Dont Take This The Wrong Way

[nextgen_RavensFan]

To me, in order to sign Ray Lewis to a 5 year deal and keep Suggs here next year i think the following will have to happen. You will probably have to let Todd Heap go, Samari Rolle and Chris Mac. I am not a fan of that idea either but lets face it Rolle has been hurt a majority of the time. CMac is prone to some big plays regularly and well todd heap isnt todd heap anymore. So if we drop those three we can sign ray and suggs i think.

[Sizzle]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' post='85074' date='Nov 5 2008, 02:54 PM']To me, in order to sign Ray Lewis to a 5 year deal and keep Suggs here next year i think the following will have to happen. You will probably have to let Todd Heap go, Samari Rolle and Chris Mac. I am not a fan of that idea either but lets face it Rolle has been hurt a majority of the time. CMac is prone to some big plays regularly and well todd heap isnt todd heap anymore. So if we drop those three we can sign ray and suggs i think.[/quote]

I think that's stupid C Mac is an excellent player, Todd heap is an excellent player he was the one that put the block on number 52 when ray rice made the cut and ran 60 yards. Samari rolle gets injured but when he gets in he is great so non of these players will go. Dont get me wrong both washington and walker are doing a good job but when we play G-men, Eagles, and Dallas we wont do smack. The only reason they are covering good is because all the teams we played dont have the combination of a good QB and WR

[#1 D]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' post='85074' date='Nov 5 2008, 02:54 PM']To me, in order to sign Ray Lewis to a 5 year deal and keep Suggs here next year i think the following will have to happen. You will probably have to let Todd Heap go, Samari Rolle and Chris Mac. I am not a fan of that idea either but lets face it Rolle has been hurt a majority of the time. CMac is prone to some big plays regularly and well todd heap isnt todd heap anymore. So if we drop those three we can sign ray and suggs i think.[/quote]

Todd Heap is definitely having an off-season. but the way our TE's have been every year in terms of depth, i think we'll keep him. I think C-mac and Samari would possibly go, but then we would have to go and draft a corner.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

I think fabian washington will be a decent replacement for one and if IVY leanrs to be patient and not try for the interception every play he would make a decent corner. I am not sure why heap is having such a tough year but we have always been defense first and if we let go of the three i mentioned i think we will still be able to draft some decent recievers and a tight end.

[itscbm5042]

Its simple, you let CMac and Bart Scott go and that frees up 15 mil in cap space. You re-sign Ray to a deal with a heavy signing bonus and low salary to free up more cap space, then you give Suggs a nice long-term contract. Should end up with around 15 mil in space when its all said and done.

[RavensIQ]

We have enough cap space. More than you think. Ray's large signing bonus will free up even more cap space next year. If Suggs gets locked down to a long term deal his signing bonus will be somewhere in the 20-30 Mill range and it will save a lot of space for 09. We might even have enough freed space to sign a couple FA and if we decide to part way with C'Mac we'll have 8 more mill to work with.

I think Suggs, Ray, and Brown will definitely get a new contract will be re-signed for next season. I think we will be able to afford for Scott to stick around for another season but that money might be used elsewhere especially if there is an enticing free agent on the market. Like TJ whoseyamomma. If C'Mac goes we would have a lot more room to work with than if heap goes. C'Mac over Heap by a landslide. Heap restructured his Contract jus so we could have more salary room for this year. Heap has too much value and is too much of a team player for this team to just cut.

[Fred Sanford]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' post='85078' date='Nov 5 2008, 03:16 PM']I am not sure why heap is having such a tough year[/quote]

A lot of teams are stuck in the past, thinking that Heap and the running game are our entire offense, as they were for a long time.

That's a big reason Derrick continues to see such favorable matchups each week despite clearly being our no. 1 target.

The O-line's youth has often relegated Todd to pass blocking, as we've seen. I think Joe and Heap himself may be having confidence problems after the Bengals game, what with the fumble and dropped TD in the same game. It's hard to make a lot of catches when the QB doesn't go to you much.

That being said, he doesn't look the same (yet), and it's very disappointing and puzzling.

[CARavensFan]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' post='85074' date='Nov 5 2008, 11:54 AM']To me, in order to sign Ray Lewis to a 5 year deal and keep Suggs here next year i think the following will have to happen. You will probably have to let Todd Heap go, Samari Rolle and Chris Mac. I am not a fan of that idea either but lets face it Rolle has been hurt a majority of the time. CMac is prone to some big plays regularly and well todd heap isnt todd heap anymore. So if we drop those three we can sign ray and suggs i think.[/quote]
Why is it that everyone seems to be having such doom and gloom about our cap room coming up this year and sees the need to cut players to free up space? We're not the Raiders and our cap isn't as bad as everyone seems to think it is.

I would agree that after this season either Rolle or McAllister will most likely be gone, but I strongly disagree about Todd Heap. So many people are looking at him as a one dimensional player that only catches passes and if he doesn't do that than he must be having an off-season, the fact is that he's been doing some great blocking for us to help out our Offensive Line and by blocking in the second level to open holes for our RBs. Just look at several of Ray Rice's big runs last week and watch for Heap on them, he is involved nearly every time.

[jfc13]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='85082' date='Nov 5 2008, 03:30 PM']... Heap restructured his Contract jus so we could have more salary room for this year. Heap has too much value and is too much of a team player for this team to just cut.[/quote]
How many tight ends would not complain when his main role turns out to be as a blocker? I've heard Heap say that he doesn't mind as long as it helps the team. I think this is additional evidence that Heap is a team player.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='jfc13' post='85103' date='Nov 5 2008, 05:04 PM']How many tight ends would not complain when his main role turns out to be as a blocker? I've heard Heap say that he doesn't mind as long as it helps the team. I think this is additional evidence that Heap is a team player.[/quote]
I agree, Heap has proven himself to be a team player. I don't think the same can be said for C-mac. IMO he has issues with getting on board the Harbs bandwagon, and that is not good for the TEAM. We need to keep T-Sizzle, Ray Ray and IMO Bart Scott. Rolle seems to be very injury prone, McGahee also seems to be injury prone - I think Rice would be a totally good replacement for him, at a much lower cost. Bottom line, let C-mac and Rolle go and sign Suggs, Ray Ray and Scott IMO. Also, keep Heap, I think he will be a good receiver for Joe down the road.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='#1 D' post='85077' date='Nov 5 2008, 03:08 PM']Todd Heap is definitely having an off-season. but the way our TE's have been every year in terms of depth, i think we'll keep him. I think C-mac and Samari would possibly go, but then we would have to go and draft a corner.[/quote]

He's only having an "off season" because he is asked to do soooooooooooo much blocking... by the way, he is doing an excellent job overall, save for those two stupid false starts.

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' post='85078' date='Nov 5 2008, 03:16 PM']I think fabian washington will be a decent replacement for one and if IVY leanrs to be patient and not try for the interception every play he would make a decent corner. I am not sure why heap is having such a tough year but we have always been defense first and if we let go of the three i mentioned i think we will still be able to draft some decent recievers and a tight end.[/quote]


So you want to start C. Ivy and F. Washington? Hmmmmmmmm! Ahhhhhh! No not a good idea. Help me out people. C. Ivy is a tough player and he plays with a lot of passion, that I will give him. He is a nickel/dime/situation corner at best. That is it. Period End of Story!!! C-Mac and Rolle I do not think either will be back for next season. F. Washington I like. How about F. Washington, D. Hall, F. Walker, D. Martin and a CB in the draft. Do not look to far into D. Hall situation in Oak or Atl both were bad as far as coaching situation for both teams, scandle that destroyed team for one and just a really bad contract along with a dysfunctional team for Oak.

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='itscbm5042' post='85080' date='Nov 5 2008, 03:18 PM']Its simple, you let CMac and Bart Scott go and that frees up 15 mil in cap space. You re-sign Ray to a deal with a heavy signing bonus and low salary to free up more cap space, then you give Suggs a nice long-term contract. Should end up with around 15 mil in space when its all said and done.[/quote]

Unfortunately, I think that sounds more reasonable. Heap is a team guy who always renegotiates his contract to help relieve cap money and is a great unselfish team first player. I see him staying. On the other hand, C-Mac is a great corner and has been with this franchise since day one. He is one of the guys from 2000 and one of the reasons why we went to and won the Super Bowl. Now, he is battling knee problems and is fighting to keep from being put on IR, rumor of him and Harbs butting heads aside. Scott is a great linebacker and a great asset to our team. He's a leader on the field and I can't remember injuries keeping him from starting a game.

Unfortunately, football in the NFL is a business where you have to balance a player and personnel budget and you also have to keep your team youthful and healthy. Switching players in and out of starting positions (at corner) due to chronic injuries is detrimental to the team as a whole. I think football players crave consistency and different people play different ways and its harder on the rest of the team to keep learning how other guys like to play that position. Fans see the team as more of a family and hate break it up. We can never foresee our guys who we drafted or signed as a free agent and molded into the men they are today wearing another team's color. I feel confident in the other talent we have and we have tons depth at LB. Nick Griesen, Antwan Barnes, Prescott Burgess, Tavares Gooden, Jameel McClain, Brendon Ayanbadejo. and Edgar Jones. We can put in a talented player with a smaller paycheck and can apply more money to the offensive side of the ball to balance out this team. We can allow a hard working player to step up and take on a bigger role (JJ taking over for AD).

There are tons and tons of great free agents out there that we can use to put in at corner and other positions. If we can make smart cuts, we will have money to resign people, sign drafted players, as well as go after big time free agents.

[WACKO4FLACC0]

[quote name='Sizzle' post='85076' date='Nov 5 2008, 03:07 PM']I think that's stupid C Mac is an excellent player, Todd heap is an excellent player he was the one that put the block on number 52 when ray rice made the cut and ran 60 yards. Samari rolle gets injured but when he gets in he is great so non of these players will go. Dont get me wrong both washington and walker are doing a good job but when we play G-men, Eagles, and Dallas we wont do smack. The only reason they are covering good is because all the teams we played dont have the combination of a good QB and WR[/quote]
C mac is not as good as we think, I have been questioning him since last year. Sure he makes big plays that are momentum changing but he also gives up the big play, it is had to suggest that he is a great

player but he is better then average. C Mac was burned during the indy game and i dont think it was injuries something tells me that they lying.

[neepo13]

Next year we'll have like 14 million in cap space. Cut Rolle and Mac, and that will open up around another 12 million. Thats 26 million in cap space. Thats enough to sign Suggs and Brown to long term deals, get something done with Ray, and pick up a CB or WR in FA.

[theFRANCHISE]

If Fabian Washington and Frank Walker can continue to play reasonably well, then it wouldn't so far-fetched to get rid of Chris McAlister and/or Samari Rolle as a business decision.

Yes, we all love these guys, especially C-Mac. But they can't play forever, and if we had to part ways with beloved players like Duane Starks and Sam Adams and Rod Woodson and Adalius Thomas and Jamal Lewis, then so be it. Business is business. Life goes on.

The only "untouchables" have been Ray Lewis, Jonathan Ogden, and Matt Stover. The first two for obvious reasons, and Stover because he's been the only constant this franchise has had since the move from Cleveland.

This team has to move forward and look towards the bright future that we've been seeing glimpses of this season. That doesn't mean there needs to be a massive roster purge, but this coaching staff and this personnel crew has to do what's necessary to field a winning team, even at the expense of beloved (injury-plagued) veterans that aren't at the top of their game.

We might not like it, but we've gotten over it in the past. We'll get over it again.

[neepo13]

I love Matt as much as the next Ravens fan but he's not untouchable in my book. If it gets to a point where his misses over 40 start costing us games, I'd be willing to go ahead and get younger. The same goes for Ray, I dont want him to go because I think he can still pay at a high level but if I can get over us letting Jamal walk, it will hurt but I think we can get over us letting Ray walk as well.