Ravens at Eagles

[1/28/01]

[quote name='pick-ups' timestamp='1347673503' post='1150861']
I guess I should`ve added in Reids play calling but,[b]talent wise the Eagles may be second to none[/b]...
Unfortunately that does`nt always win games
[/quote]

Except at the most crucial and skilled position - QB.

I have always said Vick is a great athlete, but a very, very poor QB.

[jazz1988]

[quote name='pick-ups' timestamp='1347672805' post='1150843']
I just found out that the Ravens have two rookie starters on the O-line if so does that concern any of you posters facing the Eagles D-line.
Not that the Eagles O-line is any better but,the Eagles pass rush is fierce and better than the Ravens and without T-sizzle it just make it more glaring.
I think Flacco has his work cut out for him and if he plays well then he`s come to fruition but,if not then draw plays with Rice is a must.
The Eagles biggest opponet is themselves with this team and talent level so we`ll see what happens come sunday.
With that being said neither teams blowing this game out unless huge mistakes are made and the reason I`m quite confident is that the Ravens possible question marks with the O-line and run defense are in question and those just happen to be the Eagles biggest strengths(if Reid)give McCoy the 25+ carries to keep Vick out of bad decisions and harms way.
Either way both teams will be fine win or lose as its only week 2 and an out of conference game.
Heres to no injuries.
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We dont have two rookie starters on the o-line we only have one

[jaege]

[quote name='pick-ups' timestamp='1347673503' post='1150861']
I guess I should`ve added in Reids play calling but,talent wise the Eagles may be second to none...
Unfortunately that does`nt always win games
[/quote]


Second to none? Really? By my recollection they were 18th or so in the regular season standings last year. That would put them at least second to 17 other teams, right? If talent doesn't win games, what does? Hope? Prayer? Maybe that, since it is the only possible explanation for Tebow.

[flynismo]

[quote name='pick-ups' timestamp='1347672805' post='1150843']
I just found out that the Ravens have two rookie starters on the O-line if so does that concern any of you posters facing the Eagles D-line.
[/quote]

We only have one rookie starting (at RT), and while he looks pretty solid, this line as a whole is a big concern for me.
They will have some rough spots facing Philly's D-line in pass protection. I think they'll be okay in the run game opening holes for Rice though.

[quote name='pick-ups' timestamp='1347672805' post='1150843']
[b]The Eagles biggest opponet is themselves[/b] with this team and talent level so we`ll see what happens come sunday.
[/quote]

If Andy Reid doesn't pull his head out of his arse, you may be right about that.

[Alexir]

[quote name='jazz1988' timestamp='1347675148' post='1150882']
We dont have two rookie starters on the o-line we only have one
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I think TECHNICALLY Harewood is a rookie in the eyes of the NFL because just like how Kindle was eligible for rookie of the year last year, he Ramon has never played in the NFL until last monday.

Unless he played in pre season last year, I don't believe so but I could be wrong.

Either way, they are very young.

[codizzle]

[quote name='pick-ups' timestamp='1347673503' post='1150861']
I guess I should`ve added in Reids play calling but,talent wise the Eagles may be second to none...
Unfortunately that does`nt always win games
[/quote]

U vastly overrate the talent on ur team.

[Blex64]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1347683737' post='1150940']
I think TECHNICALLY Harewood is a rookie in the eyes of the NFL because just like how Kindle was eligible for rookie of the year last year, he Ramon has never played in the NFL until last monday.

Unless he played in pre season last year, I don't believe so but I could be wrong.

Either way, they are very young.
[/quote]

He was on IR, I believe Kindle was on the non-football injury list or something.

Edit:
Yup, listed as being a 3rd year player.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/player/ramonharewood/1037349/profile"]http://www.nfl.com/player/ramonharewood/1037349/profile[/url]

[pick-ups]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1347685768' post='1150961']
U vastly overrate the talent on ur team.
[/quote]I guess everyone that objectively speaks about the Eagles must not know what they`re talking about either because everyone that breaks down the Eagles always mentions how loaded with talent they are.
Whether you like it not but,it is what it is and like I`ve said before just being talented does`nt always lead to wins but,it surely does`nt hurt.

[redrum52]

[quote name='pick-ups' timestamp='1347698246' post='1150986']
I guess everyone that objectively speaks about the Eagles must not know what they`re talking about either because everyone that breaks down the Eagles always mentions how loaded with talent they are.
Whether you like it not but,it is what it is and like I`ve said before just being talented does`nt always lead to wins but,it surely does`nt hurt.
[/quote]

You're qb and wrs are over rated to me. I have no idea who your safeties are and didn't you just cut a 2nd round pick? I'll give you 2/3s of your lb is ok, but one of those players is a rookie who I just feel will be a good player. Your d line is obviously the highlight of your team. Nnamdi seems to have done a face plant since landing in Philly though, but I will give your corners props. We will see what happens Sunday.

Can I ask why we drafted a press coverage corner in Jimmy yet I never see him bumping?

[jaege]

[quote name='pick-ups' timestamp='1347698246' post='1150986']
I guess everyone that objectively speaks about the Eagles must not know what they`re talking about either because everyone that breaks down the Eagles always mentions how loaded with talent they are.
Whether you like it not but,it is what it is and like I`ve said before just being talented does`nt always lead to wins but,it surely does`nt hurt.
[/quote]


[b]Loaded[/b] with talent and [b]second to none[/b] are two vastly different things. And I ask again, if talent does not lead to wins, what does?

[pick-ups]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1347706330' post='1150995']
[b]Loaded[/b] with talent and [b]second to none[/b] are two vastly different things. And I ask again, if talent does not lead to wins, what does?
[/quote]If you take another look at what I posted you would see that I in actuality said their talent"MAY BE"second to none.
It`s better to win ugly than to look impressive losing and I`m pretty sure you can agree with that.

[Tank 92]

This game sets up for RR.

I look for a game plan that shows the wide open, pass happy look from the beginning as a decoy and will include a lot of draws, screens and dump offs to Ray to slow the rush. If Joe can execute and stay unpredictable, Ray will have a HUGE game. When they then key on him, it will open up the rest of the field for the pass and the eagles D won't know what is coming next.

Sounds good, hope it pans out.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='pick-ups' timestamp='1347708662' post='1150999']
If you take another look at what I posted you would see that I in actuality said their talent"MAY BE"second to none.
It`s better to win ugly than to look impressive losing and I`m pretty sure you can agree with that.
[/quote]

And last year they MAY HAVE BEEN the Dream Team. You can say anything you want. Doesnt make it true!

You still have one of the most overpaid and overrated QBs in the league!

[codizzle]

[quote name='pick-ups' timestamp='1347698246' post='1150986']
I guess everyone that objectively speaks about the Eagles must not know what they`re talking about either because everyone that breaks down the Eagles always mentions how loaded with talent they are.
Whether you like it not but,it is what it is and like I`ve said before just being talented does`nt always lead to wins but,it surely does`nt hurt.
[/quote]
I didn't say they aren't talented. I just didn't agree that they are for sure the most talented team. Big difference there..

I dont care how talented they are or how talented people say they are.. If the ravens show up and play their game, Eagles will lose.

Either way I don't really care about this game as much as next week's.

[Alexir]

If Vick plays 4 quarters, I would be shocked. I think Pollard is gonna give him a licking and it's Foles time.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1347712490' post='1151013']
If Vick plays 4 quarters, I would be shocked. I think Pollard is gonna give him a licking and it's Foles time.
[/quote]

Pretty hilarious that half of the Philly fanbase is hoping for this. At least some of them realize paying Vick $100M was about as idiotic as it gets!

[jaege]

[quote name='pick-ups' timestamp='1347708662' post='1150999']
If you take another look at what I posted you would see that I in actuality said their talent"MAY BE"second to none.
It`s better to win ugly than to look impressive losing and I`m pretty sure you can agree with that.
[/quote]


Okay, you said "may be". Still all the anecdotal evidence points to the contrary, that they are NOT second to none. They are, in fact, second to many. At least by last season's stats. This season they have only proven they are (barely) better than the Browns. No "may be"s about it. An ugly win, but just as valid as a pretty one. Winning ugly does mean that you are not talented. Talent is what wins a game, be it ugly or impressive.


I never said that there is no talent on the team. Every team has talent. They are all stocked with pro athletes. I merely suggested, that, based upon all the available evidence, the talent on the Ravens will win against the talent on the Eagles.

[flynismo]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1347713532' post='1151019']
Pretty hilarious that half of the Philly fanbase is hoping for this. At least some of them realize paying Vick $100M was about as idiotic as it gets!
[/quote]

Yeah I saw that as well...I actually like their fan base from what I've seen on their forum. Most of them see things how it really is.

[flynismo]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1347715222' post='1151032']
Okay, you said "may be". Still all the anecdotal evidence points to the contrary, that they are NOT second to none. They are, in fact, second to many. At least by last season's stats. This season they have only proven they are (barely) better than the Browns. No "may be"s about it. An ugly win, but just as valid as a pretty one. Winning ugly does mean that you are not talented. Talent is what wins a game, be it ugly or impressive.


I never said that there is no talent on the team. Every team has talent. They are all stocked with pro athletes. I merely suggested, that, based upon all the available evidence, the talent on the Ravens will win against the talent on the Eagles.
[/quote]

All he is saying is that their roster is stacked with talent, possibly more so than any other team...and he has a valid argument (although I disagree with it).

W - L record doesn't always indicate the talent level of a team. Remember our 9-7 year a couple years ago? I'd say we were much more talent than our record suggested.

[Gordo52]

If only their QB could stay healthy and still play his style of football. Thats impossible though. They would be serious contenders if that was the case.

Vick,Mccoy,maclin,Jackson,Peters,Mathis,Watkins,Celek,Babin,Cole,Cox,Jenkins,Ryans,DMC,Asomough,Coleman.....the talent is definitely there. I'm sure there were a few a forgot, but talent doesn't always translate to wins. I think the Eagles will be better then lasts years 8-8 team, and Vick will do better then he did week 1. But they can't get it done playing in a tough division, with a unrealiable QB.

Foles really might be a better option.

With all that being said, I'm fully confident that the Ravens will get right through the Eagles with little to no problem.

[pick-ups]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1347715222' post='1151032']
Okay, you said "may be". Still all the anecdotal evidence points to the contrary, that they are NOT second to none. They are, in fact, second to many. At least by last season's stats. This season they have only proven they are (barely) better than the Browns. No "may be"s about it. An ugly win, but just as valid as a pretty one. Winning ugly does mean that you are not talented. Talent is what wins a game, be it ugly or impressive.


I never said that there is no talent on the team. Every team has talent. They are all stocked with pro athletes. I merely suggested, that, based upon all the available evidence, the talent on the Ravens will win against the talent on the Eagles.
[/quote]You have your opinion and and I`d expect nothing less from a fan to have confidence that their team will prevail.
A win is a win and thats all that matters so everyone keeps bringing up the Browns well I remember in the 2010 season a very good Pats(6-1) team rolling into Clevland against a poor Browns(2-5) team and getting spanked 34-14.
Same could go for an undefeated Packers team@KC last year(sheet happens)
The bottom line is the Eagles drove the ball 91 yds down the field with just under two minutes and won a road game.
Win or lose theres no need to over react as its only week 2.

[display name]

[quote name='pick-ups' timestamp='1347716869' post='1151041']
You have your opinion and and I`d expect nothing less from a fan to have confidence that their team will prevail.
A win is a win and thats all that matters so everyone keeps bringing up the Browns well I remember in the 2010 season a very good Pats(6-1) team rolling into Clevland against a poor Browns(2-5) team and getting spanked 34-14.
Same could go for an undefeated Packers team@KC last year(sheet happens)
The bottom line is the Eagles drove the ball 91 yds down the field with just under two minutes and won a road game.
Win or lose theres no need to over react as its only week 2.
[/quote]
OK congrats. You have faith that your team can win, which is fine, but you very much overestimate the talent of your team and underestimate that of our team.
Last time I checked, we went 12-4 last year and almost went to the Super Bowl, while all your free agent signings could only get you to 8-8..
We'll see what happens. Go Ravens!

[JEEPercreepermd]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1347711417' post='1151010']
You still have one of the most overpaid and overrated QBs in the league!
[/quote]
That is even a bit of an understatement. Imo, he is THE most overpaid and overrated. He got that big deal for what he did over 6 or 7 games in 2010, and he's been trending downward since then.

He has a CAREER 54% completion pct. His most productive two years were 2006 and 2010 when he threw for 20 and 21 tds respectively. I will say this though. Since he's been playing in Andy Reid's offense, he has broken 3,000 yds passing for the first two times in his career when he threw for about 3,000 even in 2010 and 3300 last year..and his completion pct has been up near 60%.

Here's where I just can't understand where the Eagles decided to pay him so much. If you look back at his career statistics as a QUARTERBACK...this means forget all of the rushing yds. If you focus just on his passing numbers, what would make you believe that he is suddenly after all of these years going to blossom into a quarterback who can win enough games with his arm to has sustained success in philly's system and to keep pace with the rest of the league? Stats also don't count the intangibles, like reading a defense and making sound decisions based on what the defense and defensive personell of the field are showing you. Vick is a quick,fast, nimble runner and that's about it. Hell, why not just line Shady Mcoy at QB and have some real success if you want that?

[display name]

My gameplan:
[b]Defense:[/b]
* Assuming Maclin and Desean play, I say we stuff 6 in the box. Make it so McCoy and Vick have a hard time scrambling. Let's hope Kruger and McPhee can cover the edges against Vick to minimize the success he has running.
* If DeSean plays, I would put Webb on him. Then I'd have Reed and Cary take care of Maclin, assuming he plays. Pollard and a linebacker (maybe Ray) should be able to handle Celek.
[b]Offense:[/b]
I doubt Rice will go far on the edges with Trent Cole and Babin, and so running up the middle would be a better option. Look for Torrey to try to get open deep against Rogers-Cromarti, which I hope he can do. Ndamdi will probably shut Boldin down unfortunetely.

[goeagles5039]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1347713532' post='1151019']
Pretty hilarious that half of the Philly fanbase is hoping for this. At least some of them realize paying Vick $100M was about as idiotic as it gets!
[/quote]

Actually it was $80 million technically but yes he is over paid I think. He is still good enough to win though.

[ravensdan]

[quote name='pick-ups' timestamp='1347673503' post='1150861']
I guess I should`ve added in Reids play calling but,talent wise the Eagles may be second to none...
Unfortunately that does`nt always win games
[/quote]


I strongly disagree with this statement. Reid is an absolute genius and miracle worker. He has made some really mediocre to poor QB's look like superstars. McNabb, Kolb, Vick, Feely for crying out loud. These guys have done absolutely nothing without Andy. If not for Reid this Eagle team would be scraping the bottom of the barrell. Be careful what you wish for in Philly.

[goeagles5039]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1347719309' post='1151064']
My gameplan:
[b]Defense:[/b]
* Assuming Maclin and Desean play, I say we stuff 6 in the box. Make it so McCoy and Vick have a hard time scrambling. Let's hope Kruger and McPhee can cover the edges against Vick to minimize the success he has running.
* If DeSean plays, I would put Webb on him. Then I'd have Reed and Cary take care of Maclin, assuming he plays. Pollard and a linebacker (maybe Ray) should be able to handle Celek.
[b]Offense:[/b]
I doubt Rice will go far on the edges with Trent Cole and Babin, and so running up the middle would be a better option. Look for Torrey to try to get open deep against Rogers-Cromarti, which I hope he can do. Ndamdi will probably shut Boldin down unfortunetely.
[/quote]

DRC will keep up with anybody. Smith has a better chance of getting open deep against Nnamdi than Cromartie.

[flynismo]

[quote name='ravensdan' timestamp='1347720885' post='1151088']



I strongly disagree with this statement. Reid is an absolute genius and miracle worker. He has made some really mediocre to poor QB's look like superstars. McNabb, Kolb, Vick, Feely for crying out loud. These guys have done absolutely nothing without Andy. If not for Reid this Eagle team would be scraping the bottom of the barrell. Be careful what you wish for in Philly.
[/quote]

Err.. I see plenty of eagles games, and I can assure you that Reid is no miracle worker. McNabb was a great qb in his own right - Reid did not make all those throws or plays with his feet. Vick, as over-hyped as he may be, was still an accomplished qb years before going to Philly. And what exactly has Kolb and Feely done in their careers for me to think Reid has this Midas touch? They are further evidence that his players stand on their own or get knocked down on their own.

Let me ask, did last week's gameplan and lack of adjustments look like the work of a genius?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1347721667' post='1151107']


Err.. I see plenty of eagles games, and I can assure you that Reid is no miracle worker. McNabb was a great qb in his own right - Reid did not make all those throws or plays with his feet. Vick, as over-hyped as he may be, was still an accomplished qb years before going to Philly. And what exactly has Kolb and Feely done in their careers for me to think Reid has this Midas touch? They are further evidence that his players stand on their own or get knocked down on their own.

Let me ask, did last week's gameplan and lack of adjustments look like the work of a genius?
[/quote]
Reid is great at developing QBs, but his in game management including play-calling is poor.

[JO_75]

Just saw on PFT that the Eagles and Ravens will play 4 games in just 17 days. The Ravens 4 game stretch in 17 days begins Sunday, and the Eagles don't do it until late in the year where they play 4 games between Nov 26th and Dec 13th. The advantage is that the Ravens have 3 home games and only 1 road game, Sunday against Philly. The Eagles meanwhile have two home games and two road games against Tampa and Dallas.

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