On to the Chiefs

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='SizzleSuggs55' timestamp='1348969437' post='1173297']
Containing Bowe and Charles will be a very good test for our defense, but atleast we aren't playing an elite quarterback, so i think we will be able to slow the chiefs down and score more points than them, but what i am real worried about is Tamba Hali, he is one of the best defensive players in the nfl hands down, and will be a handful to contain. we NEED to double team him at all times.
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Tamba Hali, Brandon Flowers, Eric Berry... Yeah, that's enough to be concerned about in KC. Add in the noise and you can have some problems for our offense. I expect this to be a close game, a slug-fest like the Browns. I see it like 23 to 14 Ravens. I believe we will win, but it's going to be a hard-fought win. There's a lot to overcome here.

Who knows, though. Maybe we get lucky and Hali, Flowers, Berry, Bowe, Charles, & Hillis all tear their ACLs Sunday.

[SizzleSuggs55]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1348969685' post='1173300']
Tamba Hali, Brandon Flowers, Eric Berry... Yeah, that's enough to be concerned about in KC. Add in the noise and you can have some problems for our offense. I expect this to be a close game, a slug-fest like the Browns. I see it like 23 to 14 Ravens. I believe we will win, but it's going to be a hard-fought win. There's a lot to overcome here.

Who knows, though. Maybe we get lucky and Hali, Flowers, Berry, Bowe, Charles, & Hillis all tear their ACLs Sunday.
[/quote] haha yup there whole D is good, and its a hostile environment. But i am just not confident with Oher on the blindside verse Hali. He'll be blowing our backfield up..

[rlh445]

Hey, the Chiefs have a lot going for them. So do the Ravens. This will be a good one, and yes I DO think KC's homefield advantage is better than most teams out there that aren't on the West Coast (simply because of the travel time). I think the Ravens take away Cassel and focus on Charles. He's a great back and I'm not saying it will be easy. I know it was the Browns but the way they handled Richardson gives me hope that they're really getting the hang of this 'run stopping' thing, and the pass defense will just have to tag along if they want to keep up. I feel really good about 3/4s of our backfield in Webb, Pollard and of course Reeeeeeeeed..Cary well, he's Cary. He could have a pick six in this game or just get burned all day. Either way I'm leaving it up to faith that Dean and Teryl will get him righted at some point this season.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='HoldingCall' timestamp='1348920432' post='1172928']
Webb on Bowe may prevent some Raven flexibility on defense so I see smith on Bowe.
[/quote]

I guess it all depends how much Webb is hurting. I'd put Pollard on Bowe...literally.

[redlobster]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1348871075' post='1172642']
Also great secondary. Flowers,Carr,Berry
[/quote]

Carr is no longer with KC he signed with Dallas in the offseason and I would have to say he is playing much better than flowers.

Chiefs secondary now is , CB - Flowers, CB - Stanford Routt, FS - Kendrick Lewis, SS- Eric Berry

[jaege]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1348953632' post='1173191']
I'm sure we'd all wish that it was as simple as the best team always winning, but with that sentiment in mind, we wouldn't have lost to the majority of the teams that upset us last season. Being concerned isn't necessarily a negative. This is the NFL, and as cliché as it sounds, no game is ever a given. No elite team is ever perfect and even the worst of teams are likely to have some kind of strength, so it's reasonable not to take any of them lightly. I would, however, like to note the distinction between the ones who show logical concern and the ones who constantly foreshadow our demise, as I'm sure you and I have seen over and over again. The latter is just foolish and unnecessary.
[/quote][quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1348953632' post='1173191']
I'm sure we'd all wish that it was as simple as the best team always winning, but with that sentiment in mind, we wouldn't have lost to the majority of the teams that upset us last season. Being concerned isn't necessarily a negative. This is the NFL, and as cliché as it sounds, no game is ever a given. No elite team is ever perfect and even the worst of teams are likely to have some kind of strength, so it's reasonable not to take any of them lightly. I would, however, like to note the distinction between the ones who show logical concern and the ones who constantly foreshadow our demise, as I'm sure you and I have seen over and over again. The latter is just foolish and unnecessary.
[/quote]


Well put, but logic is such a rare and precious commodity on the forums. [i]Logically[/i], the next game that [i]should[/i] concern anyone or give someone a "bad feeling", in regards to being a difficult win, would be the Texans. All the games leading to that one we have the distinct advantage and should merit no worry from anyone above the normal that we fans would have for an injury or something else unforeseeable. Anything is possible (as was seen in the Eagles game) but worrying over our possible "demise" or loss to an inferior opponent is a waste of time, and laughable. Its those "bad feelings" that really amuse me. Case in point, there were numerous folks "worried" or having "bad feelings" about the Browns game. Yet we won. Not easily, but then the Browns always give us a tough match. Still a win. Worry wasted, "feelings" wrong. I agree with you, there sure are a lot of fans who worry a lot. (And have "bad feelings") Lol. What are you going to do? Read them and just face palm a lot.

[ghost1986]

It's a good thing we have the regular refs back. I remember when we played them in the playoffs two seasons ago, they played dirty. Kept pushing and shoving after the whistle was blown. If this were the replacement officials, there'd definitely be a brawl. And I'm also not comfortable with Oher against Hali. I hope we can get the run game going. Something tells me the first play from scrimage will be a play-action for a bomb pass. Seems to be Cam Cameron's pattern now.

[Bltravens]

I think this should be a better matchup for our secondary. Finally have some of those "big receivers" that we drafted JSmith and started using Cary Williams to go up against. If they get torched by Bowe and Baldwin (two very talented receivers, I'm not stating otherwise) then I'll really be disappointed in their play. Covering those two will be about will and toughness, Williams and Smith won't have to worry about getting blown by or turned upside down by savvy route runners.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1348975045' post='1173340']
Well put, but logic is such a rare and precious commodity on the forums. [i]Logically[/i], the next game that [i]should[/i] concern anyone or give someone a "bad feeling", in regards to being a difficult win, would be the Texans. All the games leading to that one we have the distinct advantage and should merit no worry from anyone above the normal that we fans would have for an injury or something else unforeseeable. Anything is possible (as was seen in the Eagles game) but worrying over our possible "demise" or loss to an inferior opponent is a waste of time, and laughable. Its those "bad feelings" that really amuse me. Case in point, there were numerous folks "worried" or having "bad feelings" about the Browns game. Yet we won. Not easily, but then the Browns always give us a tough match. Still a win. Worry wasted, "feelings" wrong. I agree with you, there sure are a lot of fans who worry a lot. (And have "bad feelings") Lol. What are you going to do? Read them and just face palm a lot.
[/quote]

Thank you, and I can't at all disagree with any of those assessments. Logic is a bit of scarcity, for sure. And the Texans game could be our toughest test yet, so I'm with you on that. In reading the, "above the normal," part, perhaps I may have misunderstood your original post. I was under the impression that you looked down on any worrying or concern whatsoever, which definitely doesn't seem to be the case. I personally tend to worry about things that are explainable. Say, for example, an opposing player who's riding a hot streak, or a certain corps on our team that's struggled up to that point. I try to stay away from the general bad feelings if there's little factual information behind them. I couldn't agree more, hence my avatar. It's an accurate depiction of my reaction to some of the posts in these parts.

[SecretAgentMan]

Put Webb on Bowe, play man to man, and blitz. We have the talent, [b]no more zone Pees. Oh bench Cary too, give Asa a chance. [/b]Flacco can kill a D in so many ways, Rice, and Smith's presence make his job easier. We need to be focused, but I think we pull it off.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1348969685' post='1173300']
Tamba Hali, Brandon Flowers, Eric Berry... .

Who knows, though. Maybe we get lucky and Hali, Flowers, Berry, Bowe, Charles, & Hillis all tear their ACLs Sunday.
[/quote]
Oher only had a bad game because of the penalties, Hali was a non factor the last time we played them, Torrey can take away Berry, and Flowers. The rest of their CB's are mediocre. Charels is a hard back to stop, as is Hillis, so that makes this game tough. Our run D is still stout. And never hope for an injury, we are a classy organization, lets keep it that way and not go the route of Philly.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='redlobster' timestamp='1348973652' post='1173332']
Carr is no longer with KC he signed with Dallas in the offseason and I would have to say he is playing much better than flowers.

Chiefs secondary now is , CB - Flowers, CB - Stanford Routt, FS - Kendrick Lewis, SS- Eric Berry
[/quote]They should key up on Routt. The guy was a penalty machine in Oakland.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1348987157' post='1173400']
Oher only had a bad game because of the penalties, Hali was a non factor the last time we played them, Torrey can take away Berry, and Flowers. The rest of their CB's are mediocre. Charels is a hard back to stop, as is Hillis, so that makes this game tough. Our run D is still stout. And never hope for an injury, we are a classy organization, lets keep it that way and not go the route of Philly.
[/quote]I remember Hali dominating us early in the playoff game. I could be wrong though...

[HoldingCall]

[quote name='Brandon72' timestamp='1348928686' post='1172975']
We Need A new Defensive Coordinator instead of Dean Pees someone who will keep us in a 3-4 defense and help our defense to move us from 27th to top 3
[/quote]
I understand your concern but the present DL personnel may be the problem with having a legit 3-4.

[jaege]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1348980541' post='1173368']
Thank you, and I can't at all disagree with any of those assessments. Logic is a bit of scarcity, for sure. And the Texans game could be our toughest test yet, so I'm with you on that. In reading the, "above the normal," part, perhaps I may have misunderstood your original post. I was under the impression that you looked down on any worrying or concern whatsoever, which definitely doesn't seem to be the case. I personally tend to worry about things that are explainable. Say, for example, an opposing player who's riding a hot streak, or a certain corps on our team that's struggled up to that point. I try to stay away from the general bad feelings if there's little factual information behind them. I couldn't agree more, hence my avatar. It's an accurate depiction of my reaction to some of the posts in these parts.
[/quote]

No, no, some worry or concern for something sensible is valid, like an injury (that could happen no matter who we play) or the odd hot player that you mentioned or our cold defense...something like that. Or , of course, worry when playing another top team (which team that is, is a matter of opinion). Its the constant worry over every game, the lamenting and gnashing of teeth...and those inexplicable "bad feelings". What is the whole forum psychic or something with all the "feelings"? It seems like to some fans every game is worrisome, every game generates "bad feelings" of doom, every game is a trap game. If we were Browns fans maybe, but realistically, the Ravens are a top team, and are going to win a vast majority of their games. What happened to optimism?

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1348987157' post='1173400']

Oher only had a bad game because of the penalties, Hali was a non factor the last time we played them, Torrey can take away Berry, and Flowers. The rest of their CB's are mediocre. Charels is a hard back to stop, as is Hillis, so that makes this game tough. Our run D is still stout. And never hope for an injury, we are a classy organization, lets keep it that way and not go the route of Philly.
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Lol, I am not wishing injury. I was merely remarking at the playmakers they do have on their team. The Chiefs aren't a pushover. I'm not "worrieed" about this game--I don't play for the team. I am merely remarking that this will be a tough match-up and that people who think the Chiefs will just roll over are delusional. Chiefs got talent.

I believe the Ravens win this match, but I see it being a hard fought game. I believe our run D stops Charles and forces them to throw. I know we can stop Hillis because we have before. I see Bryan Hall & DeAngelo Tyson getting their first active status of the season. We will need some muscle up front.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1349003900' post='1173418']


No, no, some worry or concern for something sensible is valid, like an injury (that could happen no matter who we play) or the odd hot player that you mentioned or our cold defense...something like that. Or , of course, worry when playing another top team (which team that is, is a matter of opinion). Its the constant worry over every game, the lamenting and gnashing of teeth...and those inexplicable "bad feelings". What is the whole forum psychic or something with all the "feelings"? It seems like to some fans every game is worrisome, every game generates "bad feelings" of doom, every game is a trap game. If we were Browns fans maybe, but realistically, the Ravens are a top team, and are going to win a vast majority of their games. What happened to optimism?
[/quote]
I can't speak for other people only myself. I posted I had a "bad feeling" about the Eagles game. That "bad feeling" was due to me being concerned with us getting the win due to how we matched-up against them. Turns out my "bad feeling" was right rather than wrong.

I would say, however, that those who have "bad feelings" every game or mostly every game are those same fans who go and tell other fans they shouldn't have underestimated the other team. As if our opinions on a message board have some realized & polarized outcome to our original prediction. That must stem from some superstitious self-perceived realized jinx from our fans' opinions, which stems from some other realm outside of the physical evidence we have before ourselves. It's as if some people think the Ravens FO & players read this petty fan forum and use it for their game plan. Lol.

Anyway, I will end this by saying that complaining by both sides has become petty and bearing on elitism. Let's just put aside our differences and realize this is a fan forum where anyone can express their opinion. If you don't like what someone says then just don't read it. That simple.

Back on subject, I think the Ravens have a hard match against a good Chiefs team but shut down their run game. I think we win this game but it will be a hard game. Still, I like our QB against their secondary & our defense against their RB & FB.

[NaveSenrag]

A quick look at the stat page of the NFL says a lot about our passing defense. In four games we've allowed only two total passing touchdowns. That puts us in a six way tie for best in the NFL, with one more game than everyone else, and having already played the best QB on our schedule and the one most able to make big plays out of thin air. I don't know about anyone else, but that's frighteningly good to me. If we can improve the pressure we get on the line, and tighten up the run defense, we could be the most complete defense in the NFL.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='NaveSenrag' timestamp='1349012035' post='1173454']
A quick look at the stat page of the NFL says a lot about our passing defense. In four games we've allowed only two total passing touchdowns. That puts us in a six way tie for best in the NFL, with one more game than everyone else, and having already played the best QB on our schedule and the one most able to make big plays out of thin air. I don't know about anyone else, but that's frighteningly good to me. If we can improve the pressure we get on the line, and tighten up the run defense, we could be the most complete defense in the NFL.
[/quote]
I like our run defense. I think we just need to get stronger up front. I've been disappointed with the LDE & even the NT this year. We need work up front.

But I agree. I think our defense is still pretty damn good.

[NaveSenrag]

I think our run defense is fairly good considering the circumstances, but it seems like we limit big gains and give up only when it matters. So we hold to 1 or 2 yards on first down, but can't get a stop on third down, and when they go for a touchdown.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

I have been wanting to ask a question about castle for a while now. Was it the coaching the Pat's had that made him look so good when he took over in Brady's absence. Because he has never looked as good as he did that season.

[Gordo52]

[quote name='redlobster' timestamp='1348973652' post='1173332']


Carr is no longer with KC he signed with Dallas in the offseason and I would have to say he is playing much better than flowers.

Chiefs secondary now is , CB - Flowers, CB - Stanford Routt, FS - Kendrick Lewis, SS- Eric Berry
[/quote]
That's right. Still routt and Carr are similar, and I don't know about all that. Carr is playing really good this year, but I still think Flowers is better.

[The Raven]

[quote name='HoldingCall' timestamp='1348988583' post='1173405']
I understand your concern but the present DL personnel may be the problem with having a legit 3-4.
[/quote]

Not at all! First of all, the way our defense is run, it might as well be a 4-3 anyway. The defensive line aligns as if it was a 4-3 most of the time. Second, the defense is run just like a 4-3 would be. I don't know how many times I have to say it but changing the formation does not automatically make the personnel play differently or better.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1349013967' post='1173469']
I have been wanting to ask a question about castle for a while now. Was it the coaching the Pat's had that made him look so good when he took over in Brady's absence. Because he has never looked as good as he did that season.
[/quote]its cassel not castle lol., and not to take anything away for, Brady, but that passing system in ne is top notch. Quick, easy read routes, easy completions, QB can get into a good rhythm, and of course for a number of years they have had one of the best o lines in the league. They primarily dink and dunk down the field, and again not taking anything away from Brady but its evidenced by how good cassel was in their system to how awful he is now, with a good oline and good WRs, Bowe is better than anyone he had at ne that year.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1348987157' post='1173400']
Oher only had a bad game because of the penalties, [b]Hali was a non factor the last time we played them[/b], Torrey can take away Berry, and Flowers. The rest of their CB's are mediocre. Charels is a hard back to stop, as is Hillis, so that makes this game tough. Our run D is still stout. And never hope for an injury, we are a classy organization, lets keep it that way and not go the route of Philly.
[/quote]

Which game are you referring to? Because in the 2010 Playoff game, Hali finished with 2 sacks, 4 added pressures and an FF. He also came away with a sack in our 2009 opener.

[Brandon88]

Our Rush Defense needs to stop Jamaal Charles and Dexter McCluster, the Pass Defense needs to stop Bowe and Breatson on Offense we need to give Rice a little bit more carries

[Brandon88]

[quote name='HoldingCall' timestamp='1348988583' post='1173405']
I understand your concern but the present DL personnel may be the problem with having a legit 3-4.
[/quote] A 3-4 Defense is the Best Defense to have in the NFL no offense

[jaege]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1349011762' post='1173452']
I can't speak for other people only myself. I posted I had a "bad feeling" about the Eagles game. That "bad feeling" was due to me being concerned with us getting the win due to how we matched-up against them. Turns out my "bad feeling" was right rather than wrong.

I would say, however, that those who have "bad feelings" every game or mostly every game are those same fans who go and tell other fans they shouldn't have underestimated the other team. As if our opinions on a message board have some realized & polarized outcome to our original prediction. That must stem from some superstitious self-perceived realized jinx from our fans' opinions, which stems from some other realm outside of the physical evidence we have before ourselves. It's as if some people think the Ravens FO & players read this petty fan forum and use it for their game plan. Lol.

Anyway, I will end this by saying that complaining by both sides has become petty and bearing on elitism. Let's just put aside our differences and realize this is a fan forum where anyone can express their opinion. If you don't like what someone says then just don't read it. That simple.

Back on subject, I think the Ravens have a hard match against a good Chiefs team but shut down their run game. I think we win this game but it will be a hard game. Still, I like our QB against their secondary & our defense against their RB & FB.
[/quote]

I will concede that your "feeling" was right. So what do you "feel" the next winning lottery number is? Just kidding. I apologize if I stepped on your "feelings". Sorry. I jest. Its just that the whole "feeling" thing is odd. Sounds like you are claiming some supernatural ability or something.

This is supposed to be a place of rational discourse, but how does one argue the pros or cons of a "feeling". I have to assume that everyone here who has such a feeling is basing it upon some actual concrete piece of evidence. Especially you. I have read many of your posts, and you strike me as a very rational fan and knowledgeable in regards to football and the Ravens. So why not post exactly what it is that is giving you a sense that the Ravens may lose?

Of course, as you stated, and I agree, on this forum you may post your opinion even in a vague way, if you like. Then of course I can razz you about your "feelings" too.

[Kwothdaraven]

Surprisingly the cheifs defense is just terrible. They are getting destroyed again today at home too

[-Truth-]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1349003900' post='1173418']
No, no, some worry or concern for something sensible is valid, like an injury (that could happen no matter who we play) or the odd hot player that you mentioned or our cold defense...something like that. Or , of course, worry when playing another top team (which team that is, is a matter of opinion). Its the constant worry over every game, the lamenting and gnashing of teeth...and those inexplicable "bad feelings". What is the whole forum psychic or something with all the "feelings"? It seems like to some fans every game is worrisome, every game generates "bad feelings" of doom, every game is a trap game. If we were Browns fans maybe, but realistically, the Ravens are a top team, and are going to win a vast majority of their games. What happened to optimism?
[/quote]

I know exactly what you mean, and I agree. I think the pessimistic ones stick to the doomsday outlook so that when we come out with the W, they can be pleasantly surprised. But if we lose, they can't be disappointed, and can take a false sense of solace in that they apparently foreshadowed this loss all along. I'd appreciate a little more optimism, with a dash of realism as well.