Joe Flacco the top QB in AFC?

[FerrariFan87]

Flacco is an amazing QB now coming into his own... once he puts up these big games consistently, watch out! These aren't your dad's Ravens on offense anymore. We're lethal.

[display name]

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[ratedr]

It's possible (yes, this is me).

Truth is, there isn't much competition, at least not right now.

Brady and Manning are getting up there in age, I don't suspect that Ben plays much longer because of the way he plays (too many hits...though I'll say he's been great so far this season, so maybe I'm wrong), and Rivers has seemingly regressed. Schaub is a wildcard - he can be good, but he needs to stay healthy. And then of course you have the young guys like Luck and Dalton where it's just too early to say.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1348714087' post='1168653']
It's possible (yes, this is me).

Truth is, there isn't much competition, at least not right now.

Brady and Manning are getting up there in age, I don't suspect that Ben plays much longer because of the way he plays (too many hits...though I'll say he's been great so far this season, so maybe I'm wrong), and Rivers has seemingly regressed. Schaub is a wildcard - he can be good, but he needs to stay healthy. And then of course you have the young guys like Luck and Dalton where it's just too early to say.
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Ahhh, so by default? Got it....

Carry on.

[ratedr]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1348714239' post='1168655']
Ahhh, so by default? Got it....

Carry on.
[/quote]How else? Brady is still playing at a pretty high level, and as much as I hate to say it, so is Ben R.

Right NOW, I'd pick Flacco at #3 behind those guys, since Manning and Rivers are struggling. But both are capable of turning it on at any time, so overall it's hard for me to definitively put him over them.

So at worst, that makes him #5.

[CalvinSmoke]

I really hope that those that are saying that he is elite are still willing to ride on the trip that Flacco is going to put us on. Because he's going to throw a few games away over the next couple of years... It's just going to happen. That Patriot CB dropped a sure interception that would have ended our game winning drive (He always throws on of those near interceptions on game winning drives) but Flacco is the best QB we've had. And I've truly enjoyed watching his development

Flacco4President

[admartian]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1348716127' post='1168694']
I really hope that those that are saying that he is elite are still willing to ride on the trip that Flacco is going to put us on. Because he's going to throw a few games away over the next couple of years... It's just going to happen. That Patriot CB dropped a sure interception that would have ended our game winning drive (He always throws on of those near interceptions on game winning drives) but Flacco is the best QB we've had. And I've truly enjoyed watching his development

Flacco4President
[/quote]I sure am. Will I be disappointed sometimes? Sure.

But name me a QB who's had perfect games [i][b]every single game[/b][/i] that they play....

[flynismo]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1348716127' post='1168694'] Because he's going to throw a few games away over the next couple of years...
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And? If it's just a few, meaning 2 - 4 games, then that is ..... elite!

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1348716572' post='1168707']
And? If it's just a few, meaning 2 - 4 games, then that is ..... elite!
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[quote name='admartian' timestamp='1348716342' post='1168703']
I sure am. Will I be disappointed sometimes? Sure.

But name me a QB who's had perfect games [i][b]every single game[/b][/i] that they play....
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I completely agree with the both of you. That's just how the sport works... Sometimes we lose, it happens. But you see how our boards blow up when he has a tough game. This board would still be dooms day if he would have gotten picked off at the end of that game

[ArmyRavensFan]

[quote name='SpiderWebb21' timestamp='1348684497' post='1168139']
I hate all the elite talks. If he wins us games, I could care less what his status is according to everyone else. I wish he'd be more consistent. Sometimes he just comes out and falls flat, like the Eagles. Sometimes he comes out and leads drives in the final minutes, like the Patriots. If he continues to play up to his potential and our receivers get separation, we're a top 5 offense.
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We act like Joe is the only QB that comes out flat or has a bad game. This consistancy talk is nonsense. Look at every QB in the league and you could pretty much say the same thing. How well did Rodgers play last week? Vick? Manning has had bad games this year and Brees isnt setting the world on fire. Now I do not think Flacco is the best QB in the league or better than Brady, Brees, Manning, or Rodgers, but he is pretty darn good and a top ten QB. All I am saying is that no QB is consistant all of the time.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1348716572' post='1168707']
And? If it's just a few, meaning 2 - 4 games, then that is ..... elite!
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And the key here is this: have you ever seen Flacco the slightest bit rattled over a loss or mistake on his part? This guy can bounce back from anything. That's what makes him elite in my eyes from the day he started. Nothing's ever too much for him.

Matty "Ice"'s first touchdown came against the lowly Lions. Flacco's first touchdowns was a huge down the field scramble on a busted play, and his first pasing touchdown came against the Steelers defense, which back then was lethal.

[PolishRifle]

The defenses Joe has to throw against in the next 4 games:

Browns Ranked 25th
Chiefs Ranked 16th
Cowboys Ranked 1st (should be us )
Texans Ranked 2nd (more deserving of that number 1 spot)

The difficulty will ramp up with every game. I am ready to give Joe a pass for his performance in Philly, because he was sharp in th 1st half and the 2nd half devolved into chaos. But Joe can make a couple statements and the schedule is set up perfectly for him.
He has two average/bad defenses to play against the 1st at home and 2nd on the road (with arguably the best homefield advantage in the league) and after that two good/great defenses; again, the 1st at home and 2nd on the road. Joe has time to gain confidence and ease into the challanges the Cowboys and Texans defenses pose like into warm bath. Proof those critics wrong Joe!

[3-4ravdef509]

Polish, is your signature for real?

[A Fish Called Yanda]

I'm hoping Joe has turned the corner on his consistency. I truly feel that with a QB coach like Jim Caldwell, his numbers will become more consistent, and those numbers will be good.

While it's true that all quarterbacks have flat games, I feel like Joe varies wildly from game to game. I'm hoping that last year it was just Cam's play-calling and the lack of a QB coach, but look at Joe's QB ratings from last years games. Looking at the first 8 games:

Week 1 vs PIT: 117.6
Week 2 at TEN: 51.2
Week 3 at STL: 103.6
Week 4 vs NYJ: 37.4
Week 6 vs HOU: 78.5
Week 7 at JAC: 61.0
Week 8 vs ARI: 72.0
Week 9 at PIT: 85,4

If he continues to be as inconsistent as that ^^, then he won't be considered the top QB in the AFC. This year, the trend seems to be continuing:

Week 1 vs CIN: 85.4
Week 2 at PHI: 65.3
Week 3 vs NE: 97.6

Hopefully the game against Philly was just a blip, and we won't see any more numbers that low for a while. Also, the Eagles were practically mugging our receivers due to the replacement refs, so that may have some bearing on the situation.

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1348747072' post='1168879']
Polish, is your signature for real?
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Prisco really said that, if that's what you're asking.

[PolishRifle]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1348747072' post='1168879']
Polish, is your signature for real?
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What do you mean? That Pete Prisco wrote that after the 2008 draft? Yes and that clown really works for CBS Sports. Yea, I don't know how he got that job either.

[flynismo]

[quote name='terpsnation' timestamp='1348747782' post='1168883']
I'm hoping Joe has turned the corner on his consistency. I truly feel that with a QB coach like Jim Caldwell, his numbers will become more consistent, and those numbers will be good.

While it's true that all quarterbacks have flat games, I feel like Joe varies wildly from game to game. I'm hoping that last year it was just Cam's play-calling and the lack of a QB coach, but look at Joe's QB ratings from last years games. Looking at the first 8 games:

Week 1 vs PIT: 74.3
Week 2 at TEN: 14.9
Week 3 at STL: 79.6
Week 4 vs NYJ: 14.7
Week 5 vs HOU: 80.4
Week 6 at JAC: 19.0
Week 7 vs ARI: 54.5
Week 8 at PIT: 81.8

If he continues to be as inconsistent as that ^^, then he won't be considered the top QB in the AFC. This year, the trend seems to be continuing:

Week 1 vs CIN: 95.1
Week 2 at PHI: 24.6
Week 3 vs NE: 93.2

Hopefully the game against Philly was just a blip, and we won't see any more numbers that low for a while. Also, the Eagles were practically mugging our receivers due to the replacement refs, so that may have some bearing on the situation.
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Where are you getting those numbers from? Because they are not even close to accurate

[b]2012 Season[/b]

Week 1 vs CIN: 128.4
Week 2 at PHI: 66.8
Week 3 vs NE: 117.7

And last season, I dont feel like going through it all, so just look here:
http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/gamelogs?season=2011

It's like you are a Flacco hater with a vendetta -- his good games are much better than you indicated, and his bad games were grossly exaggerated

[Moderator 3]

Those numbers look like they might be that stupid system ESPN came up with. They definitely aren't the standard QBR.

[berad]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1348749909' post='1168898']
Those numbers look like they might be that [b]stupid system ESPN came up with[/b]. They definitely aren't the standard QBR.
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We need a vomit smiley

[raybaby]

Espns quarterback rating is worthless

[A Fish Called Yanda]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1348749632' post='1168896']
Where are you getting those numbers from? Because they are not even close to accurate

[b]2012 Season[/b]

Week 1 vs CIN: 128.4
Week 2 at PHI: 66.8
Week 3 vs NE: 117.7

And last season, I dont feel like going through it all, so just look here:
[url="http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/gamelogs?season=2011"]http://www.nfl.com/p...ogs?season=2011[/url]

It's like you are a Flacco hater with a vendetta -- his good games are much better than you indicated, and his bad games were grossly exaggerated
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Using Total QBR instead of Passer Rating. Even looking at just the Passer Rating, you can see major inconsistency in his games last year.

And I in no way have a vendetta against Flacco, not exactly sure where you got that from (other than the difference between QBR and Passer Rating). I am 100% a Joe supporter.


EDIT: Will update w/ Passer Rating to make you happy

[flynismo]

[quote name='terpsnation' timestamp='1348750181' post='1168902']
Using Total QBR instead of Passer Rating. Even looking at just the Passer Rating, you can see major inconsistency in his games last year.

And I in no way have a vendetta against Flacco, not exactly sure where you got that from (other than the difference between QBR and Passer Rating). I am 100% a Joe supporter.


EDIT: Will update w/ Passer Rating to make you happy
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I'm not saying you are a Flacco hater, lol...sorry if you got that impression

Regarding QBR last year, I'd say no, he wasn't any more or less consistent than anyone else in the league
(for the sake of debate, I'll repost the link to NFL.com for easy viewing)

http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/gamelogs?season=2011

[A Fish Called Yanda]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1348749632' post='1168896']
[b]It's like you are a Flacco hater with a vendetta[/b] -- his good games are much better than you indicated, and his bad games were grossly exaggerated
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Don't know how I would get that impression.

[flynismo]

[quote name='terpsnation' timestamp='1348750449' post='1168908']
Don't know how I would get that impression.


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Exactly, I compared your post to one....if I thought you were one, I'd call you edreedfromtheu Jr.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='JoeCool#5' timestamp='1348706674' post='1168533']
Actually 8, for the first game of the season, Joe was sitting on the bench in the 4th.
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As someone said, totally counts.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1348750638' post='1168913']
Exactly, I compared your post to one....if I thought you were one, I'd call you edreedfromtheu Jr.
[/quote]

Haha. Okay - I accept your excuse.

[Brandon72]

Joe Flacco really is Just cause he hasn't won a superbowl yet people doubt him but im a TRUE RAVENS FAN and I say WE R WINNING THE SUPERBOWL THIS YEAR

[raybaby]

Passer rating can be misleading as well. The Arizona game he had a 70 something rating because he had 1 INT to no TDs. But Torrey lost the ball on the INT and we ran for TDs on the 1 yard line that were set up by the pass.

[flynismo]

[quote name='terpsnation' timestamp='1348750859' post='1168917']
Haha. Okay - I accept your excuse.
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Back on topic, I think that if you look at the numbers, Flacco wasn't as inconsistent as people made him out to be last year.
However, that isn't necessarily a good thing either, because his QBR was mediocre fairly consistently

[A Fish Called Yanda]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1348751164' post='1168921']
Back on topic, I think that if you look at the numbers, Flacco wasn't as inconsistent as people made him out to be last year.
However, that isn't necessarily a good thing either, because his QBR was mediocre fairly consistently
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Just comparing it quickly to Tom Brady's first 8 games last year:

Week 1 @ MIA: 121.6
Week 2 vs SD: 135.7
Week 3 @ BUF: 86.1
Week 4 @ OAK: 100.1
Week 5 vs NYJ: 100.7
Week 6 vs DAL: 82.3
Week 8 at PIT: 101.8
Week 9 vs NYG: 75.4

Seems far more consistent above 100, and his bad games are no where near as low as Joe's.

Need a mathematician in here to crunch these numbers and give us a square root, or variance, or whatever.