Joe Flacco says the integrity of the game was affected by the replacement refs

[ArmyRavensFan]

[quote name='Mr. Purple' timestamp='1347889098' post='1156026']
Agreed, Flacco is a "good" QB, but will never be a "great" QB until he can deliver under pressure. The difference between Flacco and the top 4-5 QB's in the league is that they will deliver in crunch time more times than not and Flacco has been failing more times than succeeding. Until that changes, the Ravens will be stuck in "Groundhog Day". BTW, the refs didn't throw any of those balls in the second half or on the final drive.
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I would hardly say that Flacco fails more times than succeeds. Just look at his record. How many game wining drives has he been a part of? Unfortunately some of those failed but at no fault of his own. And the All of the Top QBs have already lost at least once this season and have had bad games. Since everyone likes stats, let’s put this into perspective. After two weeks:


Brady 3 TDs, 1Int, 553 yards, 94.7 Rating - lost to Cardinals
Flacco 3 TDs, 1int, 531 yards, 91.9 Rating - lost to Eagles
Rodgers 3 TDs, 2ints, 522 yards, 89.9 rating - lost to 49ers
Manning 3 TDs, 3ints, 494 yards, 87 rating - lost to Falcons
Brees 4 TDs, 4ints, 664 yards, 71.6 rating - Lost to Redskins and Panthers

So while Flacco didnt have a great game this week, it happens to the best of them.

[DeathPunch]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1347894587' post='1156184']
Flacco was bad in the second half of the game yesterday. I think that sums it up. We can sit here and complain about the refs all we want. It doesn't change the fact that the Eagles played under the same circumstances and found a way to beat the better team. We lost....We blew a ten point lead, because we decided to air the ball out against solid corners and a good pass rush, instead of playing to our strengths which we all know is the ground and pound. Terrible coaching, and poor execution.
[/quote]

Thank you. Someone who makes sense here. But I don't know if they would of ran the ball any better. Rice averaged less than 2 yars on his 9 carries after the half. But It might have opened up the passing game

Ask the eagles. They know all about abandoning the run when you have the best RB in NFL so you can pass it 50 times a game.

[ratedr]

After watching that joke of a game last night, Flacco is more right than ever. Two huge calls that potentially cost Denver the game.

[Hardbaugh]

I say flacco's poor performance affected the integrity of the game.

He's mediocre and looking at his stats he fits right where he finished up last season. Nothing has changed.
Currently he's 19th in completion pct., 12th in yards and 15th in QB rating (it would be lower if the stat had fumbles added to the formula) Nothing says he's elite but some on here will insist that he is.

Brandon Weedon , a [u]rookie[/u] quarterback making his second start and first start on the road shredded the Bengals this week, Flaccos game against them was nothing special.

He want's to get paid as an elite quarterback, he talks and thinks of himself as "the best quarterback in the NFL" but his play tells everyone otherwise.

Flacco is mediocre just as I've been saying all offseason. Cue up the Cam, injury, no seperation , Ray Rice, offensive line excuses at any time like I knew you all would.

[berad]

[quote name='Hardbaugh' timestamp='1347971310' post='1157551']
I say flacco's poor performance affected the integrity of the game.

He's mediocre and looking at his stats he fits right where he finished up last season. Nothing has changed.
Currently he's 19th in completion pct., 12th in yards and 15th in QB rating (it would be lower if the stat had fumbles added to the formula) Nothing says he's elite but some on here will insist that he is.

Brandon Weedon , a [u]rookie[/u] quarterback making his second start and first start on the road shredded the Bengals this week, Flaccos game against them was nothing special.

He want's to get paid as an elite quarterback, he talks and thinks of himself as "the best quarterback in the NFL" but his play tells everyone otherwise.

Flacco is mediocre just as I've been saying all offseason. Cue up the Cam, injury, no seperation , Ray Rice, offensive line excuses at any time like I knew you all would.
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We're two games into the year. If you wanna throw out stats, the Ravens D is ranked 27th in the league in yards/game, one of the worst against the pass, too.

Drew Brees is the 28th ranked QB, what a scrub

[flynismo]

On top of that, Flacco is outplaying Aaron Rodgers. I guess that means he is mediocre too.
Why do we waste our time responding?

[callahan09]

I think Flacco made a lot of the throws he made, including the interception, almost entirely because he knew that if he threw it, he'd get a pass interference call. But the refs weren't calling it. Flacco has played 50 games with a totally different set of rules than what the rules seemed to be on Sunday. He tried to take advantage of what he'd been conditioned to think the rules were. But these refs had a different idea of the rules, and it hurt us. Any other refs would have been calling PI on, and this is honestly not even a joke, something like 10 or 11 plays from that game. It was that bad. So Flacco threw the ball to get the call, and the call wasn't getting made. Nothing he could do about it. Nobody was open, there was contact and defenders not playing the ball and he was just trying to get the call since that's the best bet for gaining some yards, and they weren't giving him the call either. Put on top of it that our running game was somehow completely shut down to allow only 1.7 yards per carry on 11 carries in the second half (including a QUARTER OF A YARD per carry on 8 carries in the fourth quarter) and it's no wonder we completely died in the second half. Don't blame Flacco. He was completely inhibited by what was going on around him.

[callahan09]

[quote name='Hardbaugh' timestamp='1347971310' post='1157551']
I say flacco's poor performance affected the integrity of the game.

He's mediocre and looking at his stats he fits right where he finished up last season. Nothing has changed.
Currently he's 19th in completion pct., 12th in yards and 15th in QB rating (it would be lower if the stat had fumbles added to the formula) Nothing says he's elite but some on here will insist that he is.

Brandon Weedon , a [u]rookie[/u] quarterback making his second start and first start on the road shredded the Bengals this week, Flaccos game against them was nothing special.

He want's to get paid as an elite quarterback, he talks and thinks of himself as "the best quarterback in the NFL" but his play tells everyone otherwise.

Flacco is mediocre just as I've been saying all offseason. Cue up the Cam, injury, no seperation , Ray Rice, offensive line excuses at any time like I knew you all would.
[/quote]

Mediocre ranking in QB Rating or not, his rating is about the same as Brady's, and better than Peyton's, Brees', and Rodgers'. So if he's right there with, or better than, the established top-4 best QBs in the game, then I say he's still doing something right. And the Eagles D is ranked 4th in yards, 4th in passing yards, 1st in completion percentage allowed, 1st in yards per attempt allowed, 1st in interceptions, 1st in QB Rating allowed, etc. Right now, they are [u][b]by far[/b][/u] the hardest defense in the NFL for a QB to play against, according to the stats. Couple on top of it the terrible officiating, the holding, PI, and illegal contact that their defensive backs got away with all game long, and the awful offensive PI call that took a game winning touchdown away from the Ravens, and its no freakin' wonder Joe Flacco's numbers don't look out of this world against them.

[Hardbaugh]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1347971691' post='1157555']
We're two games into the year. If you wanna throw out stats, the Ravens D is ranked 27th in the league in yards/game, one of the worst against the pass, too.

Drew Brees is the 28th ranked QB, what a scrub
[/quote]

Hi Berad , I enjoy your posts thanks!!

The difference is it's business as usual for Flacco, the two situations you mention are not the norm. However it's possible they both take a step back. Thus far what I see from Flacco is his usual standard which is far from the pedestal he put himself on.

I guess we'll know more with the next few games. He certainly hasn't cleaned up the pocket awarness and the fumbles continue to be a concern.

[callahan09]

[quote name='Hardbaugh' timestamp='1347972478' post='1157563']
Hi Berad , I enjoy your posts thanks!!

The difference is it's business as usual for Flacco, the two situations you mention are not the norm. However it's possible they both take a step back. Thus far what I see from Flacco is his usual standard which is far from the pedestal he put himself on.

I guess we'll know more with the next few games. He certainly hasn't cleaned up the pocket awarness and the fumbles continue to be a concern.
[/quote]

It was one fumble. He was sacked from behind while winding up to throw. Flacco just had some bad luck with that happening. 99 out of 100 times, that results in a fumble, no matter who the quarterback is. He didn't even have 3 seconds to throw. He didn't hold onto the ball too long. He's supposed to trust that his blockers do enough of their damn job to prevent someone from getting a free shot at him FROM BEHIND in fewer than 3 seconds.

[berad]

[quote name='Hardbaugh' timestamp='1347972478' post='1157563']
Hi Berad , I enjoy your posts thanks!!

The difference is it's business as usual for Flacco, the two situations you mention are not the norm. However it's possible they both take a step back. Thus far what I see from Flacco is his usual standard which is far from the pedestal he put himself on.

I guess we'll know more with the next few games. He certainly hasn't cleaned up the pocket awarness and the fumbles continue to be a concern.
[/quote]

Oh, I see. You're willing to 'wait it out' for Brees or the defense, but the book on Flacco is closed after Week 2. Understood.

If I recall, he's only fumbled once.

[BirdWatcher]

So far in this season, Flacco has had 6 really good quarters and 2 bad quarters (when he got hurt). For now I'm going to trust the 6 good and expect more of that.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Hardbaugh' timestamp='1347971310' post='1157551']
I say flacco's poor performance affected the integrity of the game.

He's mediocre and looking at his stats he fits right where he finished up last season. Nothing has changed.
Currently he's 19th in completion pct., 12th in yards and 15th in QB rating (it would be lower if the stat had fumbles added to the formula) Nothing says he's elite but some on here will insist that he is.

Brandon Weedon , a [u]rookie[/u] quarterback making his second start and first start on the road shredded the Bengals this week, Flaccos game against them was nothing special.

He want's to get paid as an elite quarterback, he talks and thinks of himself as "the best quarterback in the NFL" but his play tells everyone otherwise.

Flacco is mediocre just as I've been saying all offseason. Cue up the Cam, injury, no seperation , Ray Rice, offensive line excuses at any time like I knew you all would.
[/quote]

Do you just hit paste whenever you're about to say something? Its the same crap every time. Find me someone on here that calls Joe elite. You hang your hat on this asinine, made up stuff and its ridiculous. Oh yeah, as stated above by others, what does this mean about Brady, Brees, Rogers and Manning thus far into the season?

[Militant X 1]

threads gone wild!

~Mili

[Gordo52]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1347974652' post='1157593']
Do you just hit paste whenever you're about to say something? Its the same crap every time. Find me someone on here that calls Joe elite. You hang your hat on this asinine, made up stuff and its ridiculous. Oh yeah, as stated above by others, what does this mean about Brady, Brees, Rogers and Manning thus far into the season?
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His logic is that they normally do good, and Flacco normally does bad? He expects them to turn it around but not Joe for whatever reason. (I guess he just wants to be that guy. I really have a hard time telling if he's trolling or not). Let him keep believing that, in a year or two he's gonna feel dumb or most likely backtrack. Some people put all their judgement into stats 2 weeks in. (Joes aren't even bad? lol) I don't knowww.....

[Alexir]

The refs in our game were terrible. The refs last night on MNF were even more so.

These owners should cough up some loot to get the "Official" Officials back. Their corners got away with a lot in that game against our WRs and the Jacoby push off would of never been called because that wasn't a push off..

[Hardbaugh]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1347973600' post='1157575']
Oh, I see. You're willing to 'wait it out' for Brees or the defense, but the book on Flacco is closed after Week 2. Understood.

If I recall, he's only fumbled once.
[/quote]

Actually I was speaking about all three. If there's a difference Bree's and the Ravens defense have been elite for years and Flacco is hoping to get there.

Agreed he only fumbled once so far but more of the same from what I see. IIRC Flacco was second in the league in quarterback fumbles last season and has been right up there with the leaders in that statistic the prior years before that.

[atljbo]

Cant lie... The Refs was horrible yesterday... They called 2 phantom PI (Broncos and Falcons) .... They gave the Broncos 6 extra yards on a PI call ....


It was not good.... But let me say this.... The league needs to talk to John Fox... Dude was out of control... He is the one who kept stopping the game in the 1st quarter.

[berad]

[quote name='Hardbaugh' timestamp='1347976406' post='1157606']
Actually I was speaking about all three. If there's a difference Bree's and the Ravens defense have been elite for years and Flacco is hoping to get there.

Agreed he only fumbled once so far but more of the same from what I see. IIRC Flacco was second in the league in quarterback fumbles last season and has been right up there with the leaders in that statistic the prior years before that.
[/quote]

Those previous years have no bearing on this one. So far, the Ravens defense and Drew Brees have struggled - Joe Flacco has played relatively well, definitely better [i](again, relatively) [/i]than the other two. Yet he's lambasted and others - playing much worse - get the benefit of the doubt. I'm just making that distinction clear.

[DeathPunch]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1347971969' post='1157560']
I think Flacco made a lot of the throws he made, including the interception, almost entirely because he knew that if he threw it, he'd get a pass interference call. But the refs weren't calling it. Flacco has played 50 games with a totally different set of rules than what the rules seemed to be on Sunday. He tried to take advantage of what he'd been conditioned to think the rules were. But these refs had a different idea of the rules, and it hurt us. Any other refs would have been calling PI on, and this is honestly not even a joke, something like 10 or 11 plays from that game. It was that bad. So Flacco threw the ball to get the call, and the call wasn't getting made. Nothing he could do about it. Nobody was open, there was contact and defenders not playing the ball and he was just trying to get the call since that's the best bet for gaining some yards, and they weren't giving him the call either. Put on top of it that our running game was somehow completely shut down to allow only 1.7 yards per carry on 11 carries in the second half (including a QUARTER OF A YARD per carry on 8 carries in the fourth quarter) and it's no wonder we completely died in the second half. Don't blame Flacco. He was completely inhibited by what was going on around him.[/quote]


I never see someone make so many excuses for his team. Could it possibly be that Flacco was rattled in the pocket and lost his compsure. Could it be that the Eagles simply played good defense? Nah I'll stick with the excuses and sour grapes

[ratedr]

[quote name='atljbo' timestamp='1347976413' post='1157607']
Cant lie... The Refs was horrible yesterday... They called 2 phantom PI (Broncos and Falcons) .... They gave the Broncos 6 extra yards on a PI call ....


It was not good.... But let me say this.... The league needs to talk to John Fox... Dude was out of control... He is the one who kept stopping the game in the 1st quarter.
[/quote]I don't blame him, that phantom PI and the false fumble recovery (should have been Denver's ball) potentially swung the game.

[DeathPunch]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1347979262' post='1157654']
I don't blame him, that phantom PI and the false fumble recovery (should have been Denver's ball) potentially swung the game.
[/quote]

I didn't notice. But you do notice how Peyton didn't cry about the refs, nor did the broncos team. Nor did they complain that they were getting bullied as the reasons they lost. Nope. Peyton Manning too responbility for the INTs he through the put the team in a hole.

[SideStep77]

Uhhh.....[url="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/20220992"]http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/20220992[/url]

Didn't they make one ref sit because he was a Saints Fan? Well what is this then?

[Gordo52]

[quote name='SideStep77' timestamp='1347980749' post='1157674']
Uhhh.....[url="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/20220992"]http://www.cbssports...otball/20220992[/url]

Didn't they make one ref sit because he was a Saints Fan? Well what is this then?
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Wow. Maybe that ref called offensive interference against us in the event of hoping McCoy has a chance to run? Lol. In all seriousness that is shameful. We need the OG refs back quick.

[berad]

[quote name='SideStep77' timestamp='1347980749' post='1157674']
Uhhh.....[url="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/20220992"]http://www.cbssports...otball/20220992[/url]

Didn't they make one ref sit because he was a Saints Fan? Well what is this then?
[/quote]

Wow. NFL needs to look into that. If McCoy was being truthful, that's a mess.

[BirdWatcher]

Wow! This could get ugly.

[darklight1216]

If that's true, Flacco is definetly right about the integrity aspect.

[UMDan]

I had to laugh when I read Hardbaugh's post insinuating that Weeden played better against the Bengals Defense than Flacco did.

[atljbo]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1347979262' post='1157654']
I don't blame him, that phantom PI and the false fumble recovery (should have been Denver's ball) potentially swung the game.
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Samuel had an phantom PI called on him also tho..... Watching the game again on DVR... IDK what to think about the fumble... Watching it mutiple times.. Spoon did seem to have the ball at first but the lineman did take it in the pile... As a falcon fan im glad we got it but im also trying to be objective also.


Aslo the Falcons wasnt the only team getting breaks.. I point out a PI.... Also them spotting the Broncos 6 yards on that BeyBey TD drive.


Let me say this tho.... I blame Coach Fox for most of this and why the game took so long in the first quarter... Please watch the game again.. Dude was going hard on the refs after every play in the 1st quarter... They clearly had 12 men on the field but John Fox argued like 10 mins with the refs about that saying they didnt... I think he shook the replacement refs how hard he went at them

[flynismo]

Its hard to draw anything concrete from McCoy's comments.

Even if we assume the worst, its not like McCoy got any questionable calls in his favor, thus affecting the outcome of the game.
However, maybe his opponent was starting Flacco in that FF game lol...(well, kinda joking...you never know with these stooges)