I thought we were doing no hudle, also whats with the play calling in the 2nd half

[PSG_Mud]

First half was great, the Ravens did something to end the over predictability of Ravens playcalling. It seems to me that being predictable is never a good thing in sports, so I had high hopes they would stick to it.

But, why on earth was the play calling run run pass every time we got a new set of downs in the 2nd half. Abandoning the no huddle.

It was absurdly obvious, that the defense was basically in goal line disguises.

Perhaps someone explain it to me why this it was a good idea?

[bmorefan80]

I'm not sure what game you were watching, but the Ravens didn't run it that much in the 2nd half. Though, I do wish Ray would've gotten the ball alot more than he did. He was only averaging 6.2 yards/carry on 16 attempts...

The Ravens know they need to feed the ball to Rice 20+ time a game. He is still one of the most dangerous weapons in the NFL.

[PolishRifle]

[quote name='PSG_Mud' timestamp='1347861229' post='1155822']
First half was great, the Ravens did something to end the over predictability of Ravens playcalling. It seems to me that being predictable is never a good thing in sports, so I had high hopes they would stick to it.

But, why on earth was the play calling run run pass every time we got a new set of downs in the 2nd half. Abandoning the no huddle.

It was absurdly obvious, that the defense was basically in goal line disguises.

Perhaps someone explain it to me why this it was a good idea?
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I loved how we managed to set up run plays with the passing game. It worked great in the first half and there was no good reason to change anything. We had them on the ropes.

[UMDan]

[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1347863646' post='1155846']
I loved how we managed to set up run plays with the passing game. It worked great in the first half and there was no good reason to change anything. We had them on the ropes.
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I agree, but I think they figured our offense out and made adjustments on their defense. It was difficult to find open guys in the second half, and Flacco wasn't exactly throwing accurately and going through all of the progressions (perhaps because he was playing hurt). Still, that doesn't explain why Rice didn't get the ball until our third possession in the second half.

[flaccopoe]

I agree with the sentiments expressed in this topic. Stick to no-huddle to prevent the d from subbing and don't make stupid play calls!

[omar586]

Not running rice was a mistake . He was breaking big runs on every touch.

[reediddy]

Multiple 3rd and short situations squandered by us trying to pass for a first down. RR needs 25-30 touches a game

[NaveSenrag]

We gave up on the no-huddle in the second half, and it showed. Rice dropped from nearly 10 yards per carry to 2, we couldn't tire out their defense, and when we did they just subbed in new guys (at one point they put in an entirely new line. They knew exactly who to cover, and with whom to cover. I mean, triple coverage on Pitta? They were prepared to handle us, and we weren't prepared to handle them. We locked down the running game, and Vick torched our secondary. They locked down our running game and our passing game.

[RavensWin09]

there is no reason for him to just give up on no huddle in the 2nd half. if you couldn't pass to set up the run, then switch to run to set up the pass, then switch back when they're lured to the run. anyone can take cam's job. he deserves all the blame in the world. there is no reason this offense shouldn't be top 10. Have Oz and Steve even watched the playcalling the last 5 years??

[A Fish Called Yanda]

With Philly announcing that they were going to sub defenders, even when we were running no huddle, abandoning it during the 2nd half is probably what cost us the game.

Run a play, then hurry up and give the ball to RR27, or run a passing play and dump it off to him. We should have been able to exploit their subbing the same way we did in the first half, yet for some reason we changed the gameplan and ended up with a L.

[RavensWin09]

cam just keeps giving oz and steve a reason to doubt him and yet why has he been here all this time? why are they willing to give up our good coordinators but hold on forever with the bad ones? please i hope there is a perfect coordinator waiting to picked up next year.

[jus'_crAzy]

[quote name='RavensWin09' timestamp='1347890332' post='1156049']
cam just keeps giving oz and steve a reason to doubt him and yet why has he been here all this time? why are they willing to give up our good coordinators but hold on forever with the bad ones? please i hope there is a perfect coordinator waiting to picked up next year.
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Because we keep winning in spite of him. You don't think Mr. Bisciotti hears what we say about Cam Cameron? Hell, Harbs even addressed the criticism of Cam in last week's presser!

They know what we say about him, but as long as we put up wins, they're going to pass it off as a reaction to a loss (which is true in some cases). And then they're gonna hide behind that saying,

"Winning cures everything."

Cam's not going anywhere.

[RavensWin09]

[quote name='jus'_crAzy' timestamp='1347890990' post='1156064']
Because we keep winning in spite of him. You don't think Mr. Bisciotti hears what we say about Cam Cameron? Hell, Harbs even addressed the criticism of Cam in last week's presser!

They know what we say about him, but as long as we put up wins, they're going to pass it off as a reaction to a loss (which is true in some cases). And then they're gonna hide behind that saying,

"Winning cures everything."

Cam's not going anywhere.
[/quote]

winning isn't everything. i doubt they're content with just making the playoffs and having early exits from there b/c someone on the staff is holding the team back every game when if we gets out of the way, we can have week 1 types of games every week. if you underperform, you underperform. the steelers win a lot but where is bruce arians now? he lasted 5 years and this is cams 5th year. he is gone next year.

[jus'_crAzy]

[quote name='RavensWin09' timestamp='1347892427' post='1156105']
winning isn't everything. i doubt they're content with just making the playoffs and having early exits from there b/c someone on the staff is holding the team back every game when if we gets out of the way, we can have week 1 types of games every week. if you underperform, you underperform. the steelers win a lot but where is bruce arians now? he lasted 5 years and this is cams 5th year. he is gone next year.
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You can't dispute what's already been said by the front office. It's not me saying those things. You can look up all the pressers that Mr. Bisciotti, Ozzie, and Harbs has done. Those are their quotes.

And through all that, they keep saying that we're going to win a bunch of Super Bowls. That doesn't sound like a front office that's about to fire their OC. Especially since they re-upped his contract this past offseason.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1347870406' post='1155856']
Multiple 3rd and short situations squandered by us trying to pass for a first down. RR needs 25-30 touches a game
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He doesn't need to get a prerequisite number of touches per game. With the way the Eagles game was flowing, he definitely deserved more touches on the ground though.

[callahan09]

[quote name='omar586' timestamp='1347866691' post='1155854']
Not running rice was a mistake . He was breaking big runs on every touch.
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They shut us down in the second half.

10 carries for 92 yards in the first half. 9.20 yards per carry.
11 carries for 19 yards in the second half. 1.73 yards per carry.

[hawkprey]

I don't know what the point of the no-huddle would've been in the second half. Usually you run it to tire out the defense, but the third quarter alone took at least an hour and fifteen minutes because the refs couldn't figure out what to do.

[Twistidfunk]

Every time we lose a tight game we ALWAYS wonder why Rice wasn't running more? Our recipe for success revolves around this man. Use it. The Ravens need to stop trying to be something they are not.

I really wanted Flacco to turn a corner this year and he seemingly did but after yesterday, it is clear what he is. A good but inconsistent QB. He can go out and look spectacular then completely crap the bed a week later. It is maddening.

I know the line collapsed at times but that happens to every team. Flacco was making some bad decisions with the ball - FACT. Throwing into double coverages and trying to force the ball on a lot of passes.

Some were just plain bad passes like the ones to Pitta and Rice- our last two plays.

With that said, that call on Jones for our TD called back was atrocious. One of the worst calls I have seen in a long long time.

With that said, we are still better off with Joe than probably 20 other qb's in the league

[reediddy]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1347895022' post='1156200']
He doesn't need to get a prerequisite number of touches per game. With the way the Eagles game was flowing, he definitely deserved more touches on the ground though.
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Maybe "need" is the wrong word, but how about "deserve." A player of his caliber deserves that many touches at the least

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1347904615' post='1156505']
Maybe "need" is the wrong word, but how about "deserve." A player of his caliber deserves that many touches at the least
[/quote]

I still disagree. Not every game is going to dictate him touching the ball that much, as we saw against Cincy.

[omar586]

i guess we're only a one half team then, play one solid half , and go home for the rest.

[big hits and ball hawks]

I don't get this. I missed the majority of the second half, but I did listen to it and I've heard and read enough to know that it wasn't pretty. I don't understand why we would abandon what was working. I know Joe got hurt but that makes incorporating the run more important. I think so anyway. I don't understand why we do this. My gut is telling me to point towards Cam on this. i just can't wrap my head around it being Joe's decision to abandon the no huddle. Did we even do one play action play? You know, like the PA we were torching the Bengals with last Monday night. Also, if Cam took control over than why doesn't Joe just rebel, like on the 3rd and shorts. I don't understand why he doesn't just audible. I guess, maybe he thought he had something like a good match up. I don't know. I kind of wish Caldwell was on the sidelines instead of in the booth.

[DeathPunch]

They stop doing the no huddle cause the Eagles Defense shut down the Ravens offense. It wasn't going anywhere

[DeathPunch]

[quote name='omar586' timestamp='1347866691' post='1155854']
Not running rice was a mistake . He was breaking big runs on every touch.
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He had one big run. Other than that he didn't do much. 9 carries for 21 yards After the 1st half.

[moleman]

[font=times new roman, times, serif][size=3][size=4]What are we doing??? We play an unbelievable game against the Bengals with the NO HUDDLE then we head to Philly and leave it in the locker room??? Are you kidding me. With a better defense like the Eagles have we should have NEVER stopped the NO HUDDLE. They had all the time in the world to put in subs and rest. I just don't get it but I think it has something to do with Cam???? He is a lost soul and needs to be replaced. He doesn't like no huddle because Joe gets more say in the plays and he doesn't like it. John needs to step in and get this worked out NOW.[/size][/size][/font]

[font=times new roman, times, serif][size=3][size=4]What a shame to lose a game because we went away from what we do best.[/size][/size][/font]

[font=times new roman, times, serif][size=3][size=4]Stop blaming the Ref's even no they suck! We play our game and we win by 20 or better.[/size][/size][/font]

[font=times new roman, times, serif][size=3][size=4]Sure hope it gets better next week against the Pats or we will look like beginners.[/size][/size][/font]

[reediddy]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1347904791' post='1156509']
I still disagree. Not every game is going to dictate him touching the ball that much, as we saw against Cincy.
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True, but the reason we didn't showcase him in CIN was because our passing game was successful. That wasn't the case against Philly, especially on third and short situations. Not to mention, RR was going for six yards a pop. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but were you OK with the third and 2 pass calls, even though they were consistently ineffective?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1347933064' post='1157166']
True, but the reason we didn't showcase him in CIN was because our passing game was successful. That wasn't the case against Philly, especially on third and short situations. Not to mention, RR was going for six yards a pop. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but were you OK with the third and 2 pass calls, even though they were consistently ineffective?
[/quote]

No. Like I said in a previous response, Rcie should received more carries in the second half. But I'm never going to expect him to touch the ball a certain number of times per game.

[DeathPunch]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1347962502' post='1157502']
No. Like I said in a previous response, Rcie should received more carries in the second half. But I'm never going to expect him to touch the ball a certain number of times per game.
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He had 9 carries in the second half and average less than 2 yars per carry.