Dean Pees has to go

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Markus92' timestamp='1347858630' post='1155783']
He calls the plays!!!!! what are you smoking?
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Really..get a clue. The defense had a bad game. Losing BP hurt a lot. We were getting to Vick and giving him fits. 4 turnovers!
The middle of our defense was gashed because we were missing a key player. When was the last time a TE caught 150 yards against us? They had some big plays that had nothing to do with Pees play-calling...like letting Maclin run free in the EZ or that pass that Jackson caught on the sidelines an inch out of Jimmy's reach. Its pathetic to suggest having a bad game means the DC should be replaced.

[HaX]

we kept philly to 24 after a few turnovers
i'm more worried about our offense atm than our defense

[UMDan]

[quote name='HaX' timestamp='1347860216' post='1155807']
we kept philly to 24 after a few turnovers
i'm more worried about our offense atm than our defense
[/quote]

Eagles have a great defense, and a formidable offense. In terms of next week, the defense really needs to change it up and get to the QB more often. I think the offense should be able to hold their own against an only slightly improved Patriot defense at home.

[GermanRavensFan]

The thing that is alarming is that we didn't generate a pass rush, although their starting o-line was out of the game.
I mean, they played with their 3rd center and 3rd LT. Reid said that if another one got hurt, a DL wouldve come in to play.
Ngata cant do it all by himself.

[ravensfan160]

I think it is fair to question Pees in the sense that we seemed to have no gameplan to stop their TE. We continued to leave him WIDE OPEN. The guy had 157 yards and barely broke a sweat against us.

Now we get the Patriots. At least they don't like to use TE's (snicker)

[darklight1216]

[quote name='GermanRavensFan' timestamp='1347882775' post='1155937']
The thing that is alarming is that we didn't generate a pass rush, although their starting o-line was out of the game.
I mean, they played with their 3rd center and 3rd LT. Reid said that if another one got hurt, a DL wouldve come in to play.
Ngata cant do it all by himself.
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Yeah that's pretty bad, but it's not as if the Ravens had their best front 7 going up against them. However it's a bit concerning to think about what might happen when they face an o-line that's actually good.

[Guest RBates]

I would like to add that was the worst defensive scheme I have seen in the Harbaugh era. Wide open receivers? There is no excuse!!!!

Making adjustments------fail

Overall horrible.

[redrum52]

Let.e first say people are only satisfied with week one cause the offense had handled business. If not for a Reed pick 6 I think they give the ball on us. That pick 6 put them in a position where they basically had to pass and we could rush. Can I ask why the hell we never seem to bump when we have huge corners? Maybe the d will be gelling I. A few weeks but need to get it together. I also say let Jimmy start make it trial by fire. Cary Williams almost always seems late, burned or like he's grabbing jersey. Jimmy is our future. Actually as I type I realize why they keep Cary where he is. He can't cover a slot wrs and move him to left corner and he's taking on #1s.
Back on course, the defense I guess isn't doing a terrible job points wise but still needs to tighten up. Eventually giving up these yards is going to get them embarrassed. You add a bad day on d with Cam calling plays and the possibility of a healed David Reed returning kicks and who knows what could happen. Speaking of, why is he still here?

Oh yea... Consadine sucks.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1347883173' post='1155943']
I think it is fair to question Pees in the sense that we seemed to have no gameplan to stop their TE. We continued to leave him WIDE OPEN. [b]The guy had 157 yards and barely broke a sweat against us.[/b]

Now we get the Patriots. At least they don't like to use TE's (snicker)
[/quote]Not really, it just seemed like he wasn't sweating. Pollard knocked all the fluids out of his body.

[Radinho84]

Oh my god!

[JO_75]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1347832644' post='1154425']
This should be a fun thread. I'll get it started....

Why weren't you whining last week?

Also, if it weren't for Reed trying to mug Vick instead of dropping back into coverage (Reed's fault, not Pees), Maclin doesn't get a walk in TD and the score / outcome of game is very different then. Would this thread still exist in that scenario?
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Exactly, we have a lot of hypocritical fans on here, it's all good when the Ravens win but yet they are ready to fire everyone when we lose ONE GAME!

I'll be honest, I'm tempted to close half of these over reaction threads.

[callahan09]

Ranking the Ravens defense against itself from past seasons, through the first 2 games of a season (remember there have been 17 Ravens' teams from 1996 to 2012, so 17th means the worst)... In parentheses is our stat for 2012 followed by our franchise average over the 16 previous seasons):

Yards Allowed: 17th (808 / 552)
(Second most was 1997, with 750 allowed)

Yards Per Carry: 16th (5.30 / 3.98)

Rush TDs: 17th (3 / 0.6)
(First time we gave up more than 1 in the first 2 games since 1999; First time we've given up more than 2)

Completion %: 15th (65.2% / 57.4%)

Pass Yards: 13th (550 / 396)

Points Allowed: 10th (37 / 35.2)

Sacks: 4th [TIE] (6 / 4.9)

Sack Yards: 3rd [TIE] (42 / 32.4)

Pass TDs: 3rd [TIE] (1 / 2.3)

Takeaways: 3rd [TIE] (6 / 3.8)

So from what I can tell, you have to conclude that, against past versions of ourselves, we are the worst we've ever been against the run, we are OK against the pass (bad completion percentage, but decent yards per attempt allowed, and good at keeping passing TDs from happening), overall we give up the most yards we've ever given up, but we're still average in points allowed due to being one of the best defenses we've ever had at sacks and takeaways.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1347883173' post='1155943']
I think it is fair to question Pees in the sense that we seemed to have no gameplan to stop their TE. We continued to leave him WIDE OPEN. The guy had 157 yards and barely broke a sweat against us.

Now we get the Patriots. At least they don't like to use TE's (snicker)
[/quote]
Since you cant seem to put 2 and 2 together i'll do it for you. Losing BP to injury is why our defense looked lost when it came to covering TEs.

[ryananth]

What a ridiculous thread. Pees needs to go? Why?Two reasons the defense struggled-1. Pollard got hurt and Ihedigbo wasn't quite ready and/or fast enough to cover Celek. 2. We are really weak at OLB with Suggs hurt, JJ gone to San Diego and the slow maturation of Kruger. None of the back-ups could set the edge. Even thought it was nice to see Upshaw flying around even if he was a little wild at times.Funny that if Cameron and Flacco get the Ravens in FG range and Tucker nails the game winner none of this would come up. Have faith and try not to forget what Pees did with a lot less talent at New England.

Cam should be the focus. Hopefully Caldwell is waiting in the wings to take over. I predict that this week Cam focuses on Rice and so will Belicheck. Hopefully, we'll keep the pass attack going and not be hard-headed and try to ram Rice down their throats this week. That gameplan just won't work.

[PurpleCityLights]

So everybody's going act like we didn't have a secondary problems the last 3years. What covered
it up was the pass rush (Suggs), now that he's out we see our D for what it is.......

[PurpleCityLights]

BTW should have never let Cory Redding go, those 1or 2 sack games of his really helped out.

[callahan09]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1347903598' post='1156479']
Ranking the Ravens defense against itself from past seasons, through the first 2 games of a season (remember there have been 17 Ravens' teams from 1996 to 2012, so 17th means the worst)... In parentheses is our stat for 2012 followed by our franchise average over the 16 previous seasons):

Yards Allowed: 17th (808 / 552)
(Second most was 1997, with 750 allowed)

Yards Per Carry: 16th (5.30 / 3.98)

Rush TDs: 17th (3 / 0.6)
(First time we gave up more than 1 in the first 2 games since 1999; First time we've given up more than 2)

Completion %: 15th (65.2% / 57.4%)

Pass Yards: 13th (550 / 396)

Points Allowed: 10th (37 / 35.2)

Sacks: 4th [TIE] (6 / 4.9)

Sack Yards: 3rd [TIE] (42 / 32.4)

Pass TDs: 3rd [TIE] (1 / 2.3)

Takeaways: 3rd [TIE] (6 / 3.8)

So from what I can tell, you have to conclude that, against past versions of ourselves, we are the worst we've ever been against the run, we are OK against the pass (bad completion percentage, but decent yards per attempt allowed, and good at keeping passing TDs from happening), overall we give up the most yards we've ever given up, but we're still average in points allowed due to being one of the best defenses we've ever had at sacks and takeaways.
[/quote]

So I do all that research and post factual numbers, and all I get is a negative vote? I don't see why I should get negative votes just for putting some statistics out there for perspective sake. It's relevant and they're facts. Not sure what's so negative about posting that.

[redrum52]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1347910276' post='1156621']


So I do all that research and post factual numbers, and all I get is a negative vote? I don't see why I should get negative votes just for putting some statistics out there for perspective sake. It's relevant and they're facts. Not sure what's so negative about posting that.
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People are irrational now cause of the loss. Ignore it. Itslike when you ask a question people don't agree with. Like why would Flacco throw I to triple coverage with the Boldin on the outside. Yes he was covered but the guy was behind him and Boldin is good at shielding the ball.

[Bltravens]

This thread is asinine beyond belief in its core statement.


I will say this, I didn't like how Pees called the game yesterday. He called it scared, plain and simple. There was next to no pressure packages in the first half at all outside of the zone blitz where Pollard had his sack, and a good chunk into the 3rd quarter. I didn't see the 4th quarter but I don't imagine it was much better. I was disappointed to see how scared he was to bring pressure or to even let the front 4 rush.

Also, play some damn press man. That's why we went out and got JSmith and started Cary Williams, we wanted big physical press corners. PLAY SOME DAMN PRESS MAN.

[big hits and ball hawks]

I'm not happy with the play of the defense yesterday, among other things, but it is way too early for this kind of thread. I believe the D will bounce back for the Patriots. I didn't like how much zone we were playing. Williams and Smith are praised for their size, strength, and physical play. So, we should play more man to man, if that's what they excel at. I get that Jackson and Maclin are fast, so I understand the cushion, but we should mix it up. Hopefully, more man to man is in the future. Also, someone should tell Cary to never expect help over top because when we have a blown coverage that seems to be the leading cause. That play changed the game, if Maclin is covered then it probably isn't completed, or if he's covered and Vick took off then I don't believe he would've got the first down. There were plenty of players around him, Reed didn't need to come in like that. So, it's a mix between play calling and execution, also the Pollard injury, much like on offense. It's a game to learn from.

[XxSizzleXx]

I think one of the reasons our defensive playcalling was somewhat vanilla is because Pollard got hurt near the start of the game and Ihedigbo played most of the game.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1347905642' post='1156533']
Since you cant seem to put 2 and 2 together i'll do it for you. Losing BP to injury is why our defense looked lost when it came to covering TEs.
[/quote]
Thats a very snotty remark. Like Pollard is the only player on the team that knows somebody needs to cover the opposing team's TE.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1347912254' post='1156669']
I think one of the reasons our defensive playcalling was somewhat vanilla is because Pollard got hurt near the start of the game and Ihedigbo played most of the game.
[/quote]
Yes, yes, yes!

Celek contributed like 157 yards of offense. That's a huge chunk. Why? He was mostly undefended. Callahan, you provided some good stats and research. Can you research and provide the stats on Celek's production with and without Pollard? I have a feeling he got all or almost all of those yards after Pollard left. I know he had one completion on Pollard but he was hit hard. Granted, Pollard played very little so of course most of the yards will be gained with him out but I want to know how many snaps Pollard played, how many completions Celek had and then compare.

The problem is there is no excuse for Celek's completions. It was really sad, actually. Yes, Dean should have adjusted and removed the other SS from the game if he was getting burned so much if that was his assignment.

One thing I want to reveal to people is that I saw Jameel McClain playing OLB one some snaps yesterday. I thought our run defense was good. I liked it. We held 100 yards! That's great! Vick didn't break too many runs on us either. Where we were bad is our TE coverage and the CB play. I don't expect that to happen again.

[admartian]

As much as I've been disappointed with the D so far, I think he should at least get this year to prove himself. Maybe next year too (unless it gets really bad).

It's not like Cam...

[gabefergy]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1347922937' post='1156931']

Thats a very snotty remark. Like Pollard is the only player on the team that knows somebody needs to cover the opposing team's TE.
[/quote]
You act they didnt know the TE was on the field. Pollard's replacement is a guy who has been on the team for 2 weeks and has never been a good player in coverage. Im not saying every completion is on Ihedigbo, but to blame the coaching is just flat stupid.

[BMOREHAWAII]

Fourth D coordinator in 4 years. Two games into the season and we have to get rid of him...
I'd say you're jumping the gun a LITTLE

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1347832644' post='1154425']
This should be a fun thread. I'll get it started....

Why weren't you whining last week?

Also, if it weren't for Reed trying to mug Vick instead of dropping back into coverage (Reed's fault, not Pees), Maclin doesn't get a walk in TD and the score / outcome of game is very different then. Would this thread still exist in that scenario?
[/quote]

Ah someone else who realizes it wasn't Cary's fault!

Good on ya!


Chuck Pagano had Terrell Suggs and Jarrett Johnson with a healthy Bernard Pollard.

Pees had Pollard for a quarter and had McClellan and Upshaw. Not the same.

[theFRANCHISE]

If the Ravens fired everyone that fans wanted gone, there literally wouldn't be a team and they wouldn't be perennial playoff contenders.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1347940402' post='1157385']
Ah someone else who realizes it wasn't Cary's fault!

Good on ya!


Chuck Pagano had Terrell Suggs and Jarrett Johnson with a healthy Bernard Pollard.

Pees had Pollard for a quarter and had McClellan and Upshaw. Not the same.
[/quote]

If Cary backpedaling a few steps with his eyes in the backfield the entire time, then abruptly breaking off his coverage, wasn't obvious enough that Reed was supposed to take the deep route, the announcers saying "Oh hey, crazy Eddie was supposed to provide support on that bomb to the wide open Maclin" should have clarified the situation, so I'm not sure why people are pinning that on Cary.

But, ya know, DeSean burned Cary pretty bad yesterday. in fact, when Cary woke up yesterday morning he was white, now look at him!

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1347926256' post='1156997']
Fourth D coordinator in 4 years. Two games into the season and we have to get rid of him...
I'd say you're jumping the gun a LITTLE
[/quote]
Was going to say the same thing. Change the title to Cam Camereon, then we will talk