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How can we fix our D?!

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Stop running prevent and playing conservative zones! More blitzes.

Our interior line play is weak right now. This is the worst the Ravens run D has started their first 2 games of the season.

We need more blitzes to help our pass rush right now. Ray might be more valuable that way right now then depending on him to cover the middle zone.

We need to let our DBs bump and run most of the time.


[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1347998997' post='1158008']
Ngata is a top 2 interior lineman in the game and Suggs was actually the best defender last year. If Suggs is healthy those two are our best players on that side of the ball.
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Ngata and Cody should be eating up offensive lines. They seem to be underperforming thus far. Hopefully they dominate the Pats OL
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[quote name='Corvus' timestamp='1347990286' post='1157859']
Well, if Sunday was any indication, we should just do what the Eagles did and commit 30+ illegal contact penalties since the refs had zero clue about that rule apparently. Then none of Brady's receivers will be able to do anything like our guys were victimized.

In all seriousness, I am partial to man coverage with safety help over the top as a basic concept as the Eagles ran some of on Sunday. I think Webb is good enough to do that and Jimmy will get better at it as he gets more experience and if he learns to stop playing 5+ yards off of every receiver. When we drop guys into zones, we need to be mixing up blitzes with the other guys that aren't dropping, make it less "vanilla." [b]I saw the Falcons doing some "organized chaos" type stuff last night [/b]and it makes me miss those days with our defense...
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Oh man, I know. I was watching that last night and looked at my wife and said, "that used to be Baltimore football."
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We can fix our D by cloning Terrell Suggs and bringing him up to age 25 and inserting him into the starting lineup against NE.
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let webb be the one to play off coverage because of his speed, let jimmy play press, and cary a few yards off the line of scrimmage. Apparently, pees doesn't know a scheme doesn't work right if his players can't take advantage of their abilities.
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I am listening to 105.7 The Fan and I heard Pollard say that "this was a valuable lesson for us to not underestimate our opponent". Now, I am not making any excuses here, but I did suspect this happened. I don't think that Pollard was saying that directly or not, but my interpretation of that is that the Ravens (or some of them) took the match for granted.

I'll continue listening because I want to hear what he and Ihedibgo say.
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[quote name='nextgen_RavensFan' timestamp='1347994465' post='1157932']
I think a lot of the coverage issues will be a non issue once we start getting pressure on the quarterback. At times sunday Vick had all the time he could ever ask for. So of course our coverage looked awful, just the fact that it took him so long to find a receiver says they were covered and needed more time to get open. With pressure i think the "D" will look a lot better.
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What if that doesn't happen? Last year the Steelers lost Harrison and had a beat up Woodley. They couldn't get decent pressure most of the season and were near the bottom of the league in sacks. There are no guarantees that they will suddenly get to the QB until a very healthy and in football shape Suggs returns.
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Have Cary grab the receiver's jerseys to disrupt their routes and keep from getting beat. Other team(s) are exploiting the substitute zebra's incompetence, might as well be us too.
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1347993533' post='1157916']
and those 2 guys are your best players on that side of the ball
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Disagree. Pollard and Webb playing just as good as Reed if not better. Ray, on the other hand, is still our best MLB.
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How can we fix our D?
Fire Pees and hope Sizzle gets back before December.
Edit: Oh and bench Cary in favor of Cory Graham. Cary can't cover a guy for his life.
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[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1348001071' post='1158054']
We can fix our D by cloning Terrell Suggs and bringing him up to age 25 and inserting him into the starting lineup against NE.
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[font=times new roman,times,serif][i]If you're going to add T2, who is replacing on the roster? T1?[/i][/font]

[font=times new roman,times,serif][i]~ Malkavian Raven[/i][/font]
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our defense is elite,this is insane,these threads poping up after 1 loss,give me a break,the Defense keept us in the game.
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I think our issue is we went with the formula that if we can contain McCoy...which we did for the most part...and get some hits on Vick, eventually Vick will start to make mistakes. Unfortunately while Vick did make some mistakes, he also played a lot tougher than anyone though. The Ravens were very successfull on getting the hits on Vick but he just kept getting back up and making plays.
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The defense is broke, eh?

This thread definitely didn't come up after the Titans loss last year..... :surrender:

[img]http://the-fortress-of-solitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/chickenlittle.jpg[/img]


This is the Ravens Defense, people. Calm down.
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[quote name='tctony' timestamp='1347999029' post='1158009']
Stop running prevent and playing conservative zones! More blitzes.

Our interior line play is weak right now. This is the worst the Ravens run D has started their first 2 games of the season.

We need more blitzes to help our pass rush right now. Ray might be more valuable that way right now then depending on him to cover the middle zone.

We need to let our DBs bump and run most of the time.




Ngata and Cody should be eating up offensive lines. They seem to be underperforming thus far. Hopefully they dominate the Pats OL
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What games are you watching?? Ngata is playing great, and Cody is on the bench so he cant underperform if he's hardly on the field
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I wish some of us would let the defense get to know itself a little better before saying it needs fixing. Our DPOY being out notwithstanding, we have a bunch of new pieces, a new coordinator and we're gonna be facing mostly great offenses ALL YEAR. So give it a rest, huh?
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[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1348072855' post='1158721']
I wish some of us would let the defense get to know itself a little better before saying it needs fixing. Our DPOY being out notwithstanding, we have a bunch of new pieces, a new coordinator and we're gonna be facing mostly great offenses ALL YEAR. So give it a rest, huh?
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When the DC is calling 3 man rushes, which has never worked for this team, and playing off it's perfectly acceptable to be upset about it. If we were schematically correct and not executing, it would be a different story. On Sunday we were schematically incorrect and not executing. We know that Pees is too passive to be the Ravens coordinator based on his past experience as a DC.
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[quote name='Malkavian Raven' timestamp='1348017630' post='1158333']
[font=times new roman,times,serif][i]If you're going to add T2, who is replacing on the roster? T1?[/i][/font]

[font=times new roman,times,serif][i]~ Malkavian Raven[/i][/font]
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I'll put DeAngelo Tyson on the practice squad or cut him to make room for our best pass-rusher since Boulware.
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[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1347982571' post='1157713']
Execute plays. Stop playing so much zone. Pressure the QB without blitzing...

boy I miss Suggs. :( WHY!!!!
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no need to read more... You covered most of it. Only think I'd add would be press coverage (even though Jimmy & Cary don't like/want to), that would screw up the quick routes & mess with timing of longer routes giving us a bit more time to get to the wb. Brady is notorious for the dink funk passes so if our cb's are 5 yds off the line it will be a long ugly game.
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[quote name='harfordravenfan' timestamp='1348093238' post='1158975']
no need to read more... You covered most of it. Only think I'd add would be press coverage (even though Jimmy & Cary don't like/want to), that would screw up the quick routes & mess with timing of longer routes giving us a bit more time to get to the wb. Brady is notorious for the dink funk passes so if our cb's are 5 yds off the line it will be a long ugly game.
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JSmith is actually an adept press man corner. Thats all he played at Colorado. He struggles in off zone coverages, which is what we've been doing mostly.
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1348073952' post='1158733']
When the DC is calling 3 man rushes, [b]which has never worked for this team,[/b] and playing off it's perfectly acceptable to be upset about it. If we were schematically correct and not executing, it would be a different story. On Sunday we were schematically incorrect and not executing. We know that Pees is too passive to be the Ravens coordinator based on his past experience as a DC.
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Look, once again: it's the first time Pees has had full control of the defense and we have a lot of new pieces. How is he gonna know how competent we are at doing different looks if he doesn't try them because of past performances with different players?! The answer is he's not. I'm sorry and this isn't directed *just* at you but I'd be inclined to think that he knows what's 'schematically correct' more than anyone else on this board, and the only other board I frequent there might be one guy who could break it down and actually know what he's talking about. It's fine to be upset about performance and want to see more of this and less of that depending on the situation, but pretending to know how to plan and execute a defense better than people who've been doing it for a decade or more is just..well it's not good, let's put it that way.

If you want to go by the opinion that we weren't executing, that's fine with me and has nothing to do with Pees at that point and has everything to do with the guys on the field. His past experience as a DC has had him on some seriously under-manned defenses and he made a darn good showing of it anyway, so I'm not sure where you were going with that.
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1347990591' post='1157864']
Get Healthy, Get Creative, hope our young guys progress faster, and cross our fingers.
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This.

Not much else to say lol
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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1348073952' post='1158733']
When the DC is calling 3 man rushes, which has never worked for this team, and playing off it's perfectly acceptable to be upset about it. If we were schematically correct and not executing, it would be a different story. On Sunday we were schematically incorrect and not executing. We know that Pees is too passive to be the Ravens coordinator based on his past experience as a DC.
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I don't know what game y'all were watching but I definitely didn't see many 3 man rushes. I saw 4 man rushes just about all the time.
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No more 3 man rush with zone behind it!!! Even mediocre QB's will make plays against that.

That being said, the defense did superb against Cincy. They played pretty well in the first half against Philly, only giving up 7. It was the second half of that game when the calls were outrageously conservative. Just giving up the middle of the field play after play.

After one game, to say that Pees needs to go is a little outrageous. EVERY DC calls a bad game. Remember all the times that Peyton Manning absolutely GASHED Rex Ryan's defense? Heck, even the 2000 defense was gashed a few times that year.

Do I think that this defense is going to be #1 in the league? Probably not, but I still think that once these young guys get some wind in the sails that the defense will be stout once again.

Again, no need for panic. It isn't ALL that bad! Actually, the defense did everything in it's power to cause turnovers against the Eagles, and they got them. The offense just couldn't put it away!

Had the offense been able to put a TD on the board off of one of those, and the Ravens win...then nobody would be worried.

In today's NFL your BEST defense truly is a good offense.
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1347993054' post='1157908']
I think the D is going to struggle at times all year. [u][b]The D is showing its age[/b][/u] but will still be a decent defense just not a top 5 any more.
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really? have you stop to find out (for yourself) how "old" everyone on our defense is? or, are you just repeating what you see and hear being said about our defense on sportscenter, espn, espn first take and nfl network etc? just wondering!

~Mili
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My big question is whats broken? We have given up a lot of yards sure, against some very good offenses. Who really cares about yards, or judges a defense based on that anymore? We are getting turn-overs, three and outs, and are stingy in the red-zone. If you examine the Eagles game that first TD was penalty aided. Then we put them on a short field pretty much immediately after.

I still see an elite defense, fielded by Hall of Famers. If anyone sees anything different then maybe they need their eyes checked!
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One thing I'll point out is that Cary Williams is struggling, albeit he's been matched up against some tough receivers so far. When one player on the defense struggles, the other players try to compensate, therefore opening all types of other issues.

In my opinion, Cary is the wildcard to this defense. If he plays up to what he's capable of, this is still the best defense in the league. If he struggles like he has so far, we're still a good defense, but not the typical defense Ravens fans expect.
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