A reason why McKinnie is not starting...

[Yatagarasu]

[url="http://russellstreetreport.com/heres-bryant-mckinnie-blocking-nobody-on-the-failed-4th-and-1-attempt/"]http://russellstreetreport.com/heres-bryant-mckinnie-blocking-nobody-on-the-failed-4th-and-1-attempt/[/url]

The article and pictures say it all.

Now we know why that 4th and 1 failed because McKinnie whiffed on everything.

[raybaby]

Luckily we're able to laugh at this. If we lost though..smh.

[Guest Moderator 6]

That's what I thought I saw. If McKinne took that guy on, Leach would have gone through untouched, not to mention Pierce. Should have been a 3+ yard gain.

[BloodRaven]

Watching him closely last season this is actually an accurate representation of his run blocking, he's not aggressive. Also with the play in question it looks like he fired out in the wrong direction when he should have slanted left and washed Chung across the field.

[EricH]

I wondered what happened on that play. They didn't show a replay during the game.
But it appeared McKinnie did a whole bunch of nothing.

[Brandon72]

I guess Micheal Oher is better for the protection because last year mckinnie couldnt block woodley or harrison i think Oher is quicker faster and provides better protection than mckinnie

[Moderator 3]

They did focus on that play in the Replay on NFLN last night. We were commenting on how McKinnie just stood there like a doofus. If he had blocked anyone we probably would have converted. We're now convinced the FO made the right decision.

[Medications]

Yeah i noticed this exact thing last night on the NFLN Replay, i even paused it and rewinded (DVR) and watched it in slow motion and said the same thing, if McKinnie blocked Chung like it looked like he was supposed to then thats a gain

[Medications]

Yeah i noticed this exact thing last night on the NFLN Replay, i even paused it and rewinded (DVR) and watched it in slow motion and said the same thing, if McKinnie blocked Chung like it looked like he was supposed to then thats a gain

[3-4ravdef509]

WOW....that's all I got to say there.
Gotta say I had my doubts about the line, but three games in they've impressed.

[BloodRaven]

We need more draft picks like Osemele, athletic and powerful with length.

[1/28/01]

Yup; fat, slow and clueless!

[ravensfan160]

I saw it during the game. McKinnie is worthless.

[Alexir]

When I saw that live, I was like WTH is he thinking?!?! He has to know his assignment is the outside guy!

I think Ozzie dropped the ball. We should of just cut him because even if he is depth, when it is time to shine, he isn't motivated and doesnt care. He is already paid.

I'll take an undrafted free agent scrub LT over McKinnie any day of the week. He doesn't deserve to be in that lockerroom.

[Ozzsome]

As far as I can tell, it looked like the blitzing LB who blew up the play was on harewood
I guess Cam had it drawn up like this:
Before leachs short motion:
mckinnie and oher have a double team on the end with mckinnie leading up to the playside LB, harewood and birk had a double team on the nose with harewood leading up to the backside LB, yanda and KO had angle blocks to the left. That would leave chung for leach to get some lunch
After leachs short motion:
the blocking, as you would guess, stays the same, but the playside LB had a called blitz, that would have lead to harewood helping out birk on the DT with one hand until the playside LB shoots into his gap, he can then either decide to cut him or just try to fill the gap, as harewood didnt see the blitz coming. the playside LB shoots through. Now mckinnie didnt have anyone to block as his LB was blitzing in the b gap. Leach now had the LB to block or could have taken chung on the outside, either way one player would have made the tackle

so in my opinion it was harewoods fault not mckinnies

[Ravensfan23]

That break down is nice and all, but unless it came from a coach with knowledge of what "exactly" was supposed to happen, there is no way of knowing what really happened.

Looking at the play live, i thought the LB just did a great job of timing his blitz, shooting the gap and disrupting the play. The breakdown says that McKinnie turned right for no reason. Imo he didn't. From the looks of the play, McKinnie was supposed to block down on the ILB and Leach was supposed to get the kick out block on the outside man.

At the snap, the ILB blitz making it impossible for McKinnie to reach him. If you watch the play closely it looks like Leach's first step was to the outside, but he quickly changed direction to block the ILB coming free. Now unless Leach was giving a jab step, i highly doubt this was intentional.

Where i do think McKinnie failed at was to double down on Jones with oher then getting to the second level, but again, unless a coach breaks it down, we just dont know

[DoctorBondurs]

Yeah but he could have tried to block someone , thats the thing he didnt even try to slow anyone down. all he did was look around. Doesnt matter if it wasnt supposed to be his block. ONE play he comes in and he does nothing. like every run play last year. He easily could have blocked someone. but he stood there.

[PuRock]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1348748993' post='1168892']
Yup; fat, slow and clueless!
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Somewhat of the same words that were going to come out of my mouth!

He's just old and ineffective. He's got the size, but that's about all he's got going for him anymore.

[Purple Punishment]

Shoulda put an ice cream truck in the end zone, he would have destroyed the defensive line to get there

[PuRock]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1348754849' post='1168996']
Shoulda put an ice cream truck in the end zone, he would have destroyed the defensive line to get there
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Or tell him the entrance to the club is down there (and I heard the DJ is going to let him guest spin).

[Blackbirds Rule]

[quote name='Ray The Day' timestamp='1348751794' post='1168929']
As far as I can tell, it looked like the blitzing LB who blew up the play was on harewood
I guess Cam had it drawn up like this:
Before leachs short motion:
mckinnie and oher have a double team on the end with mckinnie leading up to the playside LB, harewood and birk had a double team on the nose with harewood leading up to the backside LB, yanda and KO had angle blocks to the left. That would leave chung for leach to get some lunch
After leachs short motion:
the blocking, as you would guess, stays the same, but the playside LB had a called blitz, that would have lead to harewood helping out birk on the DT with one hand until the playside LB shoots into his gap, he can then either decide to cut him or just try to fill the gap, as harewood didnt see the blitz coming. the playside LB shoots through. Now mckinnie didnt have anyone to block as his LB was blitzing in the b gap. Leach now had the LB to block or could have taken chung on the outside, either way one player would have made the tackle

so in my opinion it was harewoods fault not mckinnies
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It was someone's missed assignment. The play originally may have been to block the way that you set it up. I think that McKinnie was supposed to make the adjustment on the line. When you saw the linebacker creeping up to blitz they should have allowed Leach to pick him up. Harewood and Birk would have to double Wilfork because with just Birk on him he would have gotten push back towards Pierce. If McKinnie would have put a hand on Chung Pierce has a 4 yard gain at least for the first down. Now since McKinnie hasn't been playing as much he may simply not read that the lb was blitzing and thought he would make it to the second level to get him but on a 4th and 1 when everyone knows you're running to the unbalanced side of the line you take the guy in front or closest to you which everyone did except McKinnie. There is no second level on a 4th and 1 you need one yard just put a hat on a person and let your back get the one yard.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Ray The Day' timestamp='1348751794' post='1168929']
As far as I can tell, it looked like the blitzing LB who blew up the play was on harewood
I guess Cam had it drawn up like this:
Before leachs short motion:
mckinnie and oher have a double team on the end with mckinnie leading up to the playside LB, harewood and birk had a double team on the nose with harewood leading up to the backside LB, yanda and KO had angle blocks to the left. That would leave chung for leach to get some lunch
After leachs short motion:
the blocking, as you would guess, stays the same, but the playside LB had a called blitz, that would have lead to harewood helping out birk on the DT with one hand until the playside LB shoots into his gap, he can then either decide to cut him or just try to fill the gap, as harewood didnt see the blitz coming. the playside LB shoots through. Now mckinnie didnt have anyone to block as his LB was blitzing in the b gap. Leach now had the LB to block or could have taken chung on the outside, either way one player would have made the tackle

so in my opinion it was harewoods fault not mckinnies
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On review this is correct, everyone is on assignment except Harewood who doubles on NT (Wilfork) with Birk instead of the blitzing linebacker (Mayo) on his left shoulder. Leach who is rolling out left sees the linebacker on the inside and plants with his left foot and cuts back inside to seal him off, this leaves the safety (Chung) free to make the play. McKinnie bumps the DE (Jones) but should have stayed with him a touch longer, he places himself in position to block anyone coming across.

[PuRock]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1348755194' post='1169003']
On review this is correct, everyone is on assignment except Harewood who doubles on NT (Wilfork) with Birk instead of the blitzing linebacker (Mayo) on his left shoulder. Leach who is rolling out left sees the linebacker on the inside and plants with his left foot and cuts back inside to seal him off, this leaves the safety (Chung) free to make the play. McKinnie bumps the DE (Jones) but should have stayed with him a touch longer, he places himself in position to block anyone coming across.
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But that could have been the plan is to double Wilfork. If you look at Harewood's feet, he's all set to go after Wilfork. I think its a stupid design play if that was the case. Because we seem to be running it to the outside so there would be no need to double Wilfork.

Harewood should have adjusted and picked up the linebacker. McKinnie was suppose to open up the edge, and he stuck with that plan , even though it might have been better for him to adjust as well.

I don't fault McKinnie greatly for that play, but he still blocked nobody on a 4th down.

[Hardbaugh]

When I originally saw the replay and McKinnie whiffing on everything I was thinking there may have been a communication issues along the offensive line. The way the play was drawn up to say it should have worked would be an understatement.

McKinnie is good for depth incase the next man up is needed (as opposed to see him shoreing up another teams O-line) because he's playing for his next payday I expect positive contributions if he's able to make his way back into the lineup.

I wonder if it wasn't such a demand and need for OTs in the NFL if he wouldn't have been cut outright?

That said , McKinnie if he would have dedicated himself totally to his craft would have made more money and had a better career , I doubt many will disagree he's an underachiever.

I'm looking forward to Jah Reid getting healthy.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1348745584' post='1168867']
They did focus on that play in the Replay on NFLN last night. We were commenting on how McKinnie just stood there like a doofus. If he had blocked anyone we probably would have converted. We're now convinced the FO made the right decision.
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Yep. I watched it three times last night in disbelief.

[Ozzsome]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1348755382' post='1169006']


But that could have been the plan is to double Wilfork. If you look at Harewood's feet, he's all set to go after Wilfork. I think its a stupid design play if that was the case. Because we seem to be running it to the outside so there would be no need to double Wilfork.

Harewood should have adjusted and picked up the linebacker. McKinnie was suppose to open up the edge, and he stuck with that plan , even though it might have been better for him to adjust as well.

I don't fault McKinnie greatly for that play, but he still blocked nobody on a 4th down.
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but if you dont double wilfork he would have made the play in the backfield, i think we learned that last year.
harewood just couldnt account for the blitzing LB, which i guess mckinnie was supposed to block

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1348738837' post='1168839']

Now we know why that 4th and 1 failed because McKinnie whiffed on everything.
[/quote]
I thought we all knew this lol, yea he didn't touch a soul on that play. It was blown up because of him.... at the end of the play everyone was still wrestling, even the refs were sweating, and you just see Mckinnie looking around in that 'horse riding' stance. I thought he did it on purpose to be honest.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ray The Day' timestamp='1348756879' post='1169030']
but if you dont double wilfork he would have made the play in the backfield, i think we learned that last year.
harewood just couldnt account for the blitzing LB, which i guess mckinnie was supposed to block
[/quote]

I think we can chalk this up to a good defensive play by the Pats. Ravens were expected the linebackers to shoot for the edge on an outside run. We would've picked up the first down. Instead Mayo shot the gap and our line never reacted properly.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1348738837' post='1168839']
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The article and pictures say it all.

Now we know why that 4th and 1 failed because McKinnie whiffed on everything.
[/quote]

That's a really nice breakdown of the play, and what a blatantly boneheaded job by Mckinnie. Good lord that was horrible.

[T3hRaven]

I was one of the few who didn't disagree with the call to go for it. It's good to see my judgment was sound in principle. If McKinnie isn't a bum, that's probably a first down.