Huddle is on its way out

[PolishRifle]

Harbs talking about the switch to the no-huddle offense and our new DC Pees:

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Joe has been tremendous in the no-huddle this pre-season and the few times we used it in previous seasons. It makes me very excited to see it actually becoming a major part of our gameplan.

[Remired24]

I'm new to football talk, but i think they should mix it a little bit between huddle/no-huddle it will confuse the heck out the other teams for example if one game they did a no-huddle for the first the drives....the other team would only assume that the next drive they would huddle but we no huddle instead

[redlobster]

The no huddle won't really work when your attempting to run clock out, or I guess it will work but won't really serve a purpose. I didn't read the article though

[PolishRifle]

[quote name='Remired24' timestamp='1346937832' post='1140846']
I'm new to football talk, but i think they should mix it a little bit between huddle/no-huddle it will confuse the heck out the other teams for example if one game they did a no-huddle for the first the drives....the other team would only assume that the next drive they would huddle but we no huddle instead
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Don't know, if it would throw anybody off, but we won't go no-huddle all the time eventhough I do expect it to be a big part of the offense for same reason that Harbs stated: It's just what the league changes into by bending themselves backwards to open up the passing game.


[quote name='redlobster' timestamp='1346938810' post='1140858']
The no huddle won't really work when your attempting to run clock out, or I guess it will work but won't really serve a purpose. I didn't read the article though
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Not an article. It's an interview with coach Harbaugh. I quoted him in the title. That's his opinion.

[Purple Punishment]

Going completely no huddle puts us at an advantage. Defenses cannot make substitutions and if we can keep moving the chains, we will tire them out before halftime.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

With our speed and youth on offense, it's about time. I think our offense explodes this year. Torrey becomes known as an elite guy as does Flacco.

[rayrayven]

[quote name='redlobster' timestamp='1346938810' post='1140858']
The no huddle won't really work when your attempting to run clock out, or I guess it will work but won't really serve a purpose. I didn't read the article though
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In college the no huddle is used all the time to run down the clock. Its done by having players line up right away to freeze the substitutions on defense and then seeing how they line up. The QB and other players then look back at the sidelines for signals as to what to run. Then they can wait until the last fractions of a second to snap the ball. The offense is often called the "check with me" or "look-see". Not all versions of the no-huddle are of the hurry-up variety

[CorvusCorax]

I'm not buying too much into this until it [b]consistently[/b] happens. After all we still have Cam Cameron as our OC.

[PolishRifle]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1346946304' post='1140953']
I'm not buying too much into this until it [b]consistently[/b] happens. After all we still have Cam Cameron as our OC.
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I am sure the coaches plans trump the OCs. So if Harbs is sold on it, I would assume chances are pretty good.

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

This offense continues to dominate late in games when we are in a rush and we go no huddle.

[BmoreFaithful]

I love the no huddle but i have to wonder that a fast moving offense leaves a weakened defense on the field longer. Do we really want to have our defense on the field a majority of a game ? Williams has been burnt almost on every play on his side of the field. We have no pass rush to speak of and let's face it our pro bowlers are getting older. I just think it will be a push in the end. I would love to try the ball control game and run it down the oponents throat but then we need a solid O'line.

I have no doubt by the pre-season that flacco can move th eball in the no huddle and looks great running it. The defense is what is scaring me and thats hard to admit being we have always had a in your face dominant defense.

[cursona pirate]

No huddle is like our super weapon. Our blitzkrieg, atomic bomb, or our new swag!

[D-Rey]

[quote name='BmoreFaithful' timestamp='1346950127' post='1140996']
I love the no huddle but i have to wonder that a fast moving offense leaves a weakened defense on the field longer. Do we really want to have our defense on the field a majority of a game ? [b]Williams has been burnt almost on every play on his side of the field[/b]. We have no pass rush to speak of and let's face it our pro bowlers are getting older. I just think it will be a push in the end. I would love to try the ball control game and run it down the oponents throat but then we need a solid O'line.

I have no doubt by the pre-season that flacco can move th eball in the no huddle and looks great running it. The defense is what is scaring me and thats hard to admit being we have always had a in your face dominant defense.
[/quote]That's quite an exaggeration. I'm excited to see the sugar huddle

[Bazooka Joe]

They're speaking no huddle so much that Im thinking we won't see it as much as advertised.

[hawkprey]

I think the no-huddle makes every QB look good and it's probably going to replace the huddle as the standard soon enough. Ours looked good, but I still like the ability for us to switch between personnel packages. Maybe we don't do that enough with Cam as it is.

[Yatagarasu]

No Huddle = More time playing and less time talking.

Flacco might finally break that 4000 yard mark.

[RavensWin09]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1346960852' post='1141134']
No Huddle = More time playing and less time talking.

Flacco might finally break that 4000 yard mark.
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i think thats bound to be broken. he should flirting with 4500

[Ravenslifer]

Like I've said before, the key is being able to run effectively in the no-huddle - the Bills of the 90s did it, so there's no reason we can't. And I think it's going to make Rice even more dangerous in the passing game - as a pure running back there might be some better ones, but I don't believe there is a single player in this league that's as dangerous in open space as Ray Rice. I think our no-huddle be able to maximize this for him as well as juice up the rest of the passing game.

[Purple Punishment]

If anyone wants a perfect example of how effective a no huddle offense can be ran and be extremely effective, just watch the Oregon Ducks

[cobrajet]

I am all for the no huddle. I fully believe that it will be one of the key reasons we will have a great season.

[gabefergy]

I think we will see a complete shift in offensive identity. We will be much more effective using the pass to set up the run than vice versa. And dont think this will hurt Ray Rice's production. On the contrary it should make him even more efficient.

[PolishRifle]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1346983447' post='1141393']
I think we will see a complete shift in offensive identity. We will be much more effective using the pass to set up the run than vice versa. And dont think this will hurt Ray Rice's production. On the contrary it should make him even more efficient.
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Of cource it won't hurt his production. With the no-huddle the offense is out on the field more often, hence the players on offense get more chances to contribute. That is why the number of passes Joe makes will increase significantly, yet Rays touches can still remain the same.
I do also believe, that it will make Ray more effective. Like he said he is not a "plower" and we really should stop forcing him to rush towards a solid line of defensive linemen like he's Larry Csonka. The passing play will spread the opposing defense out a bit opening up lanes for Ray.
I wouldn't be surprised, if both Joe and Ray have their best season yet.

[beasy2487]

[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1346988073' post='1141449']
Of cource it won't hurt his production. With the no-huddle the offense is out on the field more often, hence the players on offense get more chances to contribute. That is why the number of passes Joe makes will increase significantly, yet Rays touches can still remain the same.
I do also believe, that it will make Ray more effective. Like he said he is not a "plower" and we really should stop forcing him to rush towards a solid line of defensive linemen like he's Larry Csonka. The passing play will spread the opposing defense out a bit opening up lanes for Ray.
I wouldn't be surprised, if both Joe and Ray have their best season yet.
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Definitely. I think this is the year we see Ray turn into the true reincarnation of Marshall Faulk with 1000 yds rushing and receiving.

[baltravens]

In following the Ravens since 1998, I think that if we exclusively use the no-huddle offense we will do worse than we did in 2011. ...just saying.

[mhead66]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1347041409' post='1141713']
In following the Ravens since 1998, I think that if we exclusively use the no-huddle offense we will do worse than we did in 2011. ...just saying.
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I have to agree. First of all, even though it forces the defense to keep the same 11 on the field, it also forces our Offense to keep the same 11. If you go with Rice, [b]Leach[/b], Dickson, Torrey and Boldin, you're taking some of the creativity of using both Dickson and Pitta, together - similar to Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez. Leach is an all-world blocker but sometimes we're better served with a 3 or 4 WR set, or a 2 TE scheme. It gives opposing defenses less possible combinations to defend against - and Vontae Leach is nowhere near the receiving threat of Dennis Pitta or Jacoby Jones. If you play 80% sugar huddle, you keep Leach in, for that 80%.

Also... it most certainly will tire out our defense, unless Flacco takes the team up to the line and waits until there's 1-2 seconds left before snapping the ball... which most no-huddle offense don't do. We already have pass-rush concerns, without T-Sizzle, Cory Redding and JJ... with winded pass-rushers, it could compound the problem.

[PolishRifle]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1347067732' post='1142046']
I have to agree. First of all, even though it forces the defense to keep the same 11 on the field, it also forces our Offense to keep the same 11. If you go with Rice, [b]Leach[/b], Dickson, Torrey and Boldin, you're taking some of the creativity of using both Dickson and Pitta, together - similar to Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez. Leach is an all-world blocker but sometimes we're better served with a 3 or 4 WR set, or a 2 TE scheme. It gives opposing defenses less possible combinations to defend against - and Vontae Leach is nowhere near the receiving threat of Dennis Pitta or Jacoby Jones. If you play 80% sugar huddle, you keep Leach in, for that 80%.

Also... it most certainly will tire out our defense, unless Flacco takes the team up to the line and waits until there's 1-2 seconds left before snapping the ball... which most no-huddle offense don't do. We already have pass-rush concerns, without T-Sizzle, Cory Redding and JJ... with winded pass-rushers, it could compound the problem.
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Even Joe said that the Ravens will use the no-huddle SOMETIMES as much as on 100% of the plays. If you look at the Arizona game, which is the best example of us using this look on offense, we were switching between a huddled offense and the sugar huddle sometimes and were puting men in and out of the game. Remember Ngata playing on offense that day?
The old elements wont disappear, just because you introduce a new look to the offense and make it your focus. And lets face it neither our combinations, nor our routes were especially creative last season. Didn't we lead the league in 2 receiver sets? In the game against the Jaguars, where if I recall correctly we have guys coming on and off the field, our play calling looked much more dynamic.

I have voiced my doubts, that we will use the no-huddle this often many times, before I saw that Harbaugh interview and am still unsure how much Cam wants to get out of his comfort zone. After all his "old" system kinda worked for the last 4 seasons. But we cannot outright panic at the mere idea of change.

[jusraven]

I like the No Huddle! It reminds me of a boxer who develops a good jab. He is always better with, than without. If used effectively it becomes a good offensive weapon to keep the opponent off balance and a defensive aid as well. But, if Not executed well it can spell disaster at the hands of a swarming counter punching defense with good movement that suckers the No Huddle into a costly mistake. However, it may take time before teams are able to get enough on tape to study an opponent’s No Huddle tendencies.

[size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Is the Huddle on it way out? No way! Why would any team limit its options? I believe both the Huddle and No Huddle will remain and be used collectively in more creative ways. The Huddle leaves only if the NFL rules it out.[/font][/size]

[cobrajet]

Peyton Manning showed the formula to beat the Steelers last night using the no huddle. The Steelers had no time to make substitutions, but there was plenty of time when they lined up to see how the Steelers lined up on defense. If Troy P. crept up to the line, Peyton held up and audibled a change of play to adjust for a blitz and the tight end moved back to the line opposite Troy and they had protection and threw a quick screen. If Troy and the secondary stayed back, Peyton switched to a quick handoff to Willis. He picked apart the Steelers defense. Did Peyton have his will put on the Steelers every play, no, but Peyton stayed on his feet and did not throw picks and Willis got positive yards, instead of losing yards. All Joe has to do is watch the tape. Peyton was also in shotgun more than he was under center. It works for him and it also worked for Joe last year. If that Bronco vs. Steelers game did not get you excited for the season than I don't know what to tell you.

BTW, the Broncos did not play prevent defense on the Steelers last drive, they blitzed every time and Big Ben went 4 and out on sacks. Their line can't handle a max blitz and we can't be fooled by pump fakes because Ben likes to do it. The defense needs to get after him. When Ben is rushed he throws picks. However, I am sure that they will make some adjustments. They have to try something, Ben was getting killed. Clark will be back next week and Harrison will be back soon, so they did not have have their full compliment.

[CorvusCorax]

[quote name='cobrajet' timestamp='1347277014' post='1144442']
Peyton Manning showed the formula to beat the Steelers last night using the no huddle. The Steelers had no time to make substitutions, but there was plenty of time when they lined up to see how the Steelers lined up on defense. If Troy P. crept up to the line, Peyton held up and audibled a change of play to adjust for a blitz and the tight end moved back to the line opposite Troy and they had protection and threw a quick screen. If Troy and the secondary stayed back, Peyton switched to a quick handoff to Willis. He picked apart the Steelers defense. Did Peyton have his will put on the Steelers every play, no, but Peyton stayed on his feet and did not throw picks and Willis got positive yards, instead of losing yards. All Joe has to do is watch the tape. Peyton was also in shotgun more than he was under center. It works for him and it also worked for Joe last year. If that Bronco vs. Steelers game did not get you excited for the season than I don't know what to tell you.

BTW, the Broncos did not play prevent defense on the Steelers last drive, they blitzed every time and Big Ben went 4 and out on sacks. Their line can't handle a max blitz and we can't be fooled by pump fakes because Ben likes to do it. The defense needs to get after him. When Ben is rushed he throws picks. However, I am sure that they will make some adjustments. They have to try something, Ben was getting killed. Clark will be back next week and Harrison will be back soon, so they did not have have their full compliment.
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This is easy to say now but we play them on what, week 11? Things will certainly change by then. In our favor or against it. Who knows. Let's see what happens in the next 4-5 games.

[cobrajet]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1347279554' post='1144457']
This is easy to say now but we play them on what, week 11? Things will certainly change by then. In our favor or against it. Who knows. Let's see what happens in the next 4-5 games.
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Absolutely, and like I said...after yesterday you know they are going to make changes or adjustments and disquise things better. Troy was showing his hand a little too early, from what I saw, and they had a lot of undressed guys on the sidelines that are going to get healthy and Clark couldn't play.