Should Suggs Have Been "Punished" For Getting Hurt?

[BmoreFaithful]

I tried to hold off on posting my feelings about a big issue with the Ravens and our players but just have to ask a question that might ease my mind.

With the Ravens being a very solid defensive team and have what happened to us when Suggs got hurt playing off of the field. Why is there not any reprecussions for a player who does get hurt off the field.

To me Suggs is a HUGE part of what makes us a winning defense and to lose him like that we had to actually adapt to replace him. What he did was irresponsible hurt the team to say the least. I do not see why he was not fined ? Like i said, not only did he hurt himself he hurt the team, the Front Office, The Fans and could possibly have changed the outcome of our season due to his mistake.

There should just be more of a punishment than just losing his paycheck for games he misses. If you make an example of the teams start i promise everyone who follows will think twice (McKinnie) before putting themselves in spot that hurts the team.

Am i wrong to feel this way ? All i am saying is that Suggs injury has a bad domino effect on the team, FO and fans as well. Please do not thrash me or just call names. I am just mad that one of our BEST players is down for most of the year when we finally have an offense that can be a killer. Now the offense will probably have to try to outscore most teams as we have zero pass rush instead of the Defense being solid and letting the new look offense blossom at its own pace.

[jazz1988]

[quote name='BmoreFaithful' timestamp='1347718866' post='1151060']
I tried to hold off on posting my feelings about a big issue with the Ravens and our players but just have to ask a question that might ease my mind.

With the Ravens being a very solid defensive team and have what happened to us when Suggs got hurt playing off of the field. Why is there not any reprecussions for a player who does get hurt off the field.

To me Suggs is a HUGE part of what makes us a winning defense and to lose him like that we had to actually adapt to replace him. What he did was irresponsible hurt the team to say the least. I do not see why he was not fined ? Like i said, not only did he hurt himself he hurt the team, the Front Office, The Fans and could possibly have changed the outcome of our season due to his mistake.

There should just be more of a punishment than just losing his paycheck for games he misses. If you make an example of the teams start i promise everyone who follows will think twice (McKinnie) before putting themselves in spot that hurts the team.

Am i wrong to feel this way ? All i am saying is that Suggs injury has a bad domino effect on the team, FO and fans as well. Please do not thrash me or just call names. I am just mad that one of our BEST players is down for most of the year when we finally have an offense that can be a killer. Now the offense will probably have to try to outscore most teams as we have zero pass rush instead of the Defense being solid and letting the new look offense blossom at its own pace.
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you mad at suggs because he was playing basketball/ some conditoning work outs which in the end result in him being injuried? Players get injuried all the time rather that be on the field, in practice , or not in practice and its impossible for any of them to know when they will get injuried. Im not mad at suggs and i think no one else should be also its not like he's coming back in week 16 he suppose to be back atleast by week 7 or week 8.


The ravens had four sacks against the bengels not sure how that equals zero pass rush. Yes the outside linebackers still have alot to work on and they definately are not terrell suggs but give them a break its only week 2.

[codizzle]

So he should get fined for working out?

Oh boy

[flynismo]

With the money these guys make, the possibility of losing said paycheck already provides them with all the motivation they need to stay healthy as possible. Losing that paycheck is a brutal enough punishment.

Really, what good does it do to fine Suggs on top of taking his pay? Nothing good could possibly come out of that.

[Purple Nurple]

When keeping it real goes wrong.

[HoldingCall]

Your feeling may be misdirected! If you punish players for being active off season you are likely to get returning players who age faster and are out of shape when camp begins. If Suggs was injured while doing a dangerous stunt that would be different issue.

[descent into the maelstrom]

I think the front office recognized that not paying him could affect the team more than the money they would save. Paying him made a statement to all of the players that the front office has their backs. Even if he was playing basketball (and I'm pretty sure that's what he was doing), that was an activity to keep himself in shape. Maintaining a high level of physical fitness comes with injury risks. You need not look beyond weekly injury reports from team workouts across the league to see that. If they had not paid him, that would tell the remainder of the team that whatever they do to maintain their off season fitness is done at their own risks. That would be terrible for morale and would likely affect the team in an adverse manner. Not at all what a team that wants to be a contender needs. Smart move (or lack thereof) by the front office, in my opinion.

[BmoreFaithful]

Not fired, fined. I know it is a stupid thing to say but look who gets hurt when something like outside activities are allowed. He hurt himself, the team as a whole and even all the way to the top it could go to hurt the top brass in the office. It was not intentional but it is a big blow no matter how you look at it. Instead of having to adapt to cover Suggs now they can for the most part tee off on our cornerbacks which c'mom smith is still learning, willians is a bleeding mess and gets burned for the most part.
What suggs could do all by himself now takes a lot of planning for 2 guys to try to do and still not get it done. He sealed the edge, he killed most quarterbacks and could actually catch the ball. He is a piece of the puzzle that cannot be replaced.

If he would not have been playing oursife the NFL confines just think what we would have right now friends.

A offense that keeps the defense tired from the pace. A defense that could pressure any quarterback which put the tired defense back on the field but what do we have ?

A new offense that is looking good but with just one injury could be a bleeding wound and joe being on his back a lot. A defense that cannot put pressure on the QB for the most part, none of the guys can do what suggs did as far as sealing the edge. Not to mention that he was a Great run stopper as well. We have Paul K. (sucks), Upshaw (needs a years or so to get into NFL shape) but maybe will be ok. Kindle (is just a loss lets face it).

So instead of letting the new look offense mature slowly it has to carry the team on a very tough schedule while our Defense will limp along .

[BmoreFaithful]

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I think the front office recognized that not paying him could affect the team more than the money they would save. Paying him made a statement to all of the players that the front office has their backs. Even if he was playing basketball (and I'm pretty sure that's what he was doing), that was an activity to keep himself in shape. Maintaining a high level of physical fitness comes with injury risks. You need not look beyond weekly injury reports from team workouts across the league to see that. If they had not paid him, that would tell the remainder of the team that whatever they do to maintain their off season fitness is done at their own risks. That would be terrible for morale and would likely affect the team in an adverse manner. Not at all what a team that wants to be a contender needs. Smart move (or lack thereof) by the front office, in my opinion.
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I know that thats why i posted. I know it is not the best thing to do is fining the players but it is just a shame that we are in the shape we are in. If Suggs would not have gotten hurt we would have that great extra that teams need to account for to go with this new offense which i love. It is a shame that we have to overcome that injury and wish he would have thought first. The domino affect is just huge to me.

[BmoreFaithful]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1347719890' post='1151073']
With the money these guys make, the possibility of losing said paycheck already provides them with all the motivation they need to stay healthy as possible. Losing that paycheck is a brutal enough punishment.

Really, what good does it do to fine Suggs on top of taking his pay? Nothing good could possibly come out of that.
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Thats what i am trying to say, it hurts everyone more then it does just him. The team as a whole was hurt more by his injury and it seems so sad thinking what we could be if he was playing to what we have with him not playing.

[tsizzle95]

lets lock him in a cage all off season, that way he wont have a chance to get hurt..

[BmoreFaithful]

Can you imagine being a coach heading to play Baltimore more at home. Haveing to plan for Suggs, Reed and Lewis on Defense and an Offense that is very fast paced and has a Ray Rice waiting in the backfield. It would be overwhelming.

[HoldingCall]

[quote name='BmoreFaithful' timestamp='1347720886' post='1151089']
I know that thats why i posted. I know it is not the best thing to do is fining the players but it is just a shame that we are in the shape we are in. If Suggs would not have gotten hurt we would have that great extra that teams need to account for to go with this new offense which i love. It is a shame that we have to overcome that injury and wish he would have thought first. The domino affect is just huge to me.
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I'd rather have Suggs but If not for the injury, some other player would not have gotten a chance.

[BmoreFaithful]

[quote name='tsizzle95' timestamp='1347721040' post='1151095']
lets lock him in a cage all off season, that way he wont have a chance to get hurt..
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See, thats what i mean. I do not want him in a cage and do not mind them even playing in the off season i just hate the ill effects it has when they do get hurt.

[Purple Nurple]

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See, thats what i mean. I do not want him in a cage and do not mind them even playing in the off season i just hate the ill effects it has when they do get hurt.
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So then realize its called life and accept it and stop ranting.

[descent into the maelstrom]

[quote name='BmoreFaithful' timestamp='1347720886' post='1151089']
I know that thats why i posted. I know it is not the best thing to do is fining the players but it is just a shame that we are in the shape we are in. If Suggs would not have gotten hurt we would have that great extra that teams need to account for to go with this new offense which i love. It is a shame that we have to overcome that injury and wish he would have thought first. The domino affect is just huge to me.
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I agree that it's a shame that it happened. But, to state the screamingly obvious, it's done and can't be undone. I see more negatives coming from punishing him than not punishing him. Also, I don't see any point in punishing a guy who's almost certainly kicking himself already. I'm just hoping he's close to 100% by playoff time.

[jazz1988]

[quote name='BmoreFaithful' timestamp='1347720886' post='1151089']
I know that thats why i posted. I know it is not the best thing to do is fining the players but it is just a shame that we are in the shape we are in. If Suggs would not have gotten hurt we would have that great extra that teams need to account for to go with this new offense which i love. [b]It is a shame that we have to overcome that injury and wish he would have thought first. The domino affect is just huge to me.[/b]
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Its sucks suggs is out until week 7 but honestly I"m not really concern with it because injuries happen also I have faith that kruger, upshaw, mccellan or even Kindle will step to the plate and do fine. If none of the outside linebackers improve then the ravens can just bring in veteran free agent or trade for one. I think also you are really overacting when you or neither i have seen the ravens defense play in atleast four to six games to come up with the idea that our pass rush will suck bad.

[rlh445]

[quote name='BmoreFaithful' timestamp='1347718866' post='1151060']
Suggs is a bad, BAD man!
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Look, when these type of injuries happen they were going to happen no matter what the guy was doing at the time. Suggs could've been jogging down his street or lifting and swinging his girl around and it would have happened. He did it and his punishment is not being able to play. You KNOW he hates that!

[BloodRaven]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he say the basketball incident was something separate to his achilles injury? like a minor unrelated sprain.

[Malkavian Raven]

[font=times new roman,times,serif][i]1.) He gets hurt.[/i][/font]
[font=times new roman,times,serif][i]2.) He had to have surgery[/i][/font]
[font=times new roman,times,serif][i]3.) He isn't able to play, therefore he's losing money[/i][/font]

[font=times new roman,times,serif][i]Yeah, I think he's been punished plenty already.[/i][/font]

[font=times new roman,times,serif][i]~ Malkavian Raven[/i][/font]
[font=times new roman,times,serif][i]I'm done with this guy. Next![/i][/font]

[Moderator 2]

2 or 3 other players got hurt doing the conditioning drill, one of the Eagles receivers pulled something in practice-- it happens. He was not riding a motorcycle, skiing or skateboarding.
I've popped my ACL getting my leg tangled in a blanket, no I am not even close to an elite athele stuff happens.

[BMORElegacy]

Why would you risk alienating one of your best overall players over a couple of million dollars. It doesn't make sense if you really think about it.

[757RavensFan]

So if he tore a pec while bench pressing during the off season, you would feel the same way? I think not. He was doing something he loves to do. If his Achilles was that weak, it was bound to rupture eventually! Luckily for him, the team, and the fans it happened in April.

[RivenHale]

I don't know if you're trying to troll us or whatever, but if you're serious this is just silly.

[nk02442]

No. It would send a horrible message to the rest of the league. Players will think twice before signing for a team that would throw them under the bus. Suggs has always beena team player and deserves to be taken care of, unless they can show gross negligence. Even still, I dont think he has a history and one mistake is not enough to punish him.

With that being said, I think Suggs is overated. Yes he is our best Rusher and run stopping LB. He just is not consitiant. I dont think the loss of him would be as near a big deal as loosing Ngata or Webb. The problem is the production after suggs drops off a cliff. I dont know if thats the players or the coaches, but its been clear the last few years.

[Blex64]

[quote name='BmoreFaithful' timestamp='1347718866' post='1151060']
I tried to hold off on posting my feelings about a big issue with the Ravens and our players but just have to ask a question that might ease my mind.

With the Ravens being a very solid defensive team and have what happened to us when Suggs got hurt playing off of the field. Why is there not any reprecussions for a player who does get hurt off the field.

To me Suggs is a HUGE part of what makes us a winning defense and to lose him like that we had to actually adapt to replace him. What he did was irresponsible hurt the team to say the least. I do not see why he was not fined ? Like i said, not only did he hurt himself he hurt the team, the Front Office, The Fans and could possibly have changed the outcome of our season due to his mistake.

There should just be more of a punishment than just losing his paycheck for games he misses. If you make an example of the teams start i promise everyone who follows will think twice (McKinnie) before putting themselves in spot that hurts the team.

Am i wrong to feel this way ? All i am saying is that Suggs injury has a bad domino effect on the team, FO and fans as well. Please do not thrash me or just call names. I am just mad that one of our BEST players is down for most of the year when we finally have an offense that can be a killer. Now the offense will probably have to try to outscore most teams as we have zero pass rush instead of the Defense being solid and letting the new look offense blossom at its own pace.
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Assuming Suggs got inured solely playing basketball (which he denies)...still no. The guy is a professional athlete. He's allowed to play basketball, especially if its going to help him show up for training camp in shape. Do you remember a couple years ago when he showed up a bit overweight? Had the worst season of his career? He vowed never to let that happen again and 2 years later was the DPOY. The Castle has basketball courts in it. He's a free man who wasn't recklessly endangering himself. He was just trying to stay in shape and have some fun doing it.

[berad]

The Ravens have b-ball courts in their facilities. If Terrell had hurt himself doing that (which he denies) what right would the Ravens have to fine him?

He did nothing wrong, the Ravens never had any intention of punishing him.

[Tiz]

Yes. I think he should be punished.
The team should punish him the best way I can think of.
Go undefeated til he gets back and after each win say "neener neener neener" and "don't you wish you were out there"

[Malkavian Raven]

[font=times new roman,times,serif][i]If Suggs is punished for playing basketball... then the entire locker room should be punished for playing cornhole.[/i][/font]

[font=times new roman,times,serif][i]~ Malkavian Raven[/i][/font]

[Crabcakes&Football]

[quote name='BmoreFaithful' timestamp='1347718866' post='1151060']
I tried to hold off on posting my feelings about a big issue with the Ravens and our players but just have to ask a question that might ease my mind.

With the Ravens being a very solid defensive team and have what happened to us when Suggs got hurt playing off of the field. Why is there not any reprecussions for a player who does get hurt off the field.

To me Suggs is a HUGE part of what makes us a winning defense and to lose him like that we had to actually adapt to replace him. What he did was irresponsible hurt the team to say the least. I do not see why he was not fined ? Like i said, not only did he hurt himself he hurt the team, the Front Office, The Fans and could possibly have changed the outcome of our season due to his mistake.

There should just be more of a punishment than just losing his paycheck for games he misses. If you make an example of the teams start i promise everyone who follows will think twice (McKinnie) before putting themselves in spot that hurts the team.

Am i wrong to feel this way ? All i am saying is that Suggs injury has a bad domino effect on the team, FO and fans as well. Please do not thrash me or just call names. I am just mad that one of our BEST players is down for most of the year when we finally have an offense that can be a killer. Now the offense will probably have to try to outscore most teams as we have zero pass rush instead of the Defense being solid and letting the new look offense blossom at its own pace.
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Irresponsible?? Lot's of players play basketball or other sports during their free time. I'm just happy he was staying in shape. That year he came in overweight, that was irresponsible. And these injuries can happen at any time whether you are playing basketball, lifting weights, bicycling, any kind of physical activity.