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The Refs.....(Post Eagles Game)

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I have been thinking about this alot guys would you mind if players and coaches did not play this sunday and instead just put tables on the field and had lunch for the 1pm games to prove a point , its safer that then playing with these refs?
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[quote name='TheRavenouseD2008' timestamp='1348078735' post='1158774']I have been thinking about this alot guys would you mind if players and coaches did not play this sunday and instead just put tables on the field and had lunch for the 1pm games to prove a point , its safer that then playing with these refs?[/quote]

That's pretty much my exact thought that I had on Monday while watching MNF. I responded to a buddy's facebook post with

[quote]I thought they made some pretty bad mistakes last week but this week is just getting out of hand. Players/Coaches should refuse to play next week until they fix it. The games so far shouldn't even count.[/quote]
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If you watch a game where you can see a missbehavior in the reffs judgement almost always in favor to the local team and that game is in Mexico (because I am mexican) you can say after every "human mistake" that the game was "fixed", for some people this is all about money, for us Ravens is our colors, our team but for some people is all about money and the raven´s owner has to start thinking in this possibility if he wants to avoid another "stolen" game.

And now NFL says that we have to respect them, but they don´t deserve it, they haven´t earned it. If the league wants to earn our respect, they have to repeat the game or to analize the whole game and give the winning final result "in the table". If this wasn´t enough, we are going to see them in the courts (NFL threatens to fine the people who is in the side of the field, you can menace to sue them to steal the game). If you do nothing legal about it, this would happen again
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[quote name='Lawbrum' timestamp='1348068766' post='1158675']
Its a cliche when everyone says dont blame the refs and there isnt one play that won or lost the game. While there may instances where that is true, it simply is not the case here. I can agree our team didnt play great, but that all didnt matter one bit when Flacco did hit Jacoby Jones for the TD in the 4th quarter.
[/quote] and the worst in this "flag" is that the ref only threw the blue "plastic" and not the "yellow handkerchief", just to mark in which yard Jones catched the ball
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I'm not one to blame the refs, but that PI on Jones was horrible...
That Monday night game may have been the worst game I have ever seen. They took 20 minutes to figure out a penalty, and still got it wrong. They threw a flag for defensive holding, and penalized 10 yards!?! A player on the Falcons punched an official in the face, and no ejection.
The way I see it is there are 3 problems:
1 the game is too fast for these replacements.
2 the refs are intimidated by the players.
3 the refs don't fully understand the rules.
Goodell... Get the thing done. Give them what they want or your going to start costing teams playoff spots.
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[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1348009914' post='1158242']
Lol, yeah. I'd like to hear of a company giving part-time employees benefits like that. My full-time (or previous full-time job, anyway) discontinued their pension last year.

Not to get too off-topic. The bottom-line is they need to go. We need the old refs back. Also, the players need to adapt to the calls the refs are making.
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You see, I do not know if they have to go. While I agree, they are horrendous, the NFL is trying to make sweeping changes to the Refs, and its not all about money. They want full time refs, (something the fans have been wanting for years) The old refs do not want to give up their fill time work to be full time refs. The NFL wants to use the down time for the these full time refs to study and learn the rules better. I also heard about a refs college, to train new refs, so the refs are not all blind geezers. If they cave to the refs union, then they will get none of these changes. I know that the new guys are horrible but the old refs made a lot of crappy calls too, not as many and not as stupid, but just as irritating. I want full time refs myself, and using these scabs may be the only way to get them.
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1348019554' post='1158362']


I agree. Jimmy would be a great fit in these cover two zones where all he has to do is press the hell out of the receiver and then cover the flat area. Is it just me, or has his tackling been a little suspect lately? I thought he was a reliable tackler? Maybe I'm just imagining things.
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No you're not imagining things, he took some bad angles both weeks so far. Not to make excuses for him, but he's not used to zone, maybe that is a factor?
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1348349167' post='1160869']
No you're not imagining things, he took some bad angles both weeks so far. Not to make excuses for him, but he's not used to zone, maybe that is a factor?
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I don't know. Tackling doesn't change the technique for tackling. Either way you have to break down, take good angles, and wrap up. He doesn't break down or wrap up. He just dives and then he either misses the tackle or bounces off.

Perhaps zone coverage puts him in a position where it is of more importance to take good angles, but the process of tackling remains the same.
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1348360277' post='1160945']


I don't know. Tackling doesn't change the technique for tackling. Either way you have to break down, take good angles, and wrap up. He doesn't break down or wrap up. He just dives and then he either misses the tackle or bounces off.

Perhaps zone coverage puts him in a position where it is of more importance to take good angles, but the process of tackling remains the same.
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Part of the problem is he probably sees Ed (on occasion) fly in and make his patented darting leg tackle. Webb has also perfected it as well. Not everyone can tackle like that. Smith, in my opinion, is a HUGE liability on the field at this point. Doesnt mean I dont like him and dont think he grow into what we drafted, so calm down everyone. Just dont like what I see currently.
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1348360526' post='1160947']
Part of the problem is he probably sees Ed (on occasion) fly in and make his patented darting leg tackle. Webb has also perfected it as well. Not everyone can tackle like that. Smith, in my opinion, is a HUGE liability on the field at this point. Doesnt mean I dont like him and dont think he grow into what we drafted, so calm down everyone. Just dont like what I see currently.
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I haven't been wowed, but I haven't been overly disappointed. His poor tackling his alarming, but that's my only real gripe with him.
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1348360744' post='1160950']


I haven't been wowed, but I haven't been overly disappointed. His poor tackling his alarming, but that's my only real gripe with him.
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Eh, only gripe? I get ya, but his not being able to turn his head around is bothersome! Great position, just cant snap that head around in time to locate the ball and make a play on it. Luckily, these two defects that bother me are coachable and can easily be built upon!
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1348361370' post='1160955']
Eh, only gripe? I get ya, but his not being able to turn his head around is bothersome! Great position, just cant snap that head around in time to locate the ball and make a play on it. Luckily, these two defects that bother me are coachable and can easily be built upon!
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Well, that's the biggest gripe. Despite the fact that he can't flip his hips or turn his head he still does a decent job. If he was a more reliable tackler I would be more willing to look past the other flaws. Was he a good tackling corner in college?
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1348361861' post='1160961']


Well, that's the biggest gripe. Despite the fact that he can't flip his hips or turn his head he still does a decent job. If he was a more reliable tackler I would be more willing to look past the other flaws. Was he a good tackling corner in college?
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Not sure if that was a rhetorical question at the end or not, but yes, he was. He WILL be in the NFL. Just needs some time and more coaching.
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1348362541' post='1160964']
Not sure if that was a rhetorical question at the end or not, but yes, he was. He WILL be in the NFL. Just needs some time and more coaching.
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Ah, okay. I'm patient. I am definitely content with where he is as a player right now. No problems!
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[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1348361861' post='1160961']


Well, that's the biggest gripe. Despite the fact that he can't flip his hips or turn his head he still does a decent job. If he was a more reliable tackler I would be more willing to look past the other flaws. Was he a good tackling corner in college?
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Outstanding tackler in college, although a select few would disagree. Put up 140 tackles the last two years (70 each season), and considering that he only gave up SIX completions in that same time span, its not like his numbers were jacked up by giving up plays to the guys he was covering
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Comsidering how little time Jimmy has gotten, we cant expect him to step right in and shut everyone down. I'll admit that despite that, I still thought je would be playing a little better than he currently is, but dont worry, this kid is a sleeping giant
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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1348366104' post='1160994']
Comsidering how little time Jimmy has gotten, we cant expect him to step right in and shut everyone down. I'll admit that despite that, I still thought je would be playing a little better than he currently is, but dont worry, this kid is a sleeping giant
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True, time that he got time. Bench Cary! Now
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[quote name='RavensWin09' timestamp='1348461951' post='1164569']
the refs couldn't have been worse today! thank god they didn't cost us the game twice in a row.
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agree, they called a good game in the ravens favor this time
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These refs stink but don't act like the regulars were perfect. They messed up many calls as well and we would complain about them.

IDC how much Pats fans cry. They got home cooking last year in a playoff game with real refs, and their whole dynasty started off a fumble that never was.
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[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1348488276' post='1165046']
agree, they called a good game in the ravens favor this time
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Not even close. Lloyd pushed off Williams for a first down, Mankins should have been flagged at least twice for his after the whistle altercations. Let's not pretend like Baltimore got away with one here. The game was sloppy from the get go and each team was flagged for obvious infractions, some ticky tack ones and all together got away with some plays that should have been flagged. You're kidding yourself if you think that was "in our favour".
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[quote name='Moderator 2' timestamp='1348547243' post='1166552']
Just wow at the MNF game.
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As BAD, i mean really bad as officiating was in our game vs. eagles. This one might top the cake. The league must MUST do something now. Not only that, the referees will need to be in top shape and prove to me they can do better than these replacement referees.

Maybe this will be a chance to fix this issue, or not..
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Here is the laundry[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000065279/article/replacement-officials-errors-spark-controversy-in-week-3?module=HP11_headline_stack"] list from Sunday[/url]
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Massive failure, owners' worst nightmare. Without a fast and reasonable review system that acknowledges the subjectivity involved in many calls, experienced NFL refs have very high value. The NFL has an archaic, ridiculous review system that they are incredibly slow to improve.
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I think fans need to bite the bullet one Sunday and just not watch the games. If the ratings take a hit, it will end. I'll do it if it means we get the regular refs back,
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[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1348548368' post='1166601']
I think fans need to bite the bullet one Sunday and just not watch the games. If the ratings take a hit, it will end. I'll do it if it means we get the regular refs back,
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I think by now NFL will want to talk to the referee unions bad. But with all the new demands union might be making now, how can they keep up? This is going to be a lose-lose situation because this deal hasnt been made early. I see a similarity of teachers union soon. No firing, no discipline, no weeding out bad referees. That is what im worried about. But if all referee wants is a higher pay with rules to weed out bad referees then i am for it.
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It would take every normal NFL watcher to not watch the games on consecutive weekends for the NFL to even take notice, to be honest. Steve Young said it best: it's an inelastic market right now, and the NFL holds the reigns. They're the only product of their type around, and they're the best. They make the money and in the case of the referees, they hold the keys. When the players held out, the NFL HAD to come to an agreement because without the players, they had nothing. In the case of the refs, not so much. It's gonna take the owners [profanity deleted]ing their heads off for the NFL to do anything.
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Wow........adam schefter and espn sportcenter just verified that the replay guys are actually all official referees! (not replacement referees). So the real referee did have a part on messing up.

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