A few things taken from the Pats-Ravens game

[wayne]

1. We have to blitz to generate pressure on the QB. Pees need's to have more movement going on before the snap of the ball or have everyone stacked at the line just to make things harder for the QB to pre-read.

2. We need to keep a good balance of run to pass. I still say our strength lies in being a run first team . Like Ray Rice said at the end of the interview..... you can run with success against the Cover 2 schemes which seems to be our weakness and the reason why it's our weakness is b/c we get away from the run basically going against the grain. Also, on a lot of 3rd and shorts, don't always have Flacco in the Shotgun, put him under center where the threat of running the ball is more of a threat. Also, just run the ball right at the D and stop with the guards pulling on 3rd and short situations.

[rmw10]

This is probably a good spot to praise Upshaw. I thought he played incredibly well. He's not 100% there yet, but I'll take the improvement he's showed so far. Glad the game is finally coming to him.

[Ravenseconbeast]

1. Dont rely on Pierce to punch a hole on 4th & 1.

2. Dont waste red flags early.

3. Mix in the run game. We are a RUN team

4. Pass rush is overtly sloppy. All pass through the O-line, but never finish.

5. Cary Williams project is over.

6. Dean Pees/Cam Cameron just dont get it. Find replacement next year.

[1/28/01]

Upshaw looked great (all things considered!).

[RavensAllTheWay]

I've been defending Cary, but he got abused tonight, and against the Eagles. Jimmy looks like he should be number 2. But the main culprit for getting torched by Brady was the lack of pass rush. Brady had ALL NIGHT to throw the ball on most of those plays. We keep having to blitz to get pressure. We haven't seen McPhee dominate like he did last season. That must pick up.

[wayne]

It's sort of hard to attack Cary with Brady being in a comfort zone for majority of the game and having 5 secs to throw the ball with huge passing lanes. With that being said, Jimmy will very well take over the #2 position if need be ( I don't think he's ready either ).

[AZravensfan]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1348462629' post='1164641']
1. Dont rely on Pierce to punch a hole on 4th & 1.

2. Dont waste red flags early.

3. Mix in the run game. We are a RUN team

4. Pass rush is overtly sloppy. All pass through the O-line, but never finish.

5. Cary Williams project is over.

6. Dean Pees/Cam Cameron just dont get it. Find replacement next year.
[/quote]


1. I agree with this, although I think the bigger issue is going for the 4th and 1 in that situation.

2. What wasted red flag? The one from the Boldin first down? That was a great challenge, we needed that first down badly and the ref gave him a bad spot.

3.Agree with the first part but I do believe we are a Balanced team not just a run heavy team.

4.Agreed.

5. We definitely agree on this....100 percent!

6. No argument there although I am not all the way done with Pees, as you are but I dont think many around here will argue with you about cameron needs to go lol .

Was a heck of a game to watch and nice to see our O stepping up!

[a20havoc]

[quote name='AZravensfan' timestamp='1348463828' post='1164733']


Was a heck of a game to watch and nice to see our O stepping up!
[/quote]

I bet Brady is poopy pants about getting outplayed by Joe Flacco. He probably has no respect for Joe at all. But he should. That's the 2nd time it's happened in a year.

[AZravensfan]

[quote name='a20havoc' timestamp='1348464461' post='1164783']
I bet Brady is poopy pants about getting outplayed by Joe Flacco. He probably has no respect for Joe at all. But he should. That's the 2nd time it's happened in a year.
[/quote]

I don't know! I am sure he has at least some respect for Flacco just because he has outplayed him the last two times. Either way I am completely happy with our QB .

[Gordo52]

Flacco outplayed Brady once again.

Upshaw looked great!

We really, really miss Suggs. Can't get pressure without blitz.

New respect for Torrey.

Cary looked like Frank Walker.

Offense looked great after 1st quarter.

Refs need to go. A lot of horrible calls for both teams.

O-line looked solid, Oher had a really good game, Yanda not so much but he gets pass.

Tucker is clutch, even though it was scary close to missing.

Reed hit hard tonight! More so than I can ever remember.

[flynismo]

Add "the officiating was horrendous" to the list.

Let's be honest here, no matter who won this game, the loser would rightly be able to complain about this complete and utter bull**** that is going on. It played a big role in our one point loss last week to Philly, and I was stunned that the 2007 game did not repeat itself tonight.

[ravens__]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1348464923' post='1164807']
Add "the officiating was horrendous" to the list.

Let's be honest here, no matter who won this game, the loser would rightly be able to complain about this complete and utter bull**** that is going on.
[/quote]

Very true indeed.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='AZravensfan' timestamp='1348463828' post='1164733']



1. I agree with this, although I think the bigger issue is going for the 4th and 1 in that situation.

2. What wasted red flag? The one from the Boldin first down? That was a great challenge, we needed that first down badly and the ref gave him a bad spot.

3.Agree with the first part but I do believe we are a Balanced team not just a run heavy team.

4.Agreed.

5. We definitely agree on this....100 percent!

6. No argument there although I am not all the way done with Pees, as you are but I dont think many around here will argue with you about cameron needs to go lol .

Was a heck of a game to watch and nice to see our O stepping up!
[/quote]

Thx for the input!

[AZravensfan]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1348465730' post='1164835']
Thx for the input!
[/quote]

Thats the point of public forums! Your welcome.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1348464847' post='1164802']
Flacco outplayed Brady once again.

Upshaw looked great!

We really, really miss Suggs. Can't get pressure without blitz.

New respect for Torrey.

Cary looked like Frank Walker.

Offense looked great after 1st quarter.

Refs need to go. A lot of horrible calls for both teams.

O-line looked solid, Oher had a really good game, Yanda not so much but he gets pass.

Tucker is clutch, even though it was scary close to missing.

Reed hit hard tonight! More so than I can ever remember.
[/quote]

100% on the reed part.

It isnt tuckers fault man. It was the snapper.. He placed the ball vertically, hence the reason ball going right. He need to work on that

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1348462578' post='1164634']
This is probably a good spot to praise Upshaw. I thought he played incredibly well. He's not 100% there yet, but I'll take the improvement he's showed so far. Glad the game is finally coming to him.
[/quote]When he blew up that reverse I became a believer in Upshaw. He showed burst and great awareness.

[nextgen_RavensFan]

The one thing that is driving me crazy is how many 3rd down pass completions were short of the first down yardage needed. Why are we cutting our routes so short ?

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1348467635' post='1164880']
The one thing that is driving me crazy is how many 3rd down pass completions were short of the first down yardage needed. Why are we cutting our routes so short ?
[/quote]The secondary was sitting on our receivers. Joe was throwing to who was open and they were TIGHT widows.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1348468019' post='1164885']
The secondary was sitting on our receivers. Joe was throwing to who was open and they were TIGHT widows.
[/quote]

Yea, thats why running the ball is so important, because our offensive route concepts aren't creative like some other offenses. We rely on winning 1on1 matchups instead of attacking certain matchups, ie Welker vs our LBs.

So for the Ravens, running the ball forces team to focus on stopping Ray, and it creates movement in the secondary for Jones and Smith to exploit deep. Boldin and Pitta working the middle and Ray with space on dumpoffs

Having a strong running game shouldn't be viewed as a bad thing for Flacco. That balance is what will separate teams like the Ravens and Texans from teams who live and die by the pass.

[Cville-Raven]

Hightower and Chandler Jones are overrated just as I thought, Upshaw played pretty decent, and Torrey Smith down right destroyed them; I've been saying it since week 1 we need to get the ball in his hands as much as we do Rice's.

[poedacrow]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1348462318' post='1164615']
2. We need to keep a good balance of run to pass.... [b]you can run with success against the Cover 2 schemes[/b] which seems to be our weakness and the reason why it's our weakness is b/c we get away from the run basically going against the grain.
[/quote]

Exactly! This drove me nuts! I understand it's a "passing league" now but I really think we could have controlled the tempo of this game (and the Philly game also) better running the ball.

[Ed_Reed20]

McClain has received the starts but I was impressed with Ellerbe for a consecutive week.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1348485685' post='1165021']
McClain has received the starts but I was impressed with Ellerbe for a consecutive week.
[/quote]He got beat on the Edelman TD but that is to be expected. He played solid for sure.

[TheMadRaven]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1348464847' post='1164802']

Cary looked like Frank Walker.

[/quote]

1000% Agreed.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

My thoughts on the game.

1. Defense looked horrid but clamped down when they needed too.

2. Flacco made bad decisions but made up for it.

3. Cary williams is terrible.

4. The D continues to give up 3rd and longs.

5. We need help at pass rush. ( How about the guy we grabbed from Dallas?)

6. Cam still amazes (in a bad way).

7.Tooo many penalties, need to play more disciplined!

8.Torrey is awesome! Jacoby looking like a great pick up!

Thats all I can think of right now anyways.

Also suprised no one has started a thread of how were number one in division again lol.

[JohnnyBoy8102]

Like I stated last night, The D did a great job stopping the run and shutting down the Tight End position.

However, a pass rush needs to be generated to not allow QBs all day to throw like last night.

On the final few possessions the D wasn't playing Brady so vanilla and they were able to get stops. Why did it take so long in the game to start doing that?

[lowrider]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1348491645' post='1165112']
My thoughts on the game.

1. Defense looked horrid but clamped down when they needed too.

2. Flacco made bad decisions but made up for it.

3. Cary williams is terrible.

4. The D continues to give up 3rd and longs.

5. We need help at pass rush. ( How about the guy we grabbed from Dallas?)

6. Cam still amazes (in a bad way).

7.Tooo many penalties, need to play more disciplined!

8.Torrey is awesome! Jacoby looking like a great pick up!

Thats all I can think of right now anyways.

Also suprised no one has started a thread of how were number one in division again lol.
[/quote]
1. Agreed. The defense stepped up when we needed them to.

2. Flacco Got bailed out a couple times, and it could have easily gone from a great game to a good game that he made some killer mistakes. But they didn't happen so he had a great game.

3. I think the lack of pass rush exposed him more. And they threw to Williams side a lot. He made some good plays, and made some terrible plays.Not terrible but a lot of mistakes.

4. D is very frustrating to watch. But The patriots offense is very good. So I'm not ready to give up on us yet.

5. Pass rush.... is.... well... not there. I'm willing to try Kindle or something. Hopefully Upshaw continues to develop

6. Cam adapted. Have to give him credit. After the first quarter, I wanted to create a violent mob. But he stopped the no-huddle, and put leach back there and we moved the ball consistently. We may have a more power throwing offense; which tempts us to throw more, but the play action is where our big plays come from.

7. We let the other team and the refs get in our head. Unacceptable.

8. WR's are very explosive. Boldin doesn't get any separation. Pitta is becoming an elite TE.


My notes:
Pierce, the backup rb, is a good spell rb. Upshaw and Jimmy Smith made some big plays but we [b]need[/b] our young guys to stepup. Where is kruger, Kindle, Cody, McPhee? We need more consistency if we are going to succeed

[JEEPercreepermd]

One thing that I don't understand is the cam hate this week. In general, I can understand. I think that he actually called a good game yesterday. He got back to running the ball and the offense had a MONSTER game. Remember, this was supposedly a "revamped" Pat's defense that we were playing. Wilfork was stout as usual, but if I were to grade the rest of their D they'd all get F's.

[GrimCoconut]

1. Upshaw looks like the future LOLB. Sets the edge well and can rush the passer but needs help up front.
2. We need another complete DE like Ngata, one who can rush the passer and command double teams.
3. Cary Williams may need a new employer.
4. Tucker is the real deal.
5. Michael Oher is the most under-appreciated player on the offense. Quick to be blamed but has played lights out the whole season and pre-season. He is my most impressive player.
6. Ellerbe has regained his 2010 form. He can pass rush, good instincts, and he lays the wood. I love the way he stands runners up.
7. Flacco is who I thought he was. He needs some work but he is a Hell of a QB.
8. Our OL as a whole looks very dominant. The tackles are a strong spot. The LG is a work in progress and needs work but he looks to have a future here. Birk looks older but still sharp.
9. Jimmy Smith is physical and fits our defense well. I love the way he plays. I didn't see him give up too many receptions.
10. Reed looks great! So does Webb.
11. People are stupid. Ray Lewis looks like a beast.

[3-4ravdef509]

1. Joe is still a hot and cold quarterback. When he is hot. He's unstoppable. But when he's cold, look out. I expect by year's end we will see the offense and him grow mire consistent.

2. Joe is clutch.

3. Torrey is a beast, we drafted a complete steal. I.was impressed by him before, now I'm in awe.

4. Rice deserved his contract. That said. We should be a pass to set up run team, unless the defense plays opposite. Joe did a good job reading the cover 2 and checking in and out of plays.

5. Jones is the best FA Pick up of the year, we finally have a legit receiving core.

6. Pees is a poor man's Greg Mattison.

We can't just line up.and play against Brady. You have to confuse him at the line and you can't just send corner blitzes over and over to pressure him.

7. I miss Suggs. Upshaw looks good though.

8. Webb is a beast. Cary is on thin ice, though the pass rush was terrible.

9. Pitta >Dickson = yes.

10. O line getting better, good sign.