) has a more peaky powerband then the Ls

I think you guys are clumping numbers, the Diesel F250 are B.A but before this year, the F-150 truck motors have been weak.... Does the 4.6 not scream lack of TQ and HP?

HP and TQ numbers don't matter in a truck as much as WHERE the power is available in the RPM band. You could have a truck that makes 700 lbs TQ but doesn't peak until 6k rpm's... so it's useless as a towing vehicle.

Just to prove a point:

The F-150 has the weakest engine, yet it tows the most and tows it faster off the line to 70 mph.

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Yeah, the F-150 will always be superior to the Ram and Silverado... the numbers don't lie.

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I guess fast is a subjective term, but at 12psi, that Turbo is WAAAAAY under its efficiency zone.

That baby should rip REAL good with about 20-22, much closer to the sweet sport for that compressor map. He's doing the right thing about being conservative wit the boost on stock bottom end.300 whp isn't enough for me in a performance car. Then again, I've been spoiled by big cubes, and well built turbo set-ups.

Yeah I definitely am way under the efficency zone. I will definitely crank the boost up once I get my bottom end built up to handle it. Though with great tuning I have seen some RSX Type S' push up to 26lbs of boost on stock internals. I cant say for how long their engines held up but the K20A2 eats boost and loves it.

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Stock internals, Yes. Almost always though ARP Studs and a MLS H-gasket is used too.

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HP and TQ numbers don't matter in a truck as much as WHERE the power is available in the RPM band. You could have a truck that makes 700 lbs TQ but doesn't peak until 6k rpm's... so it's useless as a towing vehicle.

Just to prove a point:

The F-150 has the weakest engine, yet it tows the most and tows it faster off the line to 70 mph.

YOU are missing the point. I said the Mod motors peak TQ numbers are at a higher RPM and therefore lack the low end grunt. I'm not talking about the acceleration or anything else regarding the truck its self. The gearing in the Rear Diff./ Tranny are what gives the Ford it's numbers. You have not proved anything....

My point is/was that the GM ENGINE makes MORE power under the curve ( the rpm range inwhich most vehicles are used at)

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Yeah I definitely am way under the efficency zone. I will definitely crank the boost up once I get my bottom end built up to handle it. Though with great tuning I have seen some RSX Type S' push up to 26lbs of boost on stock internals. I cant say for how long their engines held up but the K20A2 eats boost and loves it.

I miss turbo engines- the sudden kick of the engine, the spool of the turbo- I miss it so much. Especially my little turbo GTI I had when I was younger, that car was a hoot. More than anything I miss having a manual transmission.

But, I quickly found myself getting used to 0-60 in 3.9 seconds and 518 lbs tq of naturally aspirated v8 sweetness-- and believe it or not, once I got used to paddle shifting... it's not half bad.

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I know a lil something about them..... I used to Work for Bill Anderson in Dundalk.

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Twoo i got 3 words for you

Buick Grand National!

The GNX, eh? My buddy used to own one. Thing was deceivingly quick. Then he sold it and bought a Mercedes 500e. Quite possibly the best car I've ever driven. For those who don't know what a 500e is-- MB and Porsche got together to make a sports oriented sedan. Porsche brakes/suspension, AMG engine, PERFECTLY laid out interior and it went like stink. MB also under-rated it's power and skidpad. They reported 0-60 in the low 5 second range, some owners/magazines were hitting 4.2-4.5s. AMAZING car.

Truth be told, I've considered trading in the e63 for a AWD vehicle. In a few years I'll be moving to Chicago for my specialized residency and I'll need a vehicle I can drive in snow.

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The beauty of the 3.8SFI was the that, like most turbo cars it responded like crazy to mods.

The GNX is soo sought after because of the rarity ( 547 units sold), the benis. were larger turbo/different dash, different wheels, louvers in front fenders, cross bracing in the rear hatch, larger sway bars, fender flares, larger intercooler....

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I thought he was trying to be funny. :lol:

Maybe, but I know a lot of people(mostly old ppl) that really believe GMC is FAR superior to chevy, lol.

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^ LOL. i know what you mean. Back in the old days they ( GMC) used to be more of the commercial grade and often had more availble options. Now a days GMC is more of a luxury brand to fill the gap between Chevy and Cadi.

The Denali is a sweet ride though!

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Yeah, the F-150 will always be superior to the Ram and Silverado... the numbers don't lie.

which numbers? power, longevity, consumer ratings, units sold??? I'll agree with the last one hands down due to fleet sales.

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FerrariFan is just anti-GM, he's knows pretty much squat about them. Mechanics agree, Chevy's are easier/cheaper to work on. Not to mention, FORD will never match the SBC. It's pretty much the standard for v8 power. The Turbo 350-400 and 4L80 are far more reliable and the GM 12bolt or 8.5 ten bolt is pretty close to the strength of the 9"

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My buddies new Ram literally TOYS with F-150's, the thing is a pure beast. Now if you want to take reliability, Ford walks away with that one.

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Being a Chevy man I was still largely unimpressed with the SS.

I mean Ford had the Lightning; Dodge the SRT10; Chevy the SS. :34853_doh:

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Being a Chevy man I was still largely unimpressed with the SS.

I mean Ford had the Lightning; Dodge the SRT10; Chevy the SS. :34853_doh:

Yeah, the SS was a joke. Really it was just a Denali in chevy clothing. 6.0, AWD, 20" rims. Nothing special. I worked on one with a vortech S/C on it and it still didnt do much for me.

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