MERGED: Post-game thoughts about the Eagles game.....

[Purple Punishment]

We got screwed on that PI call but they had 4 turnovers. It should have never come to that

[The Raven]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1347840197' post='1154961']

It was a tightly contested game, and your defense definitely clamped down in the 2nd half. But your logic doesn't make much sense. We didn't stop the run enough? You averaged 3.1 yards per rush. Michael Vick averages 7.1 YPC over his career, while LeSean McCoy averages 4.8. Neither went over the 3.4 mark. This was far better than the performance of your run defense, which gave up 5.3 yards per attempt. To put things in perspective, in comparison to last year's full season stats, our average would've tied for 2nd best. Yours? Would've been dead last, by a country mile.

Yes, Vick did manage to pass over 300 yards, but you do realize that there's no true correlation between yards and turnovers, right? He was still 1/2 in his TD/INT ratio as a passer, meaning he was still mistake prone while racking up yards. The hurdle was an awesome play on Brent Celek's part, who had a terrific game. But you could just as well ask him how it felt to have the ball bounce off of his fingertips, while being tightly covered by the so-called, "old age," Ray Lewis, into the outstretched arms of Ed Reed for INT. Your defense is much improved since 2011. But had it not been for the beyond questionable offensive PI call on Jacoby Jones, your defensive would've been responsible for the game-icing TD. They deserve the credit for coming up in the clutch at the end, but all in all, neither defense was flawless as a whole.
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Ouch. Please apply ice to the burned area!

Well, they did still win. Just not in the dominating fashion most of them assume.

[Purple Punishment]

To add to that, why didn't we try a run on that 3rd and 2?

[RavensWin09]

[quote name='Medications' timestamp='1347841769' post='1155065']
This. Whenever the Eagles had 3rd and long or 3rd and anything I had no hope that we'd stop them. We've been bad at stopping 3rd downs for a while, especially against the steelers, 3rd and 18 and they convert no problem. I don't understand it.

I had the same lack of hope when we had 3rd down. This is going to be the same roller coaster don't-know-what-you're-getting-every-week year that it always is.
[/quote]

exactly, i was watching the steelers game today and the steelers had a 3rd and 30 and i still wasn't content on the jets stopping them! turns out they were close. they got a 25 yard gain by brown. i don't get it either.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='teejay410' timestamp='1347842226' post='1155087']
A dirty secret about Ray Rice that no one shares because we're all supposed to think he's amazing; take away his typical 50 yd run a game, he might average 3 yds a carry. If that. Ray Rice is the equivalent of a home run hitter who might hit 44 home runs a year but strikes out 200 times. So, the offensive coordinator constantly puts flacco in 3rd and long because he calls two running plays to ray rice hoping to get that home run, then Flacco has to suffer through whatever vanilla play call cameron calls on 3rd and forever.
[/quote]

Nope....both games thus far he has been consistently gashing teams and ripping off run after run. This is just incorrect and good for a laugh. Thanks!

[The Raven]

[quote name='teejay410' timestamp='1347842226' post='1155087']
A dirty secret about Ray Rice that no one shares because we're all supposed to think he's amazing; take away his typical 50 yd run a game, he might average 3 yds a carry. If that. Ray Rice is the equivalent of a home run hitter who might hit 44 home runs a year but strikes out 200 times. So, the offensive coordinator constantly puts flacco in 3rd and long because he calls two running plays to ray rice hoping to get that home run, then Flacco has to suffer through whatever vanilla play call cameron calls on 3rd and forever.
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Another dirty secret is that's how it works for most, if not all running backs.

[teejay410]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1347843519' post='1155158']
Another dirty secret is that's how it works for most, if not all running backs.
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But Rice isn't supposed to be like all running backs. He's a top 5 guy. I'm not saying abandon Rice, but everyone shouting to give ray back the ball is too reactionary. Yeah he should have it on 3rd and 2, but the issue in the second half was abandoning the no huddle attack and Cam's vanilla play book.

[teejay410]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1347843376' post='1155152']
Nope....both games thus far he has been consistently gashing teams and ripping off run after run. This is just incorrect and good for a laugh. Thanks!
[/quote]

Look at the AFC championship game. Or the Divisional round against houston. How about san diego? Jets? He never broke his patented 50 yd run in those games, and he had a sufficient number of touches. His stats were below average. You live and die by Ray Rice running the ball on first and second down. He's good to break one big run a game, but when he doesn't you're stuck with a lot of 3rd and longs. Cam's playbook doesn't have a lot of creative calls for that. It's about being smart with Rice. You have the best fullback in the league and a top 5 RB, of course run on 3 and 2. But how about go back to that no huddle so you're not in that position on the first series of every drive?

[UMDan]

I think I covered a lot of the things that bothered me in other threads, but I wanted to mention here... was the commentary bothering anyone else? Gumbel especially seemed very pro-Eagles, and this is a CBS broadcast (AFC network). I know it's not really important in the scheme of things but it got a little annoying so I muted the television. It reminded me of when we played Atlanta on Thursday night football and the commentators could not stop talking about how great Matty Ice was.

[Warren2621]

<personal insult removed>

Rice is consistent. If you go by his fantasy numbers last year, he doesnt strike out. His mediocre games he puts up 140 total yards. Rice is efficient. He has been getting limited carries and doing the most with them. We have been using him wisely too when we have the defense shaken. Today in the second half philly was keyed on Rice and jamming our WRs with top notch corners. We should have seen more power formations today in the second half and I bet Rice would have had himself an even better game.

[Tank 92]

Our offense is still a work in progress, After the game yesterday, I started thinking about a pre game interview with Pitta. He mentioned that they still needed a lot of work on communication, especially non verbal communication. I think this explains the lack of the up tempo, no huddle scheme and little or no shot gun. We're just not ready to implement this type of game away from home(crowd noise). Should come together as the season moves on.

[PolishRifle]

[quote name='Medications' timestamp='1347839616' post='1154917']
Man this place is ridiculous after a loss
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To be fair, it's also ridiculous after a win, but at least, if we win nobody will start demanding to change EVERYTHING.

I still love the no-huddle and still believe we will have success running it, I certainly hope we will see more of it in the upcomming games, because somehow we didn't run it all that much against the Eagles. Weird.
Anyway, I consider this more as growing pains of an offense, that is trying to become more potent. We lost by just ONE point. Could've gone either way and we only played well for one half of the game. No reason to panic.


[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1347874173' post='1155872']
Our offense is still a work in progress, After the game yesterday, I started thinking about a pre game interview with Pitta. He mentioned that they still needed a lot of work on communication, especially non verbal communication. I think this explains the lack of the up tempo, no huddle scheme and little or no shot gun. We're just not ready to implement this type of game away from home(crowd noise). Should come together as the season moves on.
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Well, we will play against KC soon. That's pretty much the toughest test our offense can face. Not the team. The Chiefs suck. But their fans are pretty hard to handle, when you run no-huddle.

[TXRaven]

Not happy at all. We made far too many errors, in almost all phases of the game except Justin Tucker. He was solid. With that being said we should have won this game the officials were god awful. Taking the TD away from Jones in Offensive PI was rediculous. Defensive holding and PI's against the Eagles that were never called in big situations.. And I am sorry in my opinion the roughing the passer on Reed in the first half was BS. He was already in the air when the ball was thrown. Tried to pull up but the man has got to come down somewhere... and it was not helmet to helmet. Jackson made some huge plays for the Eagles but after he threw a punch he should have been ejected. Refs are going to get someone hurt.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='teejay410' timestamp='1347844380' post='1155194']


Look at the AFC championship game. Or the Divisional round against houston. How about san diego? Jets? He never broke his patented 50 yd run in those games, and he had a sufficient number of touches. His stats were below average. You live and die by Ray Rice running the ball on first and second down. He's good to break one big run a game, but when he doesn't you're stuck with a lot of 3rd and longs. Cam's playbook doesn't have a lot of creative calls for that. It's about being smart with Rice. You have the best fullback in the league and a top 5 RB, of course run on 3 and 2. But how about go back to that no huddle so you're not in that position on the first series of every drive?
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Of course when you take a sample size of about 5 games, anything can ring true. But, in this case, you're wrong. Every other game where he's gone off, he's gone off. This is a pretty dumb little theory here.

[VAravens88]

So after yesterday's game, I figure you guys can probably use some help with the whole "converting on third and short" thing, since throughout the game we went 0-6 on 3rd or 4th and less than 2 yards to convert. So I'm posting here some Tech Support for Cam Cameron. Hopefully he sees it!

So here's a few ideas to help you figure this out!

- Don't go shotgun formation every time! Shotgun formation is basically just a big sign that say "hey guys, we're passing!" so the defense knows what's coming, and can adjust accordingly. Try going under center, and maybe even bringing on Vonta Leach to give you more options.

- Run Play Action! I'm not suggesting that we try to do something as revolutionary as RUN THE BALL in short yardage situations with the best running back in the league, but you could try at least faking it to him.

- Actually Run the ball! Okay, so I am suggesting it. Let me throw a stat out there. Midway through the 3rd quarter, after the second 3rd and short situation of the 2nd half, where had again gone shotgun, incompletion; punt - to that point in the game, Ray Rice had averaged 9.5 yards per carry. We only needed less than a quarter of that to pick up a first down. I'm just saying.

Speaking of "i'm just saying" situations, Cam, what happened to "smart touches" for Ray Rice? since when is "take Vonta out of the game and try to run it up the middle on first and second down" smart touches? Can you point out a single play in the 4th quarter that you can honestly qualify as a "smart touch" for Ray Rice?

I hope this helps you fix your problem; if it doesn't i'm sure Mr. Caldwell down the hall can help! Cheers!

[ChrisC]

I just have a few questions that i havent seen asked yet.

What in the world did C.Williams have to say to Jackson all day long? Other than yep you burned me again, what was left to say. Both weeks the opposing QB's have gone after him with huge success. Maybe this guy needs some help...maybe alot of help

and why cant pitta seem to catch a ball without falling down? and did he just step out of bounds untouched after a catch? i dont remember what the game clock was but I remember him catching and then going out of bounds on his own.


ah found it on yahoo. for 2012 he has 13 catches and 17 Yards after the catch for a 1.3 YAC.....wow

[jus'_crAzy]

It's not because of the refs. It's not because of Cam Cameron's offense, or Dean Pees defense. It's not because of Joe, Ray, Ed, or whomever.

No.

The real reason we lost is because on Saturday, the Gameday page on the Baltimore Ravens Mobile App (powered by YinzCam) told me we were going to be wearing [b]WHITE[/b] jerseys.

So here I am, along with all of my Sunday football buddies, lounging around my friend's man-cave looking like a bunch of idiots in our [b]WHITE[/b] away jerseys, expecting that our beloved Ravens would be wearing the same. We turn on the game, and what do we find?

[b]Purple[/b].



So already I knew... I knew something bad was going to happen.

Now I realize that since I checked, the jersey color on the Gameday page has [i][b]conveniently[/b][/i] been changed to purple. You all could be thinking, "Oh, it's [b]jus'_crAzy[/b] actin crazy like his name suggests," and you'd be right most of the time. But not this time. For, in fact, it was not only I who saw the error! Every other person in the room saw the exact same thing on Saturday.

I demand an explanation, BR.com!!! You guys know how superstitious we get!!!

[RavensWin09]

[quote name='ChrisC' timestamp='1347886868' post='1155984']
I just have a few questions that i havent seen asked yet.

What in the world did C.Williams have to say to Jackson all day long? Other than yep you burned me again, what was left to say. Both weeks the opposing QB's have gone after him with huge success. Maybe this guy needs some help...maybe alot of help

[b]and why cant pitta seem to catch a ball without falling down? and did he just step out of bounds untouched after a catch? i dont remember what the game clock was but I remember him catching and then going out of bounds on his own.[/b]
[/quote]

college scouts now have something else to look out for in TE's: do they have balance? LOL. you're right he does fall a lot

[ravens88]

i agree all focus should be on this [b]WHO[/b] dropped the ball on this one??

[FreckleNate]

Flacco was clearly a bit off and Rice still barely utilized which make no sense to me. When Ray Rive doesn't have atleast 100 yards we can't win games and Rice had 99 yards rushing and we fall a point short... I beleive that is what the loss correlates to.

[757RavensFan]

I don't know if it was mentioned, but Harbs throwing the red flag on the incomplete pass by Vick played huge. No reason to challenge that when they were already called for a holding penalty. We lost a time out on that. We would have had all 3 TO's going into the last drive of the game. We can run on 3rd and short during that 2 min drill w/ 3 TOs at your disposal.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1347888618' post='1156012']
I don't know if it was mentioned, but Harbs throwing the red flag on the incomplete pass by Vick played huge. No reason to challenge that when they were already called for a holding penalty. We lost a time out on that. We would have had all 3 TO's going into the last drive of the game. We can run on 3rd and short during that 2 min drill w/ 3 TOs at your disposal.
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While I agree that was a dumb challenge, it had no affect on the game whatsoever. We had 2 mintutes and 2 timeouts and we call pass plays on 3rd and 2 and then again on 4th and 2? With a QB that apparently was dealing with rib issues? We didnt need a third TO, it was just poor play calling and very poor execution!

[jus'_crAzy]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1347888618' post='1156012']
I don't know if it was mentioned, but Harbs throwing the red flag on the incomplete pass by Vick played huge. No reason to challenge that when they were already called for a holding penalty. We lost a time out on that. We would have had all 3 TO's going into the last drive of the game. We can run on 3rd and short during that 2 min drill w/ 3 TOs at your disposal.
[/quote]
[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1347888760' post='1156016']
While I agree that was a dumb challenge, it had no affect on the game whatsoever. We had 2 mintutes and 2 timeouts and we call pass plays on 3rd and 2 and then again on 4th and 2? With a QB that apparently was dealing with rib issues? We didnt need a third TO, it was just poor play calling and very poor execution!
[/quote]

But you guys know why he challenged it, right?

If you don't, it's because if Vick was sacked, it would've been 3rd and Long by declining the penalty that made it 2nd and Long.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1347888618' post='1156012']
I don't know if it was mentioned, but Harbs throwing the red flag on the incomplete pass by Vick played huge. No reason to challenge that when they were already called for a holding penalty. We lost a time out on that. We would have had all 3 TO's going into the last drive of the game. We can run on 3rd and short during that 2 min drill w/ 3 TOs at your disposal.
[/quote]
Completely agree. I yelled at my TV when he threw the challenge flag. Even if it had been upheld, we would have moved them back about 5 yards - it would have been a negligible gain.

If we had our 3 TO's at the end of the game, we either would have been able to slow down on our last drive (and not get to 4th down in record time), or we would have been able to stop the clock when Philly got the ball back, and had Flacco attempt to throw a desperation bomb to Torrey.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='jus'_crAzy' timestamp='1347889985' post='1156041']
But you guys know why he challenged it, right?

If you don't, it's because if Vick was sacked, it would've been 3rd and Long by declining the penalty that made it 2nd and Long.
[/quote]

I understand why, but we all saw on replay that his knee wasn't down. Why the guys in the booth didn't see the same thing is beyond me.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1347888760' post='1156016']
While I agree that was a dumb challenge, it had no affect on the game whatsoever. We had 2 mintutes and 2 timeouts and we call pass plays on 3rd and 2 and then again on 4th and 2? With a QB that apparently was dealing with rib issues? We didnt need a third TO, it was just poor play calling and very poor execution!
[/quote]

I have to disagree, I think the amount of TOs has a direct impact on play calling. JMHO though.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='ChrisC' timestamp='1347886868' post='1155984']
I just have a few questions that i havent seen asked yet.

What in the world did C.Williams have to say to Jackson all day long? Other than yep you burned me again, what was left to say. Both weeks the opposing QB's have gone after him with huge success. Maybe this guy needs some help...maybe alot of help

and why cant pitta seem to catch a ball without falling down? and did he just step out of bounds untouched after a catch? i dont remember what the game clock was but I remember him catching and then going out of bounds on his own.


ah found it on yahoo. for 2012 he has 13 catches and 17 Yards after the catch for a 1.3 YAC.....wow
[/quote]

I commented on that in the game thread. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who noticed. At first I couldn't figure out if it was the result of less than ideal passes or what, but now I think it looks like Mike Green's condition. (Aka: Face plant syndrome)
[quote name='jus'_crAzy' timestamp='1347887081' post='1155989']
It's not because of the refs. It's not because of Cam Cameron's offense, or Dean Pees defense. It's not because of Joe, Ray, Ed, or whomever.

No.

The real reason we lost is because on Saturday, the Gameday page on the Baltimore Ravens Mobile App (powered by YinzCam) told me we were going to be wearing [b]WHITE[/b] jerseys.

So here I am, along with all of my Sunday football buddies, lounging around my friend's man-cave looking like a bunch of idiots in our [b]WHITE[/b] away jerseys, expecting that our beloved Ravens would be wearing the same. We turn on the game, and what do we find?

[b]Purple[/b].



So already I knew... I knew something bad was going to happen.

Now I realize that since I checked, the jersey color on the Gameday page has [i][b]conveniently[/b][/i] been changed to purple. You all could be thinking, "Oh, it's [b]jus'_crAzy[/b] actin crazy like his name suggests," and you'd be right most of the time. But not this time. For, in fact, it was not only I who saw the error! Every other person in the room saw the exact same thing on Saturday.

I demand an explanation, BR.com!!! You guys know how superstitious we get!!!
[/quote]
That is indeed a serious issue. I, however do not own any white jerseys and was therefore able to match the purple that the team wore, but I understand your concern.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='VAravens88' timestamp='1347884599' post='1155961']
So after yesterday's game, I figure you guys can probably use some help with the whole "converting on third and short" thing, since throughout the game we went 0-6 on 3rd or 4th and less than 2 yards to convert. So I'm posting here some Tech Support for Cam Cameron. Hopefully he sees it!

So here's a few ideas to help you figure this out!

- Don't go shotgun formation every time! Shotgun formation is basically just a big sign that say "hey guys, we're passing!" so the defense knows what's coming, and can adjust accordingly. Try going under center, and maybe even bringing on Vonta Leach to give you more options.

- Run Play Action! I'm not suggesting that we try to do something as revolutionary as RUN THE BALL in short yardage situations with the best running back in the league, but you could try at least faking it to him.

- Actually Run the ball! Okay, so I am suggesting it. Let me throw a stat out there. Midway through the 3rd quarter, after the second 3rd and short situation of the 2nd half, where had again gone shotgun, incompletion; punt - to that point in the game, Ray Rice had averaged 9.5 yards per carry. We only needed less than a quarter of that to pick up a first down. I'm just saying.

Speaking of "i'm just saying" situations, Cam, what happened to "smart touches" for Ray Rice? since when is "take Vonta out of the game and try to run it up the middle on first and second down" smart touches? Can you point out a single play in the 4th quarter that you can honestly qualify as a "smart touch" for Ray Rice?

I hope this helps you fix your problem; if it doesn't i'm sure Mr. Caldwell down the hall can help! Cheers!
[/quote]

Agreed. I can't even remember a good play action pass yesterday. It looked like they never did it! I saw Joe stick his arm out towards Ray, but they were like a yard apart. The third and short management was something nightmares are made up of. It's going to be a long time before I can get those images out of my brain. LOL

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Static' timestamp='1347829121' post='1153969']
We need brand new cordinators. All of them.
[/quote]Wow great point. The coordinators are awful. Dean Pees is worst than Mattison.

[Guest RBates]

Why does Pitta seem to go out of bounds after catches when he should be trying to plow a db over. Its a game of inches people, we need all we can get.