Cary Williams

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1348575680' post='1166761']
what Ben said below, I bet that snap isn't for another three seconds. He always starts up, then drops way back to at least 5 yards sometimes 10 and not even in the picture at the time of the snap. Also read the posts above, they had to ask to press in the 4th qtr and where told yes because we need a stop.

So let me get this straight. You need a stop so let your corners press, so that's proof he felt we have a better chance of a stop when they press. So what's the gameplay for the other 45 minutes, let them score by playing off?
[/quote]I think they adopted a bend but not break style of defense. Don't let them score on a big play and make them settle for field goals as the zones get tighter in the red zone and the D tightens up. It was ugly watching our defense get nickle and dimed on those passes but the strategy essentially worked. They were able to move the ball in between the 20's but were forced to settle for field goals as they got inside the red zone.

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1348575680' post='1166761']
what Ben said below, I bet that snap isn't for another three seconds. He always starts up, then drops way back to at least 5 yards sometimes 10 and not even in the picture at the time of the snap. Also read the posts above, they had to ask to press in the 4th qtr and where told yes because we need a stop.

So let me get this straight. You need a stop so let your corners press, so that's proof he felt we have a better chance of a stop when they press. So what's the gameplay for the other 45 minutes, let them score by playing off?
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[quote name='BenMir' timestamp='1348573400' post='1166752']

Watch carefully. He starts as if he's in press, but a second before the snap be backs off
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I did a little more research after getting you guys' responses and your right. After watching Cary and Jimmy closer they both were shadowing but not pressing. The only difference was that Jimmy was holding most of the night lol.

But something seemed to have clicked at the end of the game. Pees really dialed it up, it was blitz galore.

[ravensfan160]

Did anyone watch 1winningdrive and notice Cary hanging his head and complaining about the receiver pushing off every play? The receiver probably is but his attitute on and off the field needs to get better.

On a side note, during 1Winningdrive Dean Peas told his corners late in the game to come up and challenge the receivers since we needed to a stop to get the ball back. Here's an idea...how about playing bump and run coverage all game.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1348586000' post='1166881']
Did anyone watch 1winningdrive and notice Cary hanging his head and complaining about the receiver pushing off every play? The receiver probably is but his attitute on and off the field needs to get better.

On a side note, during 1Winningdrive Dean Peas told his corners late in the game to come up and challenge the receivers since we needed to a stop to get the ball back. Here's an idea...how about playing bump and run coverage all game.
[/quote]

Actually Jimmy Smith says to his position coach that he's coming up and pressing receivers now ( it was late in the 4th quarter) and his position coach gives him the green light. I liked hearing Jimmy say that, he knows what he's best at and its press man, why we drafted him, and with the game on the line he got in Lloyd's grill and stuck on him.

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1348547760' post='1166573']
Frank Walker ring a bell.
[/quote]

Ive blocked him out of my selective memory

[Token]

The official PFF stats are in:

[quote][b]Williams over Smith?[/b]
[color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, sans-serif][size=3]In a beatdown nobody could miss [/size][/font][/color][b]Cary Williams[/b][color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, sans-serif][size=3] ([/size][/font][/color][color=#FF0000][font=verdana, geneva, sans-serif][size=3][b]-4.6[/b][/size][/font][/color][font="verdana, geneva, sans-serif"][color="#000000"][size=3]) was targeted consistently by a relentless Patriots passing attack. The right cornerback gave up 8-of-12 targets for 98 yards and was [/size][size=3]victimized[/size][size=3] by Lloyd in particular with the veterans savvy route running too much to handle.[/size][/color][/font][b]Jimmy Smith[/b][color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, sans-serif][size=3] meanwhile played much better in 67 snaps on the outside. He gave up four catches on six targets, but for just 31 yards, and has to be getting consideration for more playing time if Williams’ struggles continue.[/size][/font][/color][/quote]

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1348586000' post='1166881']
Did anyone watch 1winningdrive and notice Cary hanging his head and complaining about the receiver pushing off every play? The receiver probably is but his attitute on and off the field needs to get better.

On a side note, during 1Winningdrive Dean Peas told his corners late in the game to come up and challenge the receivers since we needed to a stop to get the ball back. Here's an idea...how about playing bump and run coverage all game.
[/quote]my point exactly, don't you need a stop all the time? We have two corners on the outside perfectly built for it, and that have shown they are good at it. It helps the pass rush by slowing recievers down, giving the rush and extra second or two to get there

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Token' timestamp='1348611475' post='1167366']
The official PFF stats are in:
[/quote]seen that too. Yanda and ngata graded out brilliantly. Hightower graded out poor, and then that reminded me, I forgot he even played for the,l I don't think I seen him on a play once. So glad we didn't draft him at the time, and that's the first time I've seen him play n the Nfl, and I forgot he was even on the field until that article, was actually going to start a thread on it in the other section.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Token' timestamp='1348611475' post='1167366']
The official PFF stats are in:
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Interesting. Well, I think it's obvious that Smith deserves to be the #2 due to his play. That still leaves Cary as the probable #3 and he will still be on the field because of that since a lot of teams are doing the 3 WR set now.

I have been wondering why we haven't used Graham. I thought he was supposed to be some zone corner. Why are we using Williams in zone when from what I think I remember reading about Graham gave me this perception he is a good zone CB. Am I just going crazy? Lol. It's possible. It won't be the first time I was wrong.

Anyone know if Graham is definitively a good zone CB?

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1348611705' post='1167370']
seen that too. Yanda and ngata graded out brilliantly. Hightower graded out poor, and then that reminded me, I forgot he even played for the,l I don't think I seen him on a play once. So glad we didn't draft him at the time, and that's the first time I've seen him play n the Nfl, and I forgot he was even on the field until that article, was actually going to start a thread on it in the other section.
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I am so glad we didn't take Hightower. I was never a big fan of his and after having watched his play I feel like we got the better of the two Alabama players, even though Upshaw has been slow to start.

[hawkprey]

I'm not sure when Cary had that talk with Pees but in the 4th quarter we gave up 37 yards. I'll bet the Pats game plan was to push off Cary and assume it just wouldn't get called (though it did once) and our team under Harbaugh always goes into the game with a plan to play flag-free. Once we started doing what the Pats were getting away with the game changed.

[Blex64]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1348567837' post='1166730']
I've been reading a lot of us saying that Dean Pees has been having Cary play 5-10 yards off his man... I just re watched that game and from what I can tell it's been the direct opposite. Williams has started most of the plays right in the receivers faces. He just got murdered by double moves. [img]http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a252/calvinsmoke/other/CaryWilliams.png[/img]
[/quote]

Cary was in man almost all night, but almost never pressed. He doesn't play 5-10 yards off the ball, more like 2-3. He also plays the receiver instead of the ball. Those 2 technique issues have been his problems stretching back into last year. He had the exact same issues. I'm not quite sure if they're fixable, I guess we'll see. Regardless, I think Jimmy has earned the right to start.

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1348612687' post='1167390']
I'm not sure when Cary had that talk with Pees but in the 4th quarter we gave up 37 yards. I'll bet the Pats game plan was to push off Cary and assume it just wouldn't get called (though it did once) and our team under Harbaugh always goes into the game with a plan to play flag-free. Once we started doing what the Pats were getting away with the game changed.
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Sorry, this is just flat out wrong. The flags were completely inconsistent all game long. Straight-up fights were allowed, while plenty of incidental contact got called. The Pats weren't magically getting away with things we weren't, it was an awful night flag wise the entire game.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1348611216' post='1167360']
Ive blocked him out of my selective memory
[/quote]Lmao

[RavensWin09]

carry what we did in the last 2 stops into thursdays game.

[faithfulravenfan#1]

I get where you are coming from Purock......thanks............Purple Nurple......ignorance is not having an adult thought of your own but judging another's thought...........so I am going to agree to disagree with you please try your best not to comment on my post until you grow up.............it just my opinion you do not have to like it so with that said .........I still think Cary is the weakest link!

[SecretAgentMan]

Tebow! Tebow! Tebow.... Oh right.
Asa! Asa! Asa!

[The Raven]

[quote name='faithfulravenfan#1' timestamp='1348720343' post='1168755']
I get where you are coming from Purock......thanks............Purple Nurple......[b]ignorance is not having an adult thought of your own but judging another's thought...........[/b]so I am going to agree to disagree with you please try your best not to comment on my post until you grow up.............it just my opinion you do not have to like it so with that said .........I still think Cary is the weakest link!
[/quote]

Since when was that true? Lol

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='faithfulravenfan#1' timestamp='1348720343' post='1168755']
I get where you are coming from Purock......thanks............Purple Nurple......ignorance is not having an adult thought of your own but judging another's thought...........so I am going to agree to disagree with you please try your best not to comment on my post until you grow up.............it just my opinion you do not have to like it so with that said .........I still think Cary is the weakest link!
[/quote]

Ok. I've grown up.

Wait. I have no clue what you're referring to.

[Brandon72]

Cary Williams needs to learn to play better Press Coverage

[1/28/01]

[quote name='faithfulravenfan#1' timestamp='1348720343' post='1168755']
I get where you are coming from Purock......thanks............Purple Nurple......ignorance is not having an adult thought of your own but judging another's thought...........so I am going to agree to disagree with you please try your best not to comment on my post until you grow up.............it just my opinion you do not have to like it so with that said .........I still think Cary is the weakest link!
[/quote]

What......are....you.....talking.......about......?

[Tiz]

Int Cary trusted what he saw and reacted played level headed today too.
Funny enough Cleveland seemed to throw at Ladarius more.

[K-Dog]

Cary got the pick six, but I am still not a fan.

[Twistidfunk]

dude only won the game. no big deal or anything.

I am shocked but very happy for him. He needed a play like that

[Corvus]

Gotta give Cary some major props after ragging on him as most of us were earlier in the week, without him this game goes into overtime at best. Way to bounce back man, he had a couple of good pass breakups as well. Now we just need to see him continue to try to make plays apart from just being there to make the tackle.

[ghost1986]

Also he was the one who got the tip on what should have been the last play of the game no thanks to Krueger. I'm still not sold on him. He needs to press more. But yeah he did basically save the game for us. And Greg Little's butterfingers.

[FerrariFan87]

Big play and game for Cary... let's see him back it up against KC.

[Grapple Raven]

Whatever Sanders told the DB's in that little "mini-camp", they must have listened, lol.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Mr. Irrelevant' timestamp='1348721786' post='1168769']
Tebow! Tebow! Tebow.... Oh right.
Asa! Asa! Asa!
[/quote]

haha, get outta here with that, Skip

[flynismo]

If it weren't for the pick six, this would have been another terrible game. Dude needs to grab some pine and let's see what Jimmy is all about.

[FormulaOne]

I think there are always going to be plays, that if executed correctly, are extremely difficult to defend. I have been a Cary Williams fan since he showed signs of distinction in the preseason of 2010? He didn't play much or at all in the regular season that year, but he did have a great punt return that sticks out during the preseason.

During the Patriots game, a theme developed where Brady was hooking up with Brandon Lloyd. The majority of the connections came off a back-shoulder toss, mid fly-route. I'm not an NFL cornerback, but corner/safety is the only position I played when I did. Cary was playing the deep route, as he had no safety coverage over the top during most of those connections. He played his position well, took the inside away, and was tracking Brandon's eye's/hands/hips.

The problem is - the Patriots exploited Cary's fundamentals (and yes we can add that we didn't call plays that included a bump-and-run scheme, but we did run them during the game - not at the right time maybe?). With fundamentals in mind, they went out and perfected that route to where: Brandon would use his quickness and agility to run a sharp initial route, sell Cary deep while Brady threw the ball, and break/look right at the moment they practiced. It was a very well-done play. We do the same, but in a less-precise fashion.