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What exactly is John Harbaugh good at?

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You know what I appreciate most about him? The discipline that he has instlled into this team. EVERYONE is accountable (except for Cam apparently)
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Coaching. Play calling or the on the field stuff is not part of his talent, but he knows how to coach up players. Think about the growth he gets out of our players and how good they become in general. That's his talent and there is nothing wrong with that.

The problem with play calling is, that it is annoying. Cam isn't flat out bad all the time. Compare the Cinci game to the Philly game and they look like day and night. I mean, we were really creative in our play calling in our first game. We were constantly changing up plays and routs mixed the run and the pass well together. What happened? It looked like we picked off right there at the very beginning of the Eagles game. We were winning. Yet, somehow even though we were leading by 10 points playing the way we played, we changed everything. Why? We didn't need to adjust. The Eagles had to.
We slowed down our play calling and refused to run, playing into their hand and we never got back to the way we played before. Why? There is no good reason.

I am sorry, but if Harbs would've come out and said "I blew it so Andy Reid would keep his job" I would believe him. I wouldn't even be mad, because I would knew that game #1 was not some lucky accident.
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John Harbaugh is a top 5-10 NFL coach, and is without a doubt a HUGE reason why the Baltimore Ravens have been so good in his time at the helm. I love him as a coach and his passion sunday to sunday he has one of the best winning % in the league, but to be 100% honest he did not have much control over over the play calling on arguably both sides of the ball this sunday. He let our defense get torched in the 2nd half because Pees was stubborn and stuck to cover 3 and 4 schemes while Vick continued to burn us.Our front 3 or 4 was not getting any pressure, i was surprised, but it wasn't there. To not change that to even a minimal point, maybe send 6 or 7 and then drop 7 in coverage one the next play etc. Confusing, not raven football. But this is the NFL, and the eagles are good. I also think we should have used Rice more in the game but agree with Harbaugh that if Philly wanted to drop 8 or 9 guys in the box, as they were doing, smarter call is to pass, i just don't know why we showed our hand and went to shotgun twice on, 3rd and 4th and two....Really? way to be obvious..just not good play calling, which Harbaugh should have control over.
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[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1347914017' post='1156723']


PEOPLE act like the FO can do no wrong. Where are Carr, Cundiff, Evans, Mark Clayton, Foxworth etc. Let's not forget we also tried to resign Cary at years 15 mil. Just cause we dont have the job doesn't mean we don't know what we are talking about sometimes. You say somethin g they don't like and try to attack you. I NEVER AGREE WITH GIVING CUNDIFF THAT CONTRACT. I'm also happy Cary declined to resign cause I you t he finishes as the starter this year. I get when people post outrageous stuff but sometimes they over react to people asking a real question. Some people can get scrutinized more than others as well even if one side is more accomplished.
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I agree with you. I just hate sometimes how ppl get to sensitive either way whether your pro or con or somewhere in the middle. Lets be honest Harbaugh has been out coached before. Their is absolutely no excuse for leaving two time outs on the field with the game that close.

If your going to pay RR then you got to give him the ball. I said before the season if your going to open the off up then you should have given that money to a new tackle or receiver for Joe. Why pay him top back money and only play him half the game?

My post was more agreeing with you cause I hate how you have to be so pro everything all the time.
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Do people not understand that Philly was constantly dropping 8 even 9 guys in the box and sending all out blitz? Rice didn't get as many touches as he should have, but i think people forget that rice actually had 2 more carries in the 2nd half than the first, his YPC was terrible. Nine carries for 21 yards in the 2nd, and 7 carries for 78 yards in the first half. a 2.3 yard per carry average isn't very good. I hate the last two plays of the game, but besides that, offensive play calling wasn't terrible it was the defensive play calling.
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Harbs is good with his speeches that include the SHIELD AND KATANA SWORD, LOL

I gotta keep it real, but that was pretty cheesy.
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[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1348098716' post='1159057']
And my question is, what posting are you good at?
[/quote]Stimulating discussion apparently, as this thread is 6 pages and counting.
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He's not your traditional Xs and Os guy like Bellicheck; but there are many different types of coaches in the game.

You get managerial types like Andy Reid, motivators like Dungy, technical guys like Kubiak etc.

It's about the right fit in terms of the whole team and organisation.
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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1347914070' post='1156725']
I thought I gave plenty of examples earlier. But I will try again.



He does the same stuff that all the other non-playing head coaches (which is pretty much most of the coaches in the NFL) do during games. He gives input on play selections, manages the clock, makes the tough calls, punt/FG/Go for it decisions, arguing with the refs. Its nothing exciting, but it keeps these coaches busy. I know most fans want coaches (and John) to be doing more in-game, but this is the norm.

A head coach really makes his pay during the week. Approving, reviewing and tweaking game plans. People underestimate the process and element of a game plan. Obviously John is getting it done because we win more games than not. But John also excels in getting the players focused and motivated (which is one of the prime reasons why the FO and Owner hired him). He has great respect from the players of this team and he keeps them as a team (a lot of head coach lose their players and as a result lose games).

[b]To me John is best at holding the whole 'winning' formula together rather than in-game decision making. He manages the players and coaches throughout the year. Everything goes through him. The game plans, the packages, the starters, personnel inputs etc. [/b]And the fact that we are winning games is evidence as to the success John is having as a head coach.
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....... and you know this how?
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[quote name='SizzleSuggs55' timestamp='1347995113' post='1157944']
[b]Do people not understand that Philly was constantly dropping 8 even 9 guys in the box and sending all out blitz?[/b] Rice didn't get as many touches as he should have, but i think people forget that rice actually had 2 more carries in the 2nd half than the first, his YPC was terrible. Nine carries for 21 yards in the 2nd, and 7 carries for 78 yards in the first half. a 2.3 yard per carry average isn't very good. I hate the last two plays of the game, but besides that, offensive play calling wasn't terrible it was the defensive play calling.
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What game did you watch b/c they wasn't constantly doing that. They were constantly sending their front 4 and dropping 7 back which seems to be our weakness.
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[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1348102938' post='1159096']
What game did you watch b/c they wasn't constantly doing that. They were constantly sending their front 4 and dropping 7 back which seems to be our weakness.
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Yeah they basically sent their 4 rushers and had the linebackers drop back and cover Pitta, which was the only guy with any breathing room the entire second half. And even still, he was double/triple teamed a lot. Smart by Philly once they learned they could shut our wideouts down by grabbing them.
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He is good at getting us to the playoffs the past four consecutive seasons, and half of the time getting us to the AFC Title game. I'm also sure he is good at this coaching thing, I mean 45-21 record in the regular season which equals to a .682 winning percentage. Now while I will say he has to improve his playoff record from 5-4 but considering we have won 5 of the 9 playoff games we have been in over the past four years, I say he is definitely got this Head Coaching thing down.
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This team had nooooo discipline before Harbs. We even still struggled after he got here, but after all those penalties in 09, he really got everybody under control.
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[quote name='go4ravens' timestamp='1348153912' post='1159352']
This team had nooooo discipline before Harbs. We even still struggled after he got here, but after all those penalties in 09, he really got everybody under control.
[/quote]2009 was the year of defensive pass interference. It was ugly there for a bit with the likes of Frank Walker in the secondary.
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[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1348104648' post='1159115']
Yeah they basically sent their 4 rushers and had the linebackers drop back and cover Pitta, which was the only guy with any breathing room the entire second half. And even still, he was double/triple teamed a lot. Smart by Philly once they learned they could shut our wideouts down by grabbing them.
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They were also double covering Boldin every time he went in the slot. Overall the eagles defense were in a cover two type scheme which is some thing Joe Flacco seems to have trouble with at times(some could say thats cams fault)
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[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1347915466' post='1156760']
You're right. Lets fire Harbaugh. Trade all our players for draft picks and see if we get lucky during the 2013 draft. -_-
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Didn't say that. You can be facetious as you like, but the fact still remains -- one game can be costly. "foresight."
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[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1348102938' post='1159096']
What game did you watch b/c they wasn't constantly doing that. They were constantly sending their front 4 and dropping 7 back which seems to be our weakness.
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I'd like to know how you send an all out blitz when you're dropping everyone too lol.
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You don't know what he says behind closed doors. You shouldn't blast your employees in the open. Maybe he reemed him after the game. Who knows. I won't get really worried until this week if the Ravens lose to the Pats.
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Harbaugh seems to be pretty good at winning games much like Andy Reid. He just needs to take that next step and become good at winning Championships, or else he'll really be just like Andy Reid.
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He has taken the team to the playoffs every year he has been here. And the team has shown improvement is various ways, like the penalties dropping and now he wants to work on tackling. Admittedly I wish he would step up and correct his OC/DC in game occasionally.
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The fact that Cam is standing by his playcalling shows that Harbs has yet to hold him accountable.
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I wonder does everyone realize this is Harbaugh's first HC gig? I think he is learning a lot of things as he goes along. He admitted last season that he was not hands on with the offense. Of course, he was supposed to change that and I'm hoping he has and we'll go back to the no huddle even in road games. This was not a very disciplined team under Billick at the end and Harbaugh has fixed that. I think he's a very good HC that will actually get better. I just think he needs to can the Cam love. Not for us the fans, he can say whatever to us, but it needs to show that he's been kicking Cam's butt after the abysmal play calling and so far, it doesn't.
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Contrary to the belief of many Ravens fans who believe John Harbaugh has led his team to the playoffs four years in a row, I respectfully disagree. I believe the Ravens players have led John Harbaugh to the playoffs. There is a stark contrast between the way he coaches and the way his brother Jim coaches. That was evident from viewing the Niners vs. Lions game last week after our game. I'm not sure what his greatest strengths are but I've witnessed firsthand some of his glaring weaknesses. Notwithstanding the above, I was heartened to see him finally taking on the officials last Sunday in Philly. It was the first time I've seen him express that much passion or emotion. However, it is obvious to the most casual observer that he does not have the football sense of his brother Jim. It seems to me that if he was such a good position coach our Special Teams would be the best in the league but I'm not sure they are any better than anyone else's STs.
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[quote name='frozen joe flacco fan' timestamp='1348274874' post='1160378']
Contrary to the belief of many Ravens fans who believe John Harbaugh has led his team to the playoffs four years in a row, I respectfully disagree. I believe the Ravens players have led John Harbaugh to the playoffs. There is a stark contrast between the way he coaches and the way his brother Jim coaches. That was evident from viewing the Niners vs. Lions game last week after our game. I'm not sure what his greatest strengths are but I've witnessed firsthand some of his glaring weaknesses. Notwithstanding the above, I was heartened to see him finally taking on the officials last Sunday in Philly. It was the first time I've seen him express that much passion or emotion. However, it is obvious to the most casual observer that he does not have the football sense of his brother Jim. It seems to me that if he was such a good position coach our Special Teams would be the best in the league but I'm not sure they are any better than anyone else's STs.
[/quote]I agree with everything written here, well said. It's obvious John has little feel for the game at times. Look at the way he wastes timeouts.
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I love the way Harbs has made this team a family, but the black jersey drama, the lack of timeout use, and the whole Cam situation has given him a more bitter relationship with the fans.
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1347902729' post='1156452']
Win more games than any other coach in the last 4 years! Continually put his team in the position to win a SB!

There are 2 things he does for starters! Anything else?
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Exactly. Now we just need receivers who can hold onto the ball in the clutch.
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[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1347901179' post='1156399']
Serious question. It seems as if this team is routinely outcoached. Why is the head coach saying "it's right to question the calls on 3rd and short?" If that's the case, then why didn't HE question them. Both coordinators called awful games yesterday, but someone needs to hold them accountable, because we are quickly becoming Chargers East.
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um hello,he isnt the Offensive Coordinator.
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[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1348102938' post='1159096']
What game did you watch b/c they wasn't constantly doing that. They were constantly sending their front 4 and dropping 7 back which seems to be our weakness.
[/quote] The same one you were, and i actually posted that because i had just read John Harbaugh's quote about how they were dropping guys in the box to stop rice and if they do that they are basically asking you to throw, and that he liked the decision to throw on 3rd and 2 and 4th and 2. How did rice only have 16 carries if they were only blitzing their front 4? all Philly did was send pressure...we were the team dropping 7 into coverage..
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