What exactly is John Harbaugh good at?

[PolishRifle]

Let's keep overreacting more, because of a 2 week loss. Please.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1347901904' post='1156421']
He is good at taking us to the Playoffs every Year!!!
It is week two!!
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Im not hating on Harbs just yet but he isn't the one on the field.

It really is a Team sport.

Im more p.o.ed about that Freaking Prevent Defense. I RAGE every time i see it.

[PuRock]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1347902729' post='1156452']
Win more games than any other coach in the last 4 years! Continually put his team in the position to win a SB!

There are 2 things he does for starters! [b]Anything else?[/b]
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He is also stellar at keeping our players aligned as a team instead of a bunch of individuals (like the Jets). He has gained the players respect and that goes a very, very long way.

But besides that, he approves, assists and amends gameplans installed by the coordinators. He is the ultimate decision maker for this squad. Now it might not seem like that from the fan's perspective. But you'd be amazed to know all the work and decisions John makes.

Now if people hate him when we suck, that's a different ballgame. But everything he does has played a part in our numerous amounts of wins and consecutive playoff appearances.

[PeRK82]

Everyone is over reacting , COME ON MAN, you people sound like Philly , STEALER, BENGAL , ETC Fans.

WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT AS FANS.

You either bleed purple or your a Wagoneer.

It was one game, Who would you rather lose to, the EAGLES or PATTIES.

Im feeling really really confident that we have going to beat the Patties an inch from their lives.

Mark it down. You heard it hear first.

[kassaiscool]

Hes a good leader and also loyal, just ask Cam Cameron I'm sure he will tell you. All joking aside you can't complain about John too much right now. John has taken this team to the playoffs 4 years straight, but hes reminding me more and more of Andy Reid in the fact that his team not getting the job done when needed.

[tctony]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1347904563' post='1156504']
But besides that, he approves, assists and amends gameplans installed by the coordinators. He is the ultimate decision maker for this squad. Now it might not seem like that from the fan's perspective. But you'd be amazed to know all the work and decisions John makes.
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So he should already know that prevent defense doesn't work, right?

He should already know we need to run the ball on 3rd and short once in a while, right?

He should know not to waste challenges for obvious plays, right?

Just a few of his mistakes from yesterday.

Obviously I don't believe that he sucks. He is clearly a good coach.

But he deserves blame too.

[ravens88]

i like John personally, our players love him he is a genuine guy is passionate and has been pretty dang successful if i remember... its one game everyone struggles its the NFL all that matters is moving on and winning next week. we have to win our Divisonal games and AFC games.

[gabefergy]

Stupid question gets simple answer. Harbs wins games. The players effort, dedication, discipline, and focus all stem directly from the HC.

[PuRock]

[quote name='kassaiscool' timestamp='1347904925' post='1156515']
Hes a good leader and also loyal, just ask Cam Cameron I'm sure he will tell you. All joking aside you can't complain about John too much right now. John has taken this team to the playoffs 4 years straight, but hes reminding me more and more of Andy Reid in the fact that his team not getting the job done when needed.
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Yep. People have to remember that Super Bowls aren't easy to win. They are very elusive. But John has played an integral part in giving us a shot every year. We were set up last year but the players need to execute as well.

[PuRock]

[quote name='tctony' timestamp='1347905340' post='1156525']
But he deserves blame too.
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Ofcourse he does. He has the final say in the game plans. He didn't help spearhead any great adjustments at the half either.

But no coach or gameplan is perfect. Bill B's gameplan didn't work to well against the Cards yesterday. It happens. But in the overall picture, this guy helps produce wins.

[52Strong]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1347901179' post='1156399']
Serious question. It seems as if this team is routinely outcoached. Why is the head coach saying "it's right to question the calls on 3rd and short?" If that's the case, then why didn't HE question them. Both coordinators called awful games yesterday, but someone needs to hold them accountable, because we are quickly becoming Chargers East.
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[size=4][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][color=#222222]I think we still have our best football left in us, and honestly to me yesterday's game was over for me when the clock hit zero. What's Important Now!!! Let's rally behind our boys this week and blow the preverbal roof off of M&T Bank Stadium on Sunday night![/color][/font][/size][color=#222222][font='Arial', 'sans-serif'][size=2][/size][/font][/color]
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[tctony]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1347905809' post='1156539']
Ofcourse he does. He has the final say in the game plans. He didn't help spearhead any great adjustments at the half either.

But no coach or gameplan is perfect. Bill B's gameplan didn't work to well against the Cards yesterday. It happens. But in the overall picture, [b]this guy helps produce wins[/b].
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No doubt.

The original intent of this post may have been inflammatory towards him...but I am generally interested in what this guy does. Clearly he produces. But what does he do during the games? What [i]is[/i] he good at doing (cus clearly it is something)?

I have a problem with his relationship with Cam, though. He is too passive in that relationship to tell Cam "no". When Cam's gameplan works, it works really well. When it doesn't, Cam is too stubborn to change. 6 passes on 3rd/4th and short, 0-6 getting 1st downs. John admits after the game it is okay to question that...so why isn't he questioning that during the game!

I'm afraid this is going to carry over to Pees too. I'm sorry - but Pees scheme looks awful. Even Dierdorf said that Ray was saying Pees is learning. The offense bailed the defense out in the first game, but this scheme screams Mattison 2.0 to me. Ray, Ed and the fans know this won't work. Harbaugh needs to step in when we are only rushing 3 guys on defense and leaving WRs open all day long.

[redrum52]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1347902656' post='1156451']
Well the FO hired him in 2008, and since then we've had 4 straight winning seasons, 4 trips to the playoffs, 5 postseason wins, 2 appearances in the AFCCG, and won the division last year for the first time since 2006. So obviously he's got to be doing something right, or at least something that Billick and the previous coaching staff weren't able to do.
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Here's a question, can you name which years you think we've had our best offenses? That might have something to do with why Billicks teams struggled. As good as a defense is you can't expect them to score, stop opponent from scoring and always out you in good field position. You pre 08 defense with this offense and no one wants to see us.

[PurpleCityLights]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1347901179' post='1156399']
Serious question. It seems as if this team is routinely outcoached. Why is the head coach saying "it's right to question the calls on 3rd and short?" If that's the case, then why didn't HE question them. Both coordinators called awful games yesterday, but someone needs to hold them accountable, because we are quickly becoming Chargers East.
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He's good at watching the game from the sidelines because he doesn't dial any plays up..
...oh my bad, he does throw his red flag from time too time.

[big hits and ball hawks]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1347902198' post='1156431']
Did anyone expect to go 16-0 like really.... Just win against pats and everyone will be in [b]Happyland[/b] again :-)
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I want to be there!

[redrum52]

There were people complaining about the defense last week. There were some people who still didnt 'trust Cam. It just wasn't as blatant.

I noticed no one has given a real answer to the initial question but I'm sure the OP is being negged(on mobile so can't see).

[dudly]

good manager head coach, but the last season two of our biggest question marks were the offensive play calling, and our consistency after a big win....the season is early but have they been addressed? we have given up a lot of yardage on defense, but we lost some good players to free agency, have a new system in with a new D.C. not to mention our premier pass russher is injured.
the blame for the loss has to be on the whole team, but if we look at the games we lost and the pass run play calling ratio and it is in question in every game surely the head coach is at fault for not addressing the situation.

[ratedr]

[quote name='tctony' timestamp='1347907633' post='1156567']


No doubt.

The original intent of this post may have been inflammatory towards him...but I am generally interested in what this guy does. Clearly he produces. But what does he do during the games? What [i]is[/i] he good at doing (cus clearly it is something)?

I have a problem with his relationship with Cam, though. He is too passive in that relationship to tell Cam "no". When Cam's gameplan works, it works really well. When it doesn't, Cam is too stubborn to change. 6 passes on 3rd/4th and short, 0-6 getting 1st downs. John admits after the game it is okay to question that...so why isn't he questioning that during the game!

I'm afraid this is going to carry over to Pees too. I'm sorry - but Pees scheme looks awful. Even Dierdorf said that Ray was saying Pees is learning. The offense bailed the defense out in the first game, but this scheme screams Mattison 2.0 to me. Ray, Ed and the fans know this won't work. Harbaugh needs to step in when we are only rushing 3 guys on defense and leaving WRs open all day long.
[/quote]Exactly. I'm not calling for Harbs to be fired, but I've seen no evidence that his coordinators are held accountable. A head coach shouldn't be deflecting.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1347910676' post='1156630']
There were people complaining about the defense last week. There were some people who still didnt 'trust Cam. It just wasn't as blatant.

I noticed no one has given a real answer to the initial question but I'm sure the OP is being negged(on mobile so can't see).
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Lol answer a question on fan boards and not call the poster negative names. God forbid he said anything bad about Joe lol.

But seriously, we as fans of the team tend to be a little over sensitive when it comes to the Ravens and yes before I get negged I am including myself. So not many but not everybody will not just answer the question. It is what it is.

I keep bringing up the fact on an old thread about a poster that said we should have cut cundiff and that one year was not the norm blah blah. He got negged and called stupid by posters who later said the samething. No replies. I don't care about being right just would like a little more respect for posters by ppl with over 1000 posts who seem to be the ones who who do this.

[atlravensfan]

And to answer the poster. I think his leadership helps out the team and cuts down on a lot of the dumb penalties esp in the secondary. He is emotional and his players tend to follow his lead. 4 playoff appearances in 4 years shows that the head coach does matter.

[redrum52]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1347913093' post='1156698']


Lol answer a question on fan boards and not call the poster negative names. God forbid he said anything bad about Joe lol.

But seriously, we as fans of the team tend to be a little over sensitive when it comes to the Ravens and yes before I get negged I am including myself. So not many but not everybody will not just answer the question. It is what it is.

I keep bringing up the fact on an old thread about a poster that said we should have cut cundiff and that one year was not the norm blah blah. He got negged and called stupid by posters who later said the samething. No replies. I don't care about being right just would like a little more respect for posters by ppl with over 1000 posts who seem to be the ones who who do this.
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PEOPLE act like the FO can do no wrong. Where are Carr, Cundiff, Evans, Mark Clayton, Foxworth etc. Let's not forget we also tried to resign Cary at years 15 mil. Just cause we dont have the job doesn't mean we don't know what we are talking about sometimes. You say somethin g they don't like and try to attack you. I NEVER AGREE WITH GIVING CUNDIFF THAT CONTRACT. I'm also happy Cary declined to resign cause I you t he finishes as the starter this year. I get when people post outrageous stuff but sometimes they over react to people asking a real question. Some people can get scrutinized more than others as well even if one side is more accomplished.

[PuRock]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1347910676' post='1156630']
There were people complaining about the defense last week. There were some people who still didnt 'trust Cam. It just wasn't as blatant.

I noticed no one has given a real answer to the initial question but I'm sure the OP is being negged(on mobile so can't see).
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I thought I gave plenty of examples earlier. But I will try again.

[quote name='tctony' timestamp='1347907633' post='1156567']
No doubt.

The original intent of this post may have been inflammatory towards him...but I am generally interested in what this guy does. Clearly he produces. But what does he do during the games? What [i]is[/i] he good at doing (cus clearly it is something)?
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He does the same stuff that all the other non-playing head coaches (which is pretty much most of the coaches in the NFL) do during games. He gives input on play selections, manages the clock, makes the tough calls, punt/FG/Go for it decisions, arguing with the refs. Its nothing exciting, but it keeps these coaches busy. I know most fans want coaches (and John) to be doing more in-game, but this is the norm.

A head coach really makes his pay during the week. Approving, reviewing and tweaking game plans. People underestimate the process and element of a game plan. Obviously John is getting it done because we win more games than not. But John also excels in getting the players focused and motivated (which is one of the prime reasons why the FO and Owner hired him). He has great respect from the players of this team and he keeps them as a team (a lot of head coach lose their players and as a result lose games).

To me John is best at holding the whole 'winning' formula together rather than in-game decision making. He manages the players and coaches throughout the year. Everything goes through him. The game plans, the packages, the starters, personnel inputs etc. And the fact that we are winning games is evidence as to the success John is having as a head coach.

[redrum52]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1347914070' post='1156725']


I thought I gave plenty of examples earlier. But I will try again.



He does the same stuff that all the other non-playing head coaches (which is pretty much most of the coaches in the NFL) do during games. He gives input on play selections, manages the clock, makes the tough calls, punt/FG/Go for it decisions, arguing with the refs. Its nothing exciting, but it keeps these coaches busy.

But IMO, a head coach really makes his pay during the week. Approving, reviewing and tweaking game plans. People underestimate the process and element of a game plan. Obviously John is getting it done because we win more games than naught. But John also excels in getting the players focused and motivated. He has great respect from the players of this team and he keeps them as a team (a lot of head coach lose their players and as a result lose games).
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I'll give him credit for the discipline. That could also go into drafting though. My main problem with Harbaugh since he's been here seems like we can never make in game adjustments, or at least ones that benefit the team. Maybe that's on the coordinators but I know I'm not the only who feels that way. It usually seems like it takes the off season or half of the reg season to correct errors I feel should able to be made but I could be wrong. That and timeout management. Should try and work more on situational ball as well.

[baltravens]

IMO, Harbaugh is good at bringing a team together and uniting a team for a given opponent or situation.

[PuRock]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1347914583' post='1156740']
I'll give him credit for the discipline. That could also go into drafting though. My main problem with Harbaugh since he's been here seems like we can never make in game adjustments, or at least ones that benefit the team. Maybe that's on the coordinators but I know I'm not the only who feels that way. It usually seems like it takes the off season or half of the reg season to correct errors I feel should able to be made but I could be wrong. That and timeout management. Should try and work more on situational ball as well.
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I'm not saying John shouldn't be held liable for bad losses. Its both the coordinators and head coach's job to make in-game adjustments. I'll be the first to admit, this has never been John's or our coordinators strong point.

Some coaches have a knack for this. Bill B probably gives plenty of input on what needs to be changed to an offensive coordinator like McDaniels.

Ravens do better when they install a great gameplan during the week. We've seen it the last two years for week 1. They have plenty of time to install something that works. This is their strong suit. But when things go wrong, the corrections are often weak. But I have also seen times where you can see obvious adjustments and they've work. Obviously this is something I would like to see more of.

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1347904194' post='1156493']
Let's keep overreacting more, because of a 2 week loss. Please.
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Well, one game can cost you homefield advantage like we found out last year.

[PolishRifle]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1347915092' post='1156753']
Well, one game can cost you homefield advantage like we found out last year.
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You're right. Lets fire Harbaugh. Trade all our players for draft picks and see if we get lucky during the 2013 draft.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1347915092' post='1156753']
Well, one game can cost you homefield advantage like we found out last year.
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Speaking of which. After tonight's game, 20 teams will be 1-1. That is the most teams ever with records of 1-1. So we aren't alone in this boat.

Honestly the Eagles should be 0-2 rather than 2-0. They got lucky in game one playing a very weak team with a QB starting his first game. Then they turned the ball over a million of times, got some key critical help from the refs against us. But more power to them, they are 2-0, they are obviously doing something right.

[berad]

I see Harbaugh as an effective motivator, he stands by his coaches/players (sometimes to fault), he instilled discipline on the team, and he actually made the Ravens a cohesive unit rather than what we saw in the Billick era. Most importantly, he wins.

[PuRock]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1347915624' post='1156765']
I see Harbaugh as an effective motivator, he stands by his coaches/players (sometimes to fault), he instilled discipline on the team, and he actually made the Ravens a cohesive unit rather than what we saw in the Billick era. Most importantly, he wins.
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Harbaugh and Tomlin are a lot a like. They are both great motivators from limited experience. In game they are fairly hands off besides the 'normal' duties.

Tomlin has acknowledged to allowing his coordinators to have free reign and he doesn't even know what the play calls will be most the time. Johns probably about the same.