Ravens now ranked #27

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1348804966' post='1171589']
This is the most yards weeden has got vs. anyone this season. No it doesnt didnt look good. Our secondary was bad
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It wasn't all on the secondary. The defensive line failed to consistently harass Weeden and the LBs were guilty in zone coverage more than a few times as well.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1348805049' post='1171592']
We're writing off Upshaw already?
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Funny, I actually thought he had a pretty good game too.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1348805114' post='1171596']


It wasn't all on the secondary. The defensive line failed to consistently harass Weeden and the LBs were guilty in zone coverage more than a few times as well.
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True dat. Hope the 10day rest can give Ravens defense some of that last years numbers

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1348805049' post='1171592']
We're writing off Upshaw already?
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I'm not, he's had some flashes.

[Yatagarasu]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1348805049' post='1171592']
We're writing off Upshaw already?
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Well I should say most... Upshaw is still up in the air, however he looks good, but not in the pass rush department.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1348805114' post='1171596']
It wasn't all on the secondary. The defensive line failed to consistently harass Weeden and the LBs were guilty in zone coverage more than a few times as well.
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Agreed 100%. Our DL has become very weak for some reason. I suspect it is the LDE, McPhee. It's him or the NT. I am seeing Ngata constantly blow up his assignments.

We need to get ourselves a new DE in my opinion.

With that said the defense isn't that bad. Divisional opponents know you better than anyone. It's always harder to play them. I didn't expect a blow out but I thought it was possible. Sad it didn't happen. I really felt like we could really boost ourselves in the stats from this game.

But I want to say that people need to relax a bit. Our defense is poorly ranked partly due to the offense. I'd like to see how much TOP we had in the games last year and the yards we surrendered compared to the TOP this year and the yards surrendered. I feel like our offense is off the field quicker now than before, contributing to our poorly-ranked defense. Maybe I'll research this myself over the weekend.

Also, Upshaw looked good this game. He will be fantastic when Suggs returns.

Furthermore, our defense is probably exhausted. We've had a marathon of games. We need a rest.

[blazeon32]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1348805461' post='1171609']
Agreed 100%. Our DL has become very weak for some reason. I suspect it is the LDE, McPhee. It's him or the NT. I am seeing Ngata constantly blow up his assignments.

We need to get ourselves a new DE in my opinion.

With that said the defense isn't that bad. Divisional opponents know you better than anyone. It's always harder to play them. I didn't expect a blow out but I thought it was possible. Sad it didn't happen. I really felt like we could really boost ourselves in the stats from this game.

But I want to say that people need to relax a bit. Our defense is poorly ranked partly due to the offense. I'd like to see how much TOP we had in the games last year and the yards we surrendered compared to the TOP this year and the yards surrendered. I feel like our offense is off the field quicker now than before, contributing to our poorly-ranked defense. Maybe I'll research this myself over the weekend.

Also, Upshaw looked good this game. He will be fantastic when Suggs returns.

Furthermore, our defense is probably exhausted. We've had a marathon of games. We need a rest.
[/quote] Um the offense is the reason we're winning games. THe defense has been truly dreadful. Flacco had back to back 300+ yards in the passing game. He's thrown for over 1200 yards in just 4 games. When has any Raven's team ever done that since 1998. The Vinnie years did put up numbers like that, but he had lots more picks.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1348781850' post='1169368']
Much smaller sample size but anything's better than what Ellerbe's been giving up. Even Ayanbadejo or McClellan would be better. I remember McClellan almost had a red zone pick against Philly. Almost did, but he did still break the play up. When a QB has an outlet to go to for 19 receptions on 20 attempts that is terrible.
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Good point. That he did, it was a solid play job by McClellan. Fortunately, Ellerbe did step in up coverage during this past game, so hopefully this is a sign of things to come, because as you've said, he's been a safety blanket for the opposing QBs prior to this last contest.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1348781850' post='1169368']
Much smaller sample size but anything's better than what Ellerbe's been giving up. Even Ayanbadejo or McClellan would be better. I remember McClellan almost had a red zone pick against Philly. Almost did, but he did still break the play up. When a QB has an outlet to go to for 19 receptions on 20 attempts that is terrible.
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Good point. That he did, it was a solid play job by McClellan. Fortunately, Ellerbe did step in up coverage during this past game, so hopefully this is a sign of things to come, because as you've said, he's been a safety blanket for the opposing QBs prior to this last contest.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1348784209' post='1169393']
Wow, thats atrocious. Ellerbe has been good at getting to the QB though...he needs to be better or we need to find other ways to get pressure.

I am a little surprised that we havent seen much of BA in coverage. I felt like he was very good in that role last season. Maybe because he has been hurt?

Last thought: Do you think we should move to more dime packages and put Ihedigbo on the field instead of a LB? I know he isnt great in coverage, but he has to be better than that...
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And to Ellerbe's credit, he's done well in run support as well. I would hope for both of those assessments to come true.

Great point to bring up. I'm personally very surprised. He's actually seen a total of 0 snaps on defense this season, for whatever reason. I completely agree about his performance last season, and it's not as if he struggled in the pre-season neither, so I don't have the slightest explanation for his absence on defense.

That's a good question. Honestly, I'd have to see a little more from Ihedigbo before I could pitch in my opinion because I've never seen him play before. I saw him one time last night on the TD by Trent Richardson. He obviously shouldn't be counted on to provide the same type of run support as an OLB, but I felt that he could've done a better job of setting the egde. His stat line from last season was disappointing, but like Bernard Pollard showed, it could've been attributed to the collective disconnect within the Patriots secondary. It's definitely a thought though.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1348784209' post='1169393']
Wow, thats atrocious. Ellerbe has been good at getting to the QB though...he needs to be better or we need to find other ways to get pressure.

I am a little surprised that we havent seen much of BA in coverage. I felt like he was very good in that role last season. Maybe because he has been hurt?

Last thought: Do you think we should move to more dime packages and put Ihedigbo on the field instead of a LB? I know he isnt great in coverage, but he has to be better than that...
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And to Ellerbe's credit, he's done well in run support as well. I would hope for both of those assessments to come true.

Great point to bring up. I'm personally very surprised. He's actually seen a total of 0 snaps on defense this season, for whatever reason. I completely agree about his performance last season, and it's not as if he struggled in the pre-season neither, so I don't have the slightest explanation for his absence on defense.

That's a good question. Honestly, I'd have to see a little more from Ihedigbo before I could pitch in my opinion because I've never seen him play before. I saw him one time last night on the TD by Trent Richardson. He obviously shouldn't be counted on to provide the same type of run support as an OLB, but I felt that he could've done a better job of setting the edge, as he was sealed off rather quickly. His stat line from last season was disappointing, but like Bernard Pollard showed, it could've been attributed to the collective disconnect within the Patriots secondary. It's definitely a thought though.

[ravefan52]

Part of the reason for this is the offense is going no-huddle and getting down the field quickly. It gives our defense less time to rest and more time on the field

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='ravefan52' timestamp='1349147169' post='1175270']
Part of the reason for this is the offense is going no-huddle and getting down the field quickly. It gives our defense less time to rest and more time on the field
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Lol, yeah. I noticed this, too. Nobody (or not many) want to acknowledge it, though.

Maybe this thread should be retitled? We're no longer #27th. We're 23rd overall, 13th rushing, 29th passing.

[CalvinSmoke]

I'm trying to figure out when any defensive stats other than 'Points Scored Against' and 'Turnovers' mattered... Anything else is just fluff.

[codizzle]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1349149309' post='1175304']
I'm trying to figure out when any defensive stats other than 'Points Scored Against' and 'Turnovers' mattered... Anything else is just fluff.
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Annoying argument.. Same could be said for pretty much every stat..

By that logic turnovers don't matter either... Ask Philly

[wayne]

[quote name='blazeon32' timestamp='1348807022' post='1171670']
Um the offense is the reason we're winning games. THe defense has been truly dreadful. Flacco had back to back 300+ yards in the passing game. He's thrown for over 1200 yards in just 4 games. When has any Raven's team ever done that since 1998. The Vinnie years did put up numbers like that, but he had lots more picks.
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IDK about that. Versus the Pats, our O went 3 and out like the first 3 possessions before they did anything and in the 2nd half of the Eagles game, they didn't do nothing in the 2nd half really. Even though our D has surrender a lot of yards through the air, they have been getting turnovers and stops when they need to for the most part. I actually see our D doing pretty good vs the Chiefs with 10 days to get things together ( like a bye ) and I feel our D will get better with time.

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1349150090' post='1175316']
Annoying argument.. Same could be said for pretty much every stat..

By that logic turnovers don't matter either... Ask Philly
[/quote]Idk, point allowed and turnovers, Philly causes turnovers too. Turnovers dont always lead to wins but points allowed does. Yards doesn't forsure.

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1348693483' post='1168318']
Yup, Mattison had some poorly ranked defenses, didnt he? Oh wait.... (and with less of a personnel)
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And he's doing great as a head coach in the NFL too just like his predecessors........wait for it........no.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1349206956' post='1175652']


And he's doing great as a head coach in the NFL too just like his predecessors........wait for it........no.
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He chose to go back to Michigan. Still proves nothing to counter his top 5 ranked defense.

[CorvusCorax]

I say we fire Cam Cameron.

That should solve the issue.


Still too early folks. Still lots of football left.

[display name]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1348693483' post='1168318']
Yup, Mattison had some poorly ranked defenses, didnt he? Oh wait.... (and with less of a personnel)
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We had a great defense in spite of him.
Anyway, here are the point totals that we allowed through the first four games of the season: 13, 24, 30, 16. For one of the games against possibly the best offense in the league, one player allowed for 37.5% of the yardage, while another game could be blamed partly on the reffs. As for the other two, we barely allowed any points, which is what mattered.
Haloti Ngata is playing like an NFL MVP (despite the glaring pass rush weakness) and I believe we are tied for 3rd in the league with 9 turnovers (2 of those TDs), unless Chicago bumped us down a spot last night. Also, we haven't allowed a 100 yard rusher yet, our main source of pride. Remember Sizzle will be back in about a month max. The sacks will come.
And best of all, [b]we are 3-1![/b] Any way you look at it, we are winning the AFC North, no matter what our problems are.

[display name]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1349215853' post='1175786']
[b]He chose to go back to Michigan.[/b] Still proves nothing to counter his top 5 ranked defense.
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It's called sarcasm.

[admartian]

I say we clone Ngata. We should easily get back to top 5.


That or have him and him alone rush the passer and use extra DB/LBs and have everyone go man/zone combo. No use wasting 2-3 other players when they can';t rush the passer when we can just cover .

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

This is also the most turnover personnel-wise i can remember in years... and these arent veteran free agents filling in small roles, these are very young players filling in for guys that are tops at their position in the league like suggs, jj, and a very underrated redding.

Give it some time, and give pees time to figure out which schemes suit our personnel strengths. I also think he doesnt want to change everything around to cover up the fact that Suggs is gone and have everyone learn a new defense, only to have them relearn the old defense when he returns in a couple weeks.

and I agree with Harbaugh, its not like teams are consistently hitting 8-15 yard plays.... its big chunk plays where theres a miscommunication or a break down in coverage. its a matter of generating consistent pressure, which i think will happen naturally with Suggs return without changing anything scheme-wise, and avoiding one or two big plays a game that we're giving up now.

Plus, keep in mind, with our offense playing with more leads teams have to throw more to keep up, and we're afforded the opportunity to take more chances. theres been a lot of change in personnel and in philosophy, give it time to click.

Like Ray said, come see us at the end of the year. We'll be top 10 by then

[The Raven]

I feel like it's worth repeating that Mattison coached a top 5 defense. You can argue that it was in spite of him, but there is no evidence to support that thesis. Pees runs a very similar scheme to Mattison. The problem we have is personnel, not the coaching. The players need to execute. There's no other way to say it.

[SideStep77]

Also doesn't help with the amount of players we had step up this year, McPhee, Kruger, Jones, Upshaw. They are no JJ Redding and Suggs. However I think they can all develop. McPhee and Kruger both showed potential last season and although either is spectacular this year we are still getting the job done. They just need to adjust to playing together and playing in starting positions altogether. By the end of the season we will be Top 10 at least in D.

[SecretAgentMan]

Thats called us playing three top notch offenses. Get over it

[admartian]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' timestamp='1349223104' post='1175908']
This is also the most turnover personnel-wise i can remember in years... and these arent veteran free agents filling in small roles, these are very young players filling in for guys that are tops at their position in the league like suggs, jj, and a very underrated redding.

Give it some time, and give pees time to figure out which schemes suit our personnel strengths. I also think he doesnt want to change everything around to cover up the fact that Suggs is gone and have everyone learn a new defense, only to have them relearn the old defense when he returns in a couple weeks.

and I agree with Harbaugh, its not like teams [b]are consistently hitting 8-15 yard plays[/b].... its big chunk plays where theres a miscommunication or a break down in coverage. its a matter of generating consistent pressure, which i think will happen naturally with Suggs return without changing anything scheme-wise, and avoiding one or two big plays a game that we're giving up now.

Plus, keep in mind, with our offense playing with more leads teams have to throw more to keep up, and we're afforded the opportunity to take more chances. theres been a lot of change in personnel and in philosophy, give it time to click.

Like Ray said, come see us at the end of the year. We'll be top 10 by then
[/quote]No I think every game has featured drives where teams were moving the chains consistently.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='admartian' timestamp='1349228057' post='1175979']
No I think every game has featured drives where teams were moving the chains consistently.
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[quote name='admartian' timestamp='1349228057' post='1175979']
No I think every game has featured drives where teams were moving the chains consistently.
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18.6 yards per 1st down. sustaining yes but with big chunks at a time

[admartian]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' timestamp='1349245349' post='1176137']
18.6 yards per 1st down. sustaining yes but with big chunks at a time
[/quote]Meh - they're still moving the ball on us more frequently than previous Raven defenses.