2 reasons we lost

[CalvinSmoke]

The Eagles vs. Ravens game on the 16th of September was a great an physical game, and I hope we develop a rivalry. The refs made bad calls for both teams, and both teams left points on the field. At the end of the day Vick out played Flacco when it counted. End of story.

I hate seeing grown adults crying about minute details. Good game Philly

[beasy2487]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1347891055' post='1156066']
Look, the offense sputtered in the 2nd half because they took the game out of Joe's hands and gave the reins back to Cam. However, our defense was given a 10 pt lead at half-time and a 6 pt lead with only 4 minutes left in the game. Pees and the defense failed this game. I know we love our defense, but that is just fact.
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Honestly I think your defensive expectations are too high. We are simply not as talented on that side of the ball as we used to be because we've spent so many years trying to beef up our offense. The only dominant players on our defense are Ngata, Pollard, and Webb.

Ray, even with the lost weight is just not as fast as he used to be and because he lost weight can't tackle as well. Reed can't tackle period. That knee shot was dirty but he has to do that because he can't wrap guys up and that's the same reason he got embarrassed by Celek. Cary is a poor man's Cortland Finnegan and Jimmy just isn't there yet. None of our OLBs can consistently beat one-on-one matchups and while our DE's are solid they aren't amazing--honestly we aren't even seeing Cory Redding-type production. That just leaves the merry go round at the ILB spot next to Ray which is where we were 2 years ago trying to have 2 guys do what one guy should be able to do.

It hurts, but this defense is going to struggle all year and the Offense has to play to it's potential (and much, MUCH smarter) consistently or we won't be where we want to be in January.

[jaege]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1347891527' post='1156080']
Joe should be man enough to go out there and call his own.plays and not care what Cam wants to do. Sorry, I Love Joe but he can't just hide behind the Can excuse. If he can fo better, than he should. The fact that he doesn't is alarming. The coaches are not going to bench him.for doing his own thing.
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This is my feeling exactly. Man up. Once he is on the field, what are they going to do if he calls a new play? Whine? Bring in Taylor? Hire painter?

[Larryterri]

Ravens have to play Ravens football, at 3rd and 2, Ravens football = rice running and breaking away for a 1st down. Yesterday I felt like every 2nd down was a 3rd down. Bad calls didnt help, but Philly did everything they could do to help us win that game. Ravens D wasn't there either. I know we dont have Suggs, and that hurts, but I dont believe we cant play D without him...

We better be able to convert this week...

[jaege]

[quote name='DeathPunch' timestamp='1347900950' post='1156392']
Reason why your team lost

1. Eagles statistically dominated on both sides of the ball the whole game. They also dominated time of possession

2. Better PlayCalling

3. Eagles have a better ofense and defense than the Ravens

4. In what would have been a dominating performance by the Eagles they committed 4 turnovers keeping the game much closer.. Which of course the Ravens failed to capitalize on.

5. Letting vick once again lead the offense to another game winning TD




Now you guys can cry about the refs all you want.But they are at the bottom of the list on why you guys lost.Both teams got some bad calls.

But Most Certainly the TD to ford or whomeever it was, was overturned cause as a WR you can't extend your arm out to create space. Which is what he did.

Vicks pass was not a fumble. You'd have to be an idiot to think otherwise.. It certianly wasn't intentional grounding either since it was in the vicinity of a WR.

Cry all you want. But the Ravens were playing dirty. There tackles consisted of going for someones knees with intent to injure Which is why Kelce is likely out for the season. Lets also ignore the countless hits on vick after the pass that went without a flag.


I never seen a team come out and cry so much publicly. I lost a lot of respect for the Ravens. If they had ever gotten to the Superbowl I would have rooted for them.


But the Eagles pushed back and won.
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The Eagles won. That they did. But the reffing was just horrible. All the way around. That isnt crying that is a fact. It is easier to overlook when your team wins, had you lost you would be remembering all the calls then went against you. As far as playing dirty, I saw as many if not more Eagles taking swings and fighting as I did Ravens. And as soon as it became clear that holding and PI wasn't getting called our WRs were getting mugged by your CBs as soon as they stepped off the line of scrimage. It was a free for all. Most of the hits were fair some may have not been. More bad reffing.

Still the Eagles are hardly the best team in the league. Besides beating a crappy Ravens team, what have they done? Nada.

[ryananth]

Main reason we lost was MICHAEL VICK. He was unbelievable. The beating he took and he kept coming back for more.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='ryananth' timestamp='1347907657' post='1156568']
Main reason we lost was MICHAEL VICK. He was unbelievable. The beating he took and he kept coming back for more.
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How about getting the ball away as he was being tackled by 2 defenders?

[beasy2487]

[quote name='DeathPunch' timestamp='1347903850' post='1156484']
Learn what a troll is.
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The entire Eagles fanbase. But hey, when arguing with an Eagles fan see: trophy case.

[beasy2487]

We really need to stop talking about the refs. The fact that our offense straight up depends on PI calls to move the ball downfield is a disgrace.

[PurpleCityLights]

[quote name='jazz1988' timestamp='1347894872' post='1156196']


Joe Flacco can audible at any giving time so i dont see how the game was ripped away out of his hand's . Flacco could had audible to a run play but he and Cam wanted to be so pass happy. Flacco has sees what defense is giving him and we all know he has every right to change a play but he obviously thought plays from cam were fine . i agree with everything else you said about the defense
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Joe said all the plays on the last drive where called in by Mr. Cam.......So joe is still pinocchio and Cam is Gazpacho.

[DeathPunch]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1347907153' post='1156561']
The Eagles won. That they did. But the reffing was just horrible. All the way around. That isnt crying that is a fact. It is easier to overlook when your team wins, had you lost you would be remembering all the calls then went against you. As far as playing dirty, I saw as many if not more Eagles taking swings and fighting as I did Ravens. And as soon as it became clear that holding and PI wasn't getting called our WRs were getting mugged by your CBs as soon as they stepped off the line of scrimage. It was a free for all. Most of the hits were fair some may have not been. More bad reffing.

Still the Eagles are hardly the best team in the league. Besides beating a crappy Ravens team, what have they done? Nada.
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Its called press coverage. You got plenty of calls against the Eagles for illegal contact. The eagles have possibly the best secondary trio in the league.

[RavensAllTheWay]

I'm surprised more people aren't talking about how our O line got slaughtered in pass protection. I've never seen Flacco take a beating like that, not even the regular season game against HOU last year or the Falcons game in 2010. We rarely, if ever, see Flacco get up slowly and gingerly after being knocked down, and it happened multiple times yesterday.

[PurpleCityLights]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1347910747' post='1156632']
I'm surprised more people aren't talking about how our O line got slaughtered in pass protection. I've never seen Flacco take a beating like that, not even the regular season game against HOU last year or the Falcons game in 2010. We rarely, if ever, see Flacco get up slowly and gingerly after being knocked down, and it happened multiple times yesterday.
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This.

[raybaby]

[quote name='PurpleCityLights' timestamp='1347908422' post='1156588']
Joe said all the plays on the last drive where called in by Mr. Cam.......So joe is still pinocchio and Cam is Gazpacho.
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Might be true but he can't state all things he has been and they let his offense stall on 3rd downs. He has made it cleat that wants the responsibility of the offense's fate in his hands. He is the one who is suppose to be leading this team. He can't be in control of the offense one minute and then the next have no impact of what play is going to happen on the field.

I think it was clear that his receivers weren't beating their man so as the leader you make sure you do what you need to do in order to move the chains. If that's demanding different plays to open his receivers or running on at least a hand full of those 3rd and short situations. Obviously this is the offensive coordinators responsibility but it's Joe's as well.

[raybaby]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1347910747' post='1156632']
I'm surprised more people aren't talking about how our O line got slaughtered in pass protection. I've never seen Flacco take a beating like that, not even the regular season game against HOU last year or the Falcons game in 2010. We rarely, if ever, see Flacco get up slowly and gingerly after being knocked down, and it happened multiple times yesterday.
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Yeah he was hurt apparently. The deep pass to Torrey would have been a TD but that ball was uncharacteristically wobbling through the air. It seemed to really affect his throws.

[XxSizzleXx]

We were like 1/10 coverting on third down on the first 10 attempts. There were 3, 3rd and shorts in which we tried to pass and didn't convert. The play calling, not capitilizing on our chances and bad play cost us the game.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='DeathPunch' timestamp='1347910452' post='1156626']
Its called press coverage. You got plenty of calls against the Eagles for illegal contact. The eagles have possibly the best secondary trio in the league.
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No, press coverage is within 5 yards of the LOS, not 15, 20, and 30 yards down the field. Sorry bub. Do you wish to phone a friend?

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='raybaby' timestamp='1347911667' post='1156656']
Might be true but he can't state all things he has been and they let his offense stall on 3rd downs. He has made it cleat that wants the responsibility of the offense's fate in his hands. He is the one who is suppose to be leading this team. He can't be in control of the offense one minute and then the next have no impact of what play is going to happen on the field.

I think it was clear that his receivers weren't beating their man so as the leader you make sure you do what you need to do in order to move the chains. If that's demanding different plays to open his receivers or running on at least a hand full of those 3rd and short situations. Obviously this is the offensive coordinators responsibility but it's Joe's as well.
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I agree. I felt like Joe or Cam should have made this adjustment at half time. We should have came out throwing some screens to Rice to slow the pass rush. Then we should have went no huddle and ran the ball coupled with some short routes, and then moved into a bunch formation with Pitta on the opposite side to help beat the press coverage. That would at least have helped us score SOME points in the 3rd quarter.

[DeathPunch]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1347914858' post='1156745']
No, press coverage is within 5 yards of the LOS, not 15, 20, and 30 yards down the field. Sorry bub. Do you wish to phone a friend?
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Face it. Ravens offense was dominated. Maybe you should blame it on poor performance instead of making excuses. Your two WR totaled for 85 yards. Want to know why? Or do you need to phone a friend for another excuse.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1347897966' post='1156313']
I think what we are missing is that the the O is not quite ready to take the no huddle and frequent audible show on the road. I mentioned in another thread a pregame interview with Pitta that was on 98 rock. In that interview Dennis mentioned that there is still a lot of work that needs to be done with on field communications, especially non verbal. Away from from home with all of the noise, it would seem crucial to have this down to be able to properly change the play at the los. I could be wrong, but let's see how things work out at home this week.
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Even if that is the case, the play calling could have been better and Flacco can still call his own plays in the huddle, or call audibles. But I do understand how that might be a factor in a loud environment, I had hoped we had hand signals and such down though.

The defense didn't do terrible, they just were on the field a long time and often with all of our 3 and outs. They could have played better for sure, but they certainly were out there battling. I just didn't like the deep zone scheme, which I'm sure was there to protect us against their speed. But I believe Jackson is only speed, and if we would have doubled him, put Webby on Maclin, and played physical at the line, we could have prevented the huge chunks underneathe as well as over the top. Especially it would have helped to contain Celek from grabbing wide open passes.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1347905375' post='1156526']
This is my feeling exactly. Man up. Once he is on the field, what are they going to do if he calls a new play? Whine? Bring in Taylor? Hire painter?
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Yeah. I really think Flacco is going to be a great quarterback, I think he already is a very good one. But he has to stop letting others be excuses for him.

[JEEPercreepermd]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1347891055' post='1156066']
Look, the offense sputtered in the 2nd half because they took the game out of Joe's hands and gave the reins back to Cam. However, our defense was given a 10 pt lead at half-time and a 6 pt lead with only 4 minutes left in the game. Pees and the defense failed this game. I know we love our defense, but that is just fact.
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The defense failed, because the offense couldn't sustain drives. The Eagles had the ball pretty much the entire second half. If the Ravens offense can manage more than 2 fg's (credit Justin Tucker on those..not the offense for putting him in position) then we win.

The defense actually played very well considering Philly's offense was firing on all cylinders. Make no mistake, all trash talk aside. That offense is one of the more potent in the league when they are on. Just like the AFCC in pittsburgh 2 years ago. We had a nice lead going into the 2nd half and the offense went into a shell.

[JEEPercreepermd]

I'll correct my last post. The TD that put the Eagles back in the game was a HORRIBLY blown coverage by both Reed and Williams who were both obviously licking their chops trying to get a big hit on vick when they left JEREMY FREAKIN MACLIN alone in the endzone. That's not on the DC, that was a foolish play by Reed who should know better and by Williams.

[PuRock]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' timestamp='1347916349' post='1156781']
I'll correct my last post. The TD that put the Eagles back in the game was a HORRIBLY blown coverage by both Reed and Williams who were both obviously licking their chops trying to get a big hit on vick when they left JEREMY FREAKIN MACLIN alone in the endzone. That's not on the DC, that was a foolish play by Reed who should know better and by Williams.
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What's funny is that play call actually worked. It flushed Vick out of the pocket where we had guys. I actually don't blame Williams that much for that play(but he had plenty of other bad moments). He was playing zone and was suppose to let the WR through to the next level.

Reed made his 'playmaking' decision and bit on the run and the coverage was blown. But most of the time, Reed's instincts are pretty damn good.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1347915407' post='1156759']
Yeah. I really think Flacco is going to be a great quarterback, I think he already is a very good one. But he has to stop letting others be excuses for him.
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I got negged why?

[Yatagarasu]

I feel like if Vick keeps taking hits like yesterday, he won't be able to finish the season.

It's still early in the season, so the toll doesn't look bad, but I can tell that 10 more games like this is going to be hard on his body.

[CorvusCorax]

The [b]4 sets of three and outs[/b] are what did us in. We gave the ball right back to Vick, giving our Defense little time to rest.

The Eagles won this game, at a costly price however. Lots of injuries from their team and Vick is piling on the injuries.

[display name]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1347889926' post='1156038']
1.) I was at this game, I talked to PHILLY fans around me and we all agreed, their corners were holding and disrupting our receivers so far past 5 yards it wasn't funny. Even.the Jones touchdown, he pushed off because he was being held. Nnamdi was not even turning his body or head around to play the ball which should of been a penalty each time. Joe basically could throw it back shoulder and hope they got free, hope Pitta was open, or try Rice. Problem was also there was pressure in his face. Which brings me to this

2.) We didn't make the proper adjustments on offense or defense. We should have ran more and used play action, screens, and some bunch formations to get our offense moving. And I blame Joe, Cameron, and Harbs. I didn't like our defense playing such a deep zone. We were leaving Celek wide open because the zones would get spread back.because Vick had plenty of time. I thought we should have put Webb on Maclin, Pollard and Williams on Jackson, and then played Vick and their TEs physical.

Joe should have made adjustments on.the sideline with Cam, and Harbs should have stepped in when it didn't happen. But refs also were killing us. Move on though, we lost week 2 last year and still made it one drop away from Superbowl, I'm not worried yet.
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Amen brotha!
I can't even tell you how much stamina it took for me not to cuss out those [Hold it together display!] reffs that might well have cost us the game.

[display name]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1347916601' post='1156787']
What's funny is that play call actually worked. It flushed Vick out of the pocket where we had guys. I actually don't blame Williams that much for that play(but he had plenty of other bad moments). He was playing zone and was suppose to let the WR through to the next level.

Reed made his 'playmaking' decision and bit on the run and the coverage was blown. But most of the time, Reed's instincts are pretty damn good.
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I'm the biggest Cary hater here, but even I must admit that was Reed's fault, not Cary's. The D had plenty guys to stop Vick if he chose to run, and there was no way Ed was gonna get there in time. Therefor, why lose Maclin?

[Cville-Raven]

[quote name='beasy2487' timestamp='1347907957' post='1156578']
The entire Eagles fanbase. But hey, when arguing with an Eagles fan see: trophy case.
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yup, may want to whip out how many more future HOFamers we'll have in a ten year span than the Eagles will.