Ravens at Eagles

[hawkprey]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1347635662' post='1150526']
And it's threads like this:
[url="http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/topic/649656-stop-discounting-the-defense-by-saying-its-just-the-browns/"]http://boards.philad...ust-the-browns/[/url]
that scare the daylights out of me.

It is rather eye opening to see it put quite like that, just how dominant the Eagles' defense was last week.

And then there's these:
[url="http://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/start/jay-cutler-joe-flacco.php"]http://www.fantasypr...-joe-flacco.php[/url]
[url="http://www.chicagofootballtalk.com/blog/jay-cutler-versus-joe-flacco"]http://www.chicagofo...rsus-joe-flacco[/url]

Yes, obviously the latter link is biased, but the comparisons made are still rather potent. Though I have to disagree about Flacco having the benefit of being in the same system for 4 years as a reason to criticize him for not lighting the world on fire in 2011. His system changed drastically in 2011. His #1 receiver, gone. His #1 tight end, gone. The offensive line was changing. The receivers were rookies, or injured, or couldn't get open. It was precisely the system surrounding him in 2011 that made it so difficult for him to succeed. But whatever.

The comparisons between Cutler and Flacco have been being made for a long time now.
The Eagles' D was objectively amazing in the season opener.

I don't know...

I'm just a bit worried. That is all.
[/quote]
Maybe that oughta tell you how terrible Brandon Weeden and the Browns' offense is. The front page article for this site said the Eagles D guys may have hinted at some "high-level innovative plan" to stop our no-huddle. All I can say is a Cutlerish "good luck", because you're gonna have to do it with your favorite 11 guys against a slew of receivers who can all be used anywhere on the field.

[3-4ravdef509]

This game is really boggling me. In the off-season, I had this one as a loss, but that was before last week.

Quarterbacks: Edge Ravens, duh. But Vick, as awful as he played, is still capable of busting of a huge play, run or pass, at any given moment. Joe did great last week, but he still needs to prove he can do this every week. I know he can, I'm not a hater. But he has been prone to inconsistency, which was made worse last year by a almost completley new crew around him. I believe Flacco will be elite one day, but right now the jury is still out if Flacco has taken that next step.

Running Backs: Edge Ravens. McCoy is a great back, but I don't know if Reid is going to actually use him, because he's usually too stubborn to abandon the pass. Even if he gets fed, I think we contain him based on the thinning of the Eagles receiving core. We should be able to stack the box.

Receivers: Us no doubt, even if they were healthy. Considering Maclin is almost definitely out, Jackson isn't practicing, doesn't look too good. Plus add Dickson and American Express.

O-line: Who knows. We looked good last week, but just one week its hard to say how they'll look going forward against the best pass rushing tandem in the game. I think they have some injuries to their line too? Not sure, but I still think this is a toss up. Based on Harbaughs statements, we could evens see a different line out there Sunday altogether.

Front 7: Their pass rush is better, our d-line is better, We have Ray and McClain, I think we have the edge.

Secondary: I like Nmandi, but other than that I think all of our guys are better than theirs. But their pass rush might boost them.

Honestly, I think gameplans will factor in a lot too. If we have the no-huddle down good, hand signals down to cancel out the noise, and we execute well and Flacco should be able to pick apart their secondary. I worry about communication with the line and Flacco, and also the line with each other in a hostile environment, and the guys aren't exactly accustomed to playing with each other for a long time. Also, do we pass or run? I say pass early to gain a lead and pound the ball, but will Flacco want to go pass happy all day or will Cameron pull some dumb stunts? I like our offense moving forward, but this game is a huge litmus test for where we are at offensively with the no-huddle and our philosophy running and passing. Also, try and get the crowd out of it early

Defensively if we pressure Vick, we should own them because I think their receivers aren't going to beat our corners, and as long as we pressure Vick and contain McCoy, we should hold them well. But they are capable of scoring at any time, so we cannot afford any busted coverages, missed tackles on McCoy, etc.

End of the day, I think we are too much defensively for a shaken Vick and injured receiving core. AS long as our offense puts up 20+ points, we win.

Prediction: Ravens 27, Eagles 17. Big road test for Baltimore, and they shall prevail, but it won't be easy.

[Blex64]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1347604131' post='1150392']
[b]Guys, the Eagles are a good team[/b] so I understand having faith in our boys coming out with the victory but to talk like this is a guaranteed victory is insane. When Vick is on, Eagles is a Top 5 team and their D has Top 10 potential and the fact that we are playing them at their house without Suggs at that....... makes for an interesting game. Major test for our young OLB's , major test.
[/quote]

No, they're not. They're a middle of the pack team that never executes. Jamarcus Russell had potential too.

[jaege]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1347635662' post='1150526']
And it's threads like this:
[url="http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/topic/649656-stop-discounting-the-defense-by-saying-its-just-the-browns/"]http://boards.philad...ust-the-browns/[/url]
that scare the daylights out of me.

It is rather eye opening to see it put quite like that, just how dominant the Eagles' defense was last week.

And then there's these:
[url="http://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/start/jay-cutler-joe-flacco.php"]http://www.fantasypr...-joe-flacco.php[/url]
[url="http://www.chicagofootballtalk.com/blog/jay-cutler-versus-joe-flacco"]http://www.chicagofo...rsus-joe-flacco[/url]

Yes, obviously the latter link is biased, but the comparisons made are still rather potent. Though I have to disagree about Flacco having the benefit of being in the same system for 4 years as a reason to criticize him for not lighting the world on fire in 2011. His system changed drastically in 2011. His #1 receiver, gone. His #1 tight end, gone. The offensive line was changing. The receivers were rookies, or injured, or couldn't get open. It was precisely the system surrounding him in 2011 that made it so difficult for him to succeed. But whatever.

The comparisons between Cutler and Flacco have been being made for a long time now.
The Eagles' D was objectively amazing in the season opener.

I don't know...

I'm just a bit worried. That is all.
[/quote]


The Eagles defense barely held off the Browns. Cleveland Browns. The Browns from Cleveland. If that is the litmus test for being a dominant amazing defense than pretty much every team in the league is a dominant amazing defense. We are a dominant amazing defense twice a year. So are the Bengals.

What is it you are worried about, amazingly dominating the Browns again?

[callahan09]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1347642121' post='1150584']
The Eagles defense barely held off the Browns. Cleveland Browns. The Browns from Cleveland. If that is the litmus test for being a dominant amazing defense than pretty much every team in the league is a dominant amazing defense. We are a dominant amazing defense twice a year. So are the Bengals.

What is it you are worried about, amazingly dominating the Browns again?
[/quote]

The Browns only scored 3 field goals on offense the entire day. Those 3 fields goals, and their defensive touchdown, were all scored off of turnovers. So they got 3 field goals off of a fumble and 2 INTs, and a touchdown on defense that was a pick 6.

So really, the Eagles' D prevented the Browns from doing anything whatsoever. It was the Eagle's O that gave the Browns their points.

[JO_75]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1347636259' post='1150531']
This is a beautiful, beautiful thread:

[url="http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/topic/649495-joe-flacco-ravens-qb-2013-free-agent/"]http://boards.philad...013-free-agent/[/url]

To think, fans of other teams are calling Flacco elite and talking about wanting their franchise to trade 2 first rounders for him.
[/quote]

I like the title of the section... "I want the Eagles to Get..." as that might be something to consider to put here for the off-season since we get so many of the "Ravens should trade for or should sign" threads. Other than that, they can keep on dreaming. Flacco is ours.

[JO_75]

From Schefter's FB:

[quote]Eagles list DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin as questionable.[/quote]

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[url="http://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter"]http://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter[/url]

[Alexir]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1347645058' post='1150608']
From Schefter's FB:



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[url="http://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter"]http://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter[/url]
[/quote]

Pollard will be disappointed

[jaege]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1347643149' post='1150589']
The Browns only scored 3 field goals on offense the entire day. Those 3 fields goals, and their defensive touchdown, were all scored off of turnovers. So they got 3 field goals off of a fumble and 2 INTs, and a touchdown on defense that was a pick 6.

So really, the Eagles' D prevented the Browns from doing anything whatsoever. It was the Eagle's O that gave the Browns their points.
[/quote]

You miss my point. They successfully prevented the almighty [b]Browns [/b]from getting touchdowns. That is hardly a ringing endorsement of the Eagles defense. Cleveland had one of the worst offenses in the league last year. It would be expected that any mediocre team could hold the Browns to FGs. All that proves is the Eagles defense is better than the Browns lousy offense. So are the offenses of about 26 other teams. Nothing to lose sleep over.

[ninpiggy]

[quote name='Cville-Raven' timestamp='1347329991' post='1146982']
Now we really need to get back to earth, no week 2 a.k.a Tennessee game.
[/quote]

Ick. Don't remind me of that. That was weird and horrible.

[ravensdan]

On Offense: I believe the Raven's can and will be able to scheme to slow down this Eagle's rush. It will be important to move Flacco around by design to keep the Eagle's rushers from keying on one position. We will use all kinds of inside Running back and wide receiver screens early and often in this game. It should be key to get Torrey Smith and to a lesser extent Jacoby jones the ball in space where he can run with it as the Eagles will likely take away the deep routes. The Ravens should also have success with draws to Rice and both of the tight ends should be able to get open in the seams.

On Defense: The Eagle's biggest weakness is the Ravens greatest strength. The Ravens are just a much more physical team. It should be key to get up and jam both Jackson and maclin at the line, both to test their injury status and frustrate them early. The Ravens should be able to bait Vick in to some bad throws and take the ball away multiple times, as he is just not really a smart player and he likes to force the ball deep. Andy Reid should be considered a pure genius for actually getting some decent QB play from time to time by Vick. The Ravens biggest vulnerability will be with different pass plays to McCoy. The young Ravens linebackers will likely make a few mistakes that allow big yardage from McCoy.

Final Score - Ravens 27, Eagles 17

Eagles should finnish the year tied for second place in the overrated NFC East at 9-7. The NFC East will be really exposed this year by playing the Ravens, Steelers and Bengals (The Browns will likely get most of their wins from NFC teams as well. They have the worst offense in the league, but they will keep it close just because no one except San Fran and now Jeff Fisher play D in the NFC.)

[hawkprey]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1347643149' post='1150589']
The Browns only scored 3 field goals on offense the entire day. Those 3 fields goals, and their defensive touchdown, were all scored off of turnovers. So they got 3 field goals off of a fumble and 2 INTs, and a touchdown on defense that was a pick 6.

So really, the Eagles' D prevented the Browns from doing anything whatsoever. It was the Eagle's O that gave the Browns their points.
[/quote]
Didn't we play a game against the Browns a few years ago when they didn't cross our 40 the entire game and got shut out?

Found it:
2009 Ravens vs Browns:
B. Quinn: 13/31, 99 yds, 2 INT
160 yards - 86 rushing, 74 passing. 2.6 yards per offensive play.

2012 Eagles vs Browns:
Weeden: 12/35, 118 yards, 4 INT
210 yards - 99 rushing, 111 passing. 3.6 yards per play.


So they got 2 more picks. Whoop, as they say, de doo.

[XxSizzleXx]

I want to see a heavy dose of Leach in this game. We can't get into a back and forth game with this team. They may have played a bad game but the Eagles are explosive.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1347635662' post='1150526']
And it's threads like this:
[url="http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/topic/649656-stop-discounting-the-defense-by-saying-its-just-the-browns/"]http://boards.philad...ust-the-browns/[/url]
that scare the daylights out of me.

It is rather eye opening to see it put quite like that, just how dominant the Eagles' defense was last week.

And then there's these:
[url="http://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/start/jay-cutler-joe-flacco.php"]http://www.fantasypr...-joe-flacco.php[/url]
[url="http://www.chicagofootballtalk.com/blog/jay-cutler-versus-joe-flacco"]http://www.chicagofo...rsus-joe-flacco[/url]

Yes, obviously the latter link is biased, but the comparisons made are still rather potent. Though I have to disagree about Flacco having the benefit of being in the same system for 4 years as a reason to criticize him for not lighting the world on fire in 2011. His system changed drastically in 2011. His #1 receiver, gone. His #1 tight end, gone. The offensive line was changing. The receivers were rookies, or injured, or couldn't get open. It was precisely the system surrounding him in 2011 that made it so difficult for him to succeed. But whatever.

The comparisons between Cutler and Flacco have been being made for a long time now.
The Eagles' D was objectively amazing in the season opener.

I don't know...

I'm just a bit worried. That is all.
[/quote]

I could care less what the Eagles D did to the Browns. They are the Browns, also starting someithng like 5 rookies on offense. That is a recipe for disaster. I am not saying the Eagles D isnt talented, because it is. However, they arent as talented across the board as we are. They have a better D line, but everywhere else the Ravens are better.

The Eagles offense also has weapons, but their top 2 WRs are hampered by injruries and Vick is very mistake prone. If they have any chance at winning it will be because Shady McCoy gashes our defense, but I am confident coach Pees realizes this and will do everything he can to stop McCoy. The Eagles offensive line also was pretty bad last week allowing DL to penetrate and disrupt numerous pass and running plays. If they dont improve our front 7 will have a field day.

Bottom line, these are two talented teams, but we have the better QB and play better as a team. I'll be very surprised if the Eagles can pull off a win. although they certainly are capable if they execute a perfect game.

Regarding the Cutler - Flacco comparisons...I dont see it. Aside from having strong arms, there really is nothing to compare. Cutler chokes in big games and constantly makes horrible decisions. Joe steps up in big games and makes smart choices. He rarely throws picks and when they get inthe RZ he never throws picks. Flacco is a much better QB than Cutler at this point.

[raybaby]

I'm the biggest Flacco supporter there is but he did make some blind throws last game that if he makes again & the Eagles take advantage could be a matter of winning or losing. I'm not sure how much Marvin took our no huddle emphasis in the preseason seriously. The Bengals started off with a lot of focus on Ray Rice & rightfully so with how many yards he got against them last year. It'll be interesting to see what happens against a team that has good defense & we know for sure is game planning for our new offense.

[GrimCoconut]

I find it maddening that people are saying we are a bad or mediocre run defense. One game does not make an identity. Perhaps the game plan all along was to stop the pass and not the run? It just baffles me that people (not people in this thread) think we lost our once stout run defense. Perhaps it's due to perceived age, or Lewis' weight loss, or because a good RB had a good game from a team with a good OL who have dangerous receiving threat we most likely focused on shutting down.

I mean, Ellerbe even alluded to the fact that our team was focused on pass defense when he said he and Jameel swapped. If it was a run then McClain was in and a pass then Ellerbe played. If you noticed when McClain and Jones entered the game the run game tightened up. Part of that was due to the Bengals throwing more than passing, but that doesn't explain the ineffective runs of BGE after they entered the game.

Just because our run defense got ran on against the Bengals doesn't mean it happens again. I believe I am rather rational about things and I accept the Ravens need work as a team, but the run defense does not worry me yet.

I expect Cody to be involved more in this game, as well as Arthur Jones & Upshaw. I also see McClain playing more snaps and starting over Ellerbe in this game.

I am not worried about our defense against their offense. I believe we can stop their O. I am worried about their pair of pass rushers. Flacco & Rice need to have a game, but for that to happen it depends on the OL. The key to this game is the line, moreso than against the Bengals.

I can really see McCoy being held below 100 yards. I'm not being cocky, either. I think the Ravens can really win this. I am worried about the game, though. The Eagles are a good team, they just need to get their game together.

I see this game as having a decent difference. There will be a 10pt+ difference in score no matter who wins, at least that's how I see it.

[lgcs27288]

Interesting stat I saw on NFL network. The past 3 years, the team that opened up Lincoln Memorial against the Eagles, went on to win the Super Bowl.

Saints- 2009
Green Bay-2010
Giants- 2011
Ravens- 2012?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='lgcs27288' timestamp='1347664507' post='1150760']
Interesting stat I saw on NFL network. The past 3 years, the team that opened up Lincoln Memorial against the Eagles, went on to win the Super Bowl.

Saints- 2009
Green Bay-2010
Giants- 2011
Ravens- 2012?
[/quote]
Thats kinda wierd, but also interesting. Lets keep the trend going!

[XxSizzleXx]

Haha wow one of the weirdest stats ever, hopefully we keep er going.

[PAbaltimorefan22]

Hi! I'm new to the site but I have a question, is anyone going to the game on Sunday? Just wondering how many other Ravens fans I'd run into

[Purple City Bird Gang]

[quote name='BALTIMOREFLACCO' timestamp='1347329941' post='1146976']
Bring it!
[/quote]Yeah what he said!! lol

[Purple City Bird Gang]

[quote name='lgcs27288' timestamp='1347664507' post='1150760']
Interesting stat I saw on NFL network. The past 3 years, the team that opened up Lincoln Memorial against the Eagles, went on to win the Super Bowl.

Saints- 2009
Green Bay-2010
Giants- 2011
Ravens- 2012?
[/quote]That's weird but i like it

[pick-ups]

I just found out that the Ravens have two rookie starters on the O-line if so does that concern any of you posters facing the Eagles D-line.
Not that the Eagles O-line is any better but,the Eagles pass rush is fierce and better than the Ravens and without T-sizzle it just make it more glaring.
I think Flacco has his work cut out for him and if he plays well then he`s come to fruition but,if not then draw plays with Rice is a must.
The Eagles biggest opponet is themselves with this team and talent level so we`ll see what happens come sunday.
With that being said neither teams blowing this game out unless huge mistakes are made and the reason I`m quite confident is that the Ravens possible question marks with the O-line and run defense are in question and those just happen to be the Eagles biggest strengths(if Reid)give McCoy the 25+ carries to keep Vick out of bad decisions and harms way.
Either way both teams will be fine win or lose as its only week 2 and an out of conference game.
Heres to no injuries.

[Purple City Bird Gang]

[quote name='206EaglesFan' timestamp='1347637824' post='1150545']
No, I missed it. My bad massa.
[/quote]If my QB couldn't stay healthy I'd do the same.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='pick-ups' timestamp='1347672805' post='1150843']
I just found out that the Ravens have two rookie starters on the O-line if so does that concern any of you posters facing the Eagles D-line.
Not that the Eagles O-line is any better but,the Eagles pass rush is fierce and better than the Ravens and without T-sizzle it just make it more glaring.
I think Flacco has his work cut out for him and if he plays well then he`s come to fruition but,if not then draw plays with Rice is a must.
The Eagles biggest opponet is themselves with this team and talent level so we`ll see what happens come sunday.
With that being said neither teams blowing this game out unless huge mistakes are made and the reason I`m quite confident is that the Ravens possible question marks with the O-line and run defense are in question and those just happen to be the Eagles biggest strengths(if Reid)give McCoy the 25+ carries to keep Vick out of bad decisions and harms way.
Either way both teams will be fine win or lose as its only week 2 and an out of conference game.
Heres to no injuries.
[/quote]
One is third year, the other is a rookie. It's tough, the rookie has been a total stud, and the 3rd year guy who is a first time starter but physically he's very powerful (he's 6'6 330 playing guard).

We're all in "wait and see" mode. The Oline looked promising, but it's not a sure thing.

[codizzle]

[quote name='pick-ups' timestamp='1347672805' post='1150843']

The Eagles biggest opponet is themselves
[/quote]

That's questionable

[pick-ups]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1347672925' post='1150847']
One is third year, the other is a rookie. It's tough, the rookie has been a total stud, and the 3rd year guy who is a first time starter but physically he's very powerful (he's 6'6 330 playing guard).

We're all in "wait and see" mode. The Oline looked promising, but it's not a sure thing.
[/quote]I hear ya as the Eagles O-line has never really recovered since Tra Thomas and Runyan retired.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='pick-ups' timestamp='1347672805' post='1150843']
I just found out that the Ravens have two rookie starters on the O-line if so does that concern any of you posters facing the Eagles D-line.
Not that the Eagles O-line is any better but,the Eagles pass rush is fierce and better than the Ravens and without T-sizzle it just make it more glaring.
I think Flacco has his work cut out for him and if he plays well then he`s come to fruition but,if not then draw plays with Rice is a must.
The Eagles biggest opponet is themselves with this team and talent level so we`ll see what happens come sunday.
With that being said neither teams blowing this game out unless huge mistakes are made and the reason I`m quite confident is that the Ravens possible question marks with the O-line and run defense are in question and those just happen to be the Eagles biggest strengths(if Reid)give McCoy the 25+ carries to keep Vick out of bad decisions and harms way.
Either way both teams will be fine win or lose as its only week 2 and an out of conference game.
Heres to no injuries.
[/quote]
See, I read on the Eagles forum the notion that we have two rookies on the OL. As Izvoodoo said that's just not true. I don't understand the notion that we have two rookies. I guess it's because Harewood (the LG) has been on IR for two years since we drafted him in the 6th round, though those injuries sound more fabricated than actual (though that is merely a suspicion). Osemele is the only rookie starting, unless Gradkowski (the center we drafted in the 4th round) is starting over Birk.

I still don't get this belief where people think the Ravens run defense is suspect. It's one game. I know it looks like our run defense isn't that good because of a few issues, but I really think this run defense "problem" is getting blown way out of proportion.

[pick-ups]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1347673266' post='1150854']
That's questionable
[/quote]I guess I should`ve added in Reids play calling but,talent wise the Eagles may be second to none...
Unfortunately that does`nt always win games

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='pick-ups' timestamp='1347673503' post='1150861']
I guess I should`ve added in Reids play calling but,talent wise the Eagles may be second to none...
Unfortunately that does`nt always win games
[/quote]

First part is again, questionable.

Second part reminds me you still have a brain.