2 reasons we lost

[3-4ravdef509]

1.) I was at this game, I talked to PHILLY fans around me and we all agreed, their corners were holding and disrupting our receivers so far past 5 yards it wasn't funny. Even.the Jones touchdown, he pushed off because he was being held. Nnamdi was not even turning his body or head around to play the ball which should of been a penalty each time. Joe basically could throw it back shoulder and hope they got free, hope Pitta was open, or try Rice. Problem was also there was pressure in his face. Which brings me to this

2.) We didn't make the proper adjustments on offense or defense. We should have ran more and used play action, screens, and some bunch formations to get our offense moving. And I blame Joe, Cameron, and Harbs. I didn't like our defense playing such a deep zone. We were leaving Celek wide open because the zones would get spread back.because Vick had plenty of time. I thought we should have put Webb on Maclin, Pollard and Williams on Jackson, and then played Vick and their TEs physical.

Joe should have made adjustments on.the sideline with Cam, and Harbs should have stepped in when it didn't happen. But refs also were killing us. Move on though, we lost week 2 last year and still made it one drop away from Superbowl, I'm not worried yet.

[rayrayven]

Rice is one of best backs in football and has been on fire this year but 3 quarters into the game he has only 10 carries? This is the same thing that happened last year when Ray Lewis was complaining about not using Rice. Why pay a guy 40 mil to have him play like a substitute?

[ravensdfan]

Look, the offense sputtered in the 2nd half because they took the game out of Joe's hands and gave the reins back to Cam. However, our defense was given a 10 pt lead at half-time and a 6 pt lead with only 4 minutes left in the game. Pees and the defense failed this game. I know we love our defense, but that is just fact.

[CalvinSmoke]

hmm... I can agree with the CB's on our WR's. The corners did stop turning to the ball in the second half.

All in all, our boys still gotta get open, I didn't see Boldin much at all lol

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1347891055' post='1156066']
Look, the offense sputtered in the 2nd half because they took the game out of Joe's hands and gave the reins back to Cam. However, our defense was given a 10 pt lead at half-time and a 6 pt lead with only 4 minutes left in the game. Pees and the defense failed this game. I know we love our defense, but that is just fact.
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Joe should be man enough to go out there and call his own.plays and not care what Cam wants to do. Sorry, I Love Joe but he can't just hide behind the Can excuse. If he can fo better, than he should. The fact that he doesn't is alarming. The coaches are not going to bench him.for doing his own thing.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1347891086' post='1156069']
hmm... I can agree with the CB's on our WR's. The corners did stop turning to the ball in the second half.

All in all, our boys still gotta get open, I didn't see Boldin much at all lol
[/quote]

Neither Joe or cam were calling plays designed to help receivers beat tight man to man coverage. Nor were we trying to wear out their linemen or slow down the blitz.

[Cville-Raven]

1.offense

2.defense

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='Cville-Raven' timestamp='1347891701' post='1156085']
1.offense

2.defense
[/quote]

The bright side to.that is our special teams looked awesome lol

[berad]

It was pretty ridiculous when we came out in the second half and didn't run the ball for 3-4 drives. What made it worse was that we couldn't complete a pass, either

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Cville-Raven' timestamp='1347891701' post='1156085']
1.offense

2.defense
[/quote]

I disagree.

1. defense
2. offense

Our defense was given a 10 pt lead at the half and a 6 pt lead with only 4 mins left in the game. Not that the offense doesn't share the loss and played spectacular but the defense was given a defensible position with only 4 mins left.

[Sizzlebshu]

Here is my take on the loss yesterday

The defense was just atrocious. I mean obviously we are the Ravens and we play good D, but that was not Ravens level defense yesterday. We honed in on Vick's rushing ability to much and as a result gave up easy points (Maclin TD, Celek in general). WE got pressure and hit Vick, but coverage wise we weren't playing the hard nosed man to man coverage that can take guys like Celek and D jax out of the game.

Offensively what killed us was getting away from the uptempo no huddle. Part of the reason Rice was so effective and the offense in general was clicking was because we took their d line out of the game by tiring them out and not letting them rotate out. In the second half with a lead, we got away from using that. If we are to have any chance of beating the Patriots or any other team, we must run the No Huddle all game and prevent substitution.

The refs of course were atrocious, but they are not the reason we lost the game. They are the reason we were put into a position to lose, but the D had to hold up, and the offensive had to at least get to opponents territory. Instead Philly's D got the best of us. I still believe this is the best team in the afc, but we still suffer from that hangover syndrome after big wins and if we are going to win the big one, we have to get over that.

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1347892119' post='1156102']


I disagree.

1. defense
2. offense

Our defense was given a 10 pt lead at the half and a 6 pt lead with only 4 mins left in the game. Not that the offense doesn't share the loss and played spectacular but the defense was given a defensible position with only 4 mins left.
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True, but how many 3 and outs did we have? We could have helped our defense out be staying on the offensive longer. Just saying.

[kassaiscool]

If we were gashing them with run that much, we should have kept doing it. Our inside linebackers can't cover well and will be exposed throughout the season. Middle of the field is too easy for teams to attack with the ravens. We shut down the run better than I expected tho, corners really came down and helped.

[Rinbee]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1347891055' post='1156066']
Look, the offense sputtered in the 2nd half because they took the game out of Joe's hands and gave the reins back to Cam. However, our defense was given a 10 pt lead at half-time and a 6 pt lead with only 4 minutes left in the game. Pees and the defense failed this game. I know we love our defense, but that is just fact.
[/quote]

Yes, taking pressure off vick was a mistake at the end, but too many 3 and outs by the offense makes the job much tougher for the defense than it should have been. Our turnovers accounted for 14 of theri points. the INT was especially bad. We're starting to see the olf second half Ravens offense again and it kills us every time. Run the d___ ball Joe/Cam!!!!

[CalvinSmoke]

Since we are throwing around blame...

[CalvinSmoke]

Since we just love to throw blame out around here...

Tyrod Taylor! What the heck man, you were supposed to emmulate Michael Vick this past week in practice! You gotta prepare us better man! smh

*jokes*

[3-4ravdef509]

I feel like something is going on behind the scenes that we are not aware if. Seems stupid that we gave up on no huddle so easily, and Joe didn't seem to do anything except go along with it.

[Corvus]

I stay away from this place immediately following losses and I only got to watch the last 2 minutes of the game, but from what I gathered a huge point in this loss was our inability to cover Brent Celek. The guy is a solid TE, but he was getting at least 20 yards EVERY TIME HE CAUGHT IT, which was quite a few times. Where was the adjustment after he had burned us, oh you knw the first 4 or 5 times on his way to 150+ yds? I also really hated the fake punt that failed, I grimaced when I read the play on the gamecast. The last play to Rice that Joe badly overthrew should have been a quick designed screen to him, not a route out of the shotgun, Rice could have made guys miss enough to get 2 yards if executed well, dunno why we seemed to be in such a hurry to get down field when there was still almost a minute left on the clock and Tuck's leg would have easily been good from the Eaglesk 40 yd line (I would have trusted him from there, 56-57yds, had he gotten the opportunity) Instead we're flinging it down field and then two bad overthrows. Dunno what happened to Joe in the second half, but he and the defense have gotta step it up in crunch time next week for sure...

[jazz1988]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1347891055' post='1156066']
[b]Look, the offense sputtered in the 2nd half because they took the game out of Joe's hands and gave the reins back to Cam. However,[/b] our defense was given a 10 pt lead at half-time and a 6 pt lead with only 4 minutes left in the game. Pees and the defense failed this game. I know we love our defense, but that is just fact.
[/quote]

Joe Flacco can audible at any giving time so i dont see how the game was ripped away out of his hand's . Flacco could had audible to a run play but he and Cam wanted to be so pass happy. Flacco has sees what defense is giving him and we all know he has every right to change a play but he obviously thought plays from cam were fine . i agree with everything else you said about the defense

[Cville-Raven]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1347892119' post='1156102']
I disagree.

1. defense
2. offense

Our defense was given a 10 pt lead at the half and a 6 pt lead with only 4 mins left in the game. Not that the offense doesn't share the loss and played spectacular but the defense was given a defensible position with only 4 mins left.
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It was in no particular order......

[3-4ravdef509]

[quote name='jazz1988' timestamp='1347894872' post='1156196']


Joe Flacco can audible at any giving time so i dont see how the game was ripped away out of his hand's . Flacco could had audible to a run play but he and Cam wanted to be so pass happy. Flacco has sees what defense is giving him and we all know he has every right to change a play but he obviously thought plays from cam were fine . i agree with everything else you said about the defense
[/quote]

Exactly. I.don't like Cam, and I love Flacco but he is also responsible now

[Gtown Purple]

I liked how we threw the ball on 3 and 4th and short nearly every time even though we have Ray Rice....

[Guest RBates]

This is for right now Ray Rice's team. The offense has to run through him. The defensive philosophy needs to change immediately. There is no way you are telling me that because Suggs is hurt we have that much of a drop off on defense. Dean Pees play calling is bad, and that's being generous.

[hawkprey]

The entire loss stems from the ineptitude of the passing game, which itself stems from the replacement refs not willing to call holding or PI for most of the second half. Completing a pass was impossible. That forced the D back onto the field after what seemed like endless 3-and-outs. The D got tired and guys were left open. Overall the D didn't have that bad of a game until they started really getting gassed. We could've blitzed more which sure would've helped, because most of Philly's big passing plays came when Vick had too much time. But the D still did enough to win the game (and so did the offense, technically, with the second TD to Jacoby).

[hawkprey]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1347896222' post='1156242']
This is for right now Ray Rice's team. The offense has to run through him. The defensive philosophy needs to change immediately. There is no way you are telling me that because Suggs is hurt we have that much of a drop off on defense. Dean Pees play calling is bad, and that's being generous.
[/quote]
Rice was only running for big yardage because they were afraid of our passing game. As soon as our passing game stunk Ray Rice barely got any yards on the carries he did have. If you want to make the entire O about Ray Rice, he's not going get nearly the YPC he's been getting and the offense is going to stall just as bad.

[CapoRocky]

I was there too in section 228 with my 3 Philly cousins. They all agreed with what you said. The difference was that our DBs couldn't cover well enough to hold on to the lead. Still, they all thought that Tucker was going to kick a game winning FG if given the chance. Their weaknesses are run defense and defending the short pass across the middle. We didn't exploit that enough to win. Let's just beat the Patsies and knock the smirk off of Brady's face.

[ckgeisl]

[quote name='3-4ravdef509' timestamp='1347891527' post='1156080']
Joe should be man enough to go out there and call his own.plays and not care what Cam wants to do. Sorry, I Love Joe but he can't just hide behind the Can excuse. If he can fo better, than he should. The fact that he doesn't is alarming. The coaches are not going to bench him.for doing his own thing.
[/quote]

I agree 100% on this. Now to be honest, I LOVED that "younse" lost, I KNOW its only a little bump in the road. Next week, I will take you over the Patriots, especially that Hernandez is out for 6-8 weeks now on the Patriots. My whole point about your team is when Flacco or Slacco" is going to show up. Why did Slacco not audible or check down or change plays that were passing to running? I just hope you can stay healthy and get the unhealthy players back all season as well as us "Stillers" especially when we MEET. If the steelers do not get to the SB, I WANT YOU GUYS TO REPRESENT THE AFC. You have too many weapons in all phases of the game. Just remember what I said before about Flacco or Slacco though....I have always been suspect of his play ( even though I would take him in the top 12 QB's in this league. If he did not have an offense and defense like you have, I would bet Flacco would be in the bottom third of the QB's.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1347896838' post='1156269']
Rice was only running for big yardage because they were afraid of our passing game. As soon as our passing game stunk Ray Rice barely got any yards on the carries he did have. If you want to make the entire O about Ray Rice, he's not going get nearly the YPC he's been getting and the offense is going to stall just as bad.
[/quote]I disagree. You have to use the run to set up the pass and vice versa. Ray Rice can and should be used more often to keep the defense honest. Play action can't be used until he gets going. Passes down field should set up big runs. Rice is as consistent as they come at running back. No need to force passes when the other team has a problem stopping the run.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='ckgeisl' timestamp='1347897159' post='1156280']
I agree 100% on this. Now to be honest, I LOVED that "younse" lost, I KNOW its only a little bump in the road. Next week, I will take you over the Patriots, especially that Hernandez is out for 6-8 weeks now on the Patriots. My whole point about your team is when Flacco or Slacco" is going to show up. Why did Slacco not audible or check down or change plays that were passing to running? I just hope you can stay healthy and get the unhealthy players back all season as well as us "Stillers" especially when we MEET. If the steelers do not get to the SB, I WANT YOU GUYS TO REPRESENT THE AFC. You have too many weapons in all phases of the game. Just remember what I said before about Flacco or Slacco though....I have always been suspect of his play ( even though I would take him in the top 12 QB's in this league. If he did not have an offense and defense like you have, I would bet Flacco would be in the bottom third of the QB's.
[/quote]

Love them or hate them we are most similar to the Steelers.

[Ravens4Real]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1347896720' post='1156263']
The entire loss stems from the ineptitude of the passing game, which itself stems from the replacement refs not willing to call holding or PI for most of the second half. Completing a pass was impossible. That forced the D back onto the field after what seemed like endless 3-and-outs. The D got tired and guys were left open. Overall the D didn't have that bad of a game until they started really getting gassed. We could've blitzed more which sure would've helped, because most of Philly's big passing plays came when Vick had too much time. But the D still did enough to win the game (and so did the offense, technically, with the second TD to Jacoby).
[/quote]

I do not agree with the statement that the D did not have a bad game. They gave up over 500 YARDS!! Thank god they stepped up and created those three turnovers in the redzone or else the Ravens would have been blown out of the game. Through two game in the season, the Ravens D is ranked like 28th or something like that in yards allowed. That is a god awful stat that needs to be addressed. I know you guys will say that yards allowed isnt the key stat and that points are. But next week if Brady is in the redzone three times, I dont think he will be gift wrapping TO's for us.