Updated: Bryant McKinnie Restructures Contract

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1346795046' post='1139394']
Last I seen we were very tight. Had little savings from cundiff due to a lot of dead money, and then we had 8 people on ir and Suggs on pup. That's a 61 man roster as well as the ps that all had to be under the cap. I'd say them 8 on ir, meaning 8 extra guys on the roster pushed us very close. Could be wrong though
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From what I saw we were still a little over half a million under the cap. [url="http://www.ravens24x7.com/columns/The-Money-Clip-Baltimore-Ravens-Salary-Cap-Analysis/Ravens-likely-to-be-very-tight-to-the-cap-on-Opening-Night"]http://www.ravens24x...n-Opening-Night[/url]

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1346795398' post='1139404']


From what I saw we were still about a littler over half a million under the cap. http://www.ravens24x7.com/columns/The-Money-Clip-Baltimore-Ravens-Salary-Cap-Analysis/Ravens-likely-to-be-very-tight-to-the-cap-on-Opening-Night
[/quote]Yea and what happens if someone mid season gets injured, we'd have no cap to sign a vet. 1/2 million is not enough to go into a season

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1346795481' post='1139407']
Yea and what happens if someone mid season gets injured, we'd have no cap to sign a vet. 1/2 million is not enough to go into a season
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I mean thats what depth is supposedly for, but still 1.5 million isnt very much either. Its a little better, but hardly a huge difference maker. I mean the reward has to outweigh the risk when you are threatening arguably the most important position on the o line in the left tackle (not saying Mckinnie is the most important guy, just that the position is).

Assuming that this went south, we would have been in an absolutely terrible position. Depth on our o line would shrink, half the line would be shuffled around a week before the opener. It would be disastrous.

Furthermore, for 1.5 million, I dont see of getting a quality vet at any position to replace a starter should one go down, god forbid. We may get a guy, but how much better than the be (let's use the o line for the sake of argument) than KO, Reid, Williams or any other depth player on our roster. If we had such a need, and such a player was available, Im sure Ozzie would have already made a move to get him rather than risk an 11th hour deal

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1346795550' post='1139408']

I mean thats what depth is supposedly for, but still 1.5 million isnt very much either.
[/quote]If someone goes to ir, jah Reid for example, of Sean c with his concussions, 1/2 mil probably wouldn't even get you a vet to replenish your roster to 53 again.... That's the point I'm making and thats probably why they done it. Your hands are tied with only 1/2 a mil, they have a wee bit of breathing room now.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1346795674' post='1139411']
If someone goes to ir, jah Reid for example, of Sean c with his concussions, 1/2 mil probably wouldn't even get you a vet to replenish your roster to 53 again.... That's the point I'm making and thats probably why they done it. Your hands are tied with only 1/2 a mil, they have a wee bit of breathing room now.
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yea I realize that, but I edited my post to explain my point a bit more, but in a nutshell I dont think the reward ( a tiny bit of breathing room) outweighed the risk of the possible disaster losing Mckinnie ie our LT would create so close to the season opener.

[BmoreRav]

We also agreed injury settlements with Baggs and Balasavage today which frees up a little more space.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1346787675' post='1139225']
I think Williams gets the start at LG.
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I hope not. KO had the better preseason.

[RavensPunkXVX]

Well, the media (twitter) blew this out of proportion, even McKinnie with his text messages. Glad to see he stuck around. We didn't need that big of a change a week before the opener.

[Purple Punishment]

So how much are we under the cap? Enough for a Pass rusher??

[RavensPunkXVX]

From what I read, his salary dropped to 2.2 Million, but can make his original salary if he reaches 50 percent play time incentive.

[AsianRice]

I feel like Ozzie will make a big move or something............can't wait......

[ThePurpleWall]

[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000058110/article/bryant-mckinnie-ravens-work-out-restructured-contract?module=HP11_headline_stack"]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000058110/article/bryant-mckinnie-ravens-work-out-restructured-contract?module=HP11_headline_stack[/url]

[BMORElegacy]

McKinnie could have walked and signed for much more elsewhere. Hate the guy all you want but the fact that he stuck it out to play here for an incentive laden deal tells me loads about his character. He's ready to play this year and won't let this organization down. This may very well be a season long audition for a new contract.

I'm looking forward to seeing a more conditioned and motivated McKinnie out there anchoring the line. The weight loss was vital if they end up using the no-huddle as frequently as they're alluding to.

[RavensWin09]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1346806010' post='1139591']
McKinnie could have walked and signed for much more elsewhere. Hate the guy all you want but the fact that he stuck it out to play here for an incentive laden deal tells me loads about his character. He's ready to play this year and won't let this organization down. This may very well be a season long audition for a new contract.

I'm looking forward to seeing a more conditioned and motivated McKinnie out there anchoring the line. The weight loss was vital if they end up using the no-huddle as frequently as they're alluding to.
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many people on this site have been overlooking exactly what you just said and have been hating him for his twitter comments. he is getting the wrong perception right now and i don't get it. sure hes not the best LT in the NFL but i can't underestimate the importance he has on joe and our offense line play. he is crucial.

[ravensfan2430]

[quote name='RavensWin09' timestamp='1346806331' post='1139595']

many people on this site have been overlooking exactly what you just said and have been hating him for his twitter comments. he is getting the wrong perception right now and i don't get it. sure hes not the best LT in the NFL but i can't underestimate the importance he has on joe and our offense line play. he is crucial.
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[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1346806010' post='1139591']
McKinnie could have walked and signed for much more elsewhere. Hate the guy all you want but the fact that he stuck it out to play here for an incentive laden deal tells me loads about his character. He's ready to play this year and won't let this organization down. This may very well be a season long audition for a new contract.

I'm looking forward to seeing a more conditioned and motivated McKinnie out there anchoring the line. The weight loss was vital if they end up using the no-huddle as frequently as they're alluding to.
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I agree with both of you guys. From what I can see and from what I have heard Mckinnie is in a lot better shape than last season...and I thought he played pretty good at LT last year. I expect a little improvement this year.... Looking forward to seeing him on the line.

[beasy2487]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1346806010' post='1139591']
[b]McKinnie could have walked and signed for much more elsewhere. Hate the guy all you want but the fact that he stuck it out to play here for an incentive laden deal tells me loads about his character. He's ready to play this year and won't let this organization down. This may very well be a season long audition for a new contract.[/b]

I'm looking forward to seeing a more conditioned and motivated McKinnie out there anchoring the line. The weight loss was vital if they end up using the no-huddle as frequently as they're alluding to.
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This confuses me. He could've signed for much more somewhere else [i]this [/i]year, but he chose to make less and play here because... he could win a Super Bowl and that could lead a big long term contract? Gotta disagree with that sentiment. These guys care about the money, period. Ray Rice is the highest character guy on our team (some might argue it's Lewis but Rice didn't need a huge screw up to put him on the right path) and he held out for the money. Some might say oh well he ended up taking a smaller deal than Foster. No he didn't. He got more guaranteed and, given the rate at which backs get injured (especially tall lanky backs), I guarantee you he he makes way more than Foster in the end. All that to say, if he could be making more elsewhere--especially with the debt he's piled up--he would be.

The Ravens wouldn't have taken this risk if they weren't in a position of power. If cap space was the driver we would've just cut Deonte and tried to get him on the practice squad. Ozzie looked at McKinnie's body of work, looked at what the team needed from him, and restructured a contract that would guarantee we get our money's worth.

Character? I wouldn't be at all surprised if he leaked the story in the first place to try to get the Ravens to cave.

[beasy2487]

[quote name='beasy2487' timestamp='1346809334' post='1139648']
This confuses me. He could've signed for much more somewhere else [i]this [/i]year, but he chose to make less and play here because... he could win a Super Bowl and that could lead a big long term contract.... at his age with his known and repeatedly verified work ethic issues? Gotta disagree with that sentiment. These guys care about the money, period. Ray Rice is the highest character guy on our team (some might argue it's Lewis but Rice didn't need a huge legal wake up call to put him on the right path) and he held out for the money. Some might say oh well he ended up taking a smaller deal than Foster. No he didn't. He got more guaranteed and, given the rate at which backs get injured (especially tall lanky backs), I guarantee you he he makes way more than Foster in the end. All that to say, if McKinnie could be making more elsewhere, he would be.

The Ravens wouldn't have taken this risk if they weren't in a position of power. If cap space was the driver we would've just cut Deonte and tried to get him on the practice squad. Ozzie looked at McKinnie's body of work, looked at what the team needed from him, and restructured a contract that would guarantee we get our money's worth.

Character? I wouldn't be at all surprised if he leaked the story in the first place to try to get the Ravens to cave.
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[Marc2k6]

I think it is DIRTY what the Raven's have pulled on Mckinnie. I think they did this because they knew the could knowing his current financial situation.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Marc2k6' timestamp='1346811598' post='1139713']
I think it is DIRTY what the Raven's have pulled on Mckinnie. I think they did this because they knew the could knowing his current financial situation.
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He could have gone and signed somewhere else (maybe). He chose to work out a deal with the team that GAVE him his 2nd and 3rd chances in the NFL.

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1346811684' post='1139715']
He could have gone and signed somewhere else (maybe). He chose to work out a deal with the team that GAVE him his 2nd and 3rd chances in the NFL.
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You are right he could have. I wonder who would play LT? From what I here McKinnie was approached by the Ravens yesterday GM & HC telling him they did not think he was 1 of the top 5 linemen on the team and he needed to make a decision by 4:00 pm today.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='beasy2487' timestamp='1346809334' post='1139648']
This confuses me. He could've signed for much more somewhere else [i]this [/i]year, but he chose to make less and play here because... he could win a Super Bowl and that could lead a big long term contract? Gotta disagree with that sentiment. These guys care about the money, period. Ray Rice is the highest character guy on our team (some might argue it's Lewis but Rice didn't need a huge screw up to put him on the right path) and he held out for the money. Some might say oh well he ended up taking a smaller deal than Foster. No he didn't. He got more guaranteed and, given the rate at which backs get injured (especially tall lanky backs), I guarantee you he he makes way more than Foster in the end. All that to say, if he could be making more elsewhere--especially with the debt he's piled up--he would be.

The Ravens wouldn't have taken this risk if they weren't in a position of power. If cap space was the driver we would've just cut Deonte and tried to get him on the practice squad. Ozzie looked at McKinnie's body of work, looked at what the team needed from him, and restructured a contract that would guarantee we get our money's worth.

Character? I wouldn't be at all surprised if he leaked the story in the first place to try to get the Ravens to cave.
[/quote]What the team needs from McKinnie is a starting caliber left tackle. And if he plays up to his potential that is exactly what he is. He's worked hard on his conditioning and has officially agreed to a contract that will reward him for doing what he is capable of doing. He could have gone to a team like Jacksonville who has money to burn and signed for much much more, but he didn't. He stuck it out here and chose the hard path. I respect the guy a lot for choosing the harder of two roads. And when it's all said and done both parties benefit. We get a serviceable left tackle on a roster otherwise void of viable options at that position, and Bryant gets his pay day to take a chunk out of those debts.

Call me naive but I'm hoping that he turns things around and we can rely on him for a couple of more years. He's still relatively young and if given the right environment could become a very good tackle again. You can't teach the physical attributes McKinnie possesses and he has the ability to throw a man like Harrison to the ground. I don't know about you, but any tackle that can throw Harrison around like a rag doll should be given every opportunity to become a contributor on this roster.

[PolishRifle]

[quote name='Marc2k6' timestamp='1346812418' post='1139729']
You are right he could have. I wonder who would play LT? From what I here McKinnie was approached by the Ravens yesterday GM & HC telling him they did not think he was 1 of the top 5 linemen on the team and he needed to make a decision by 4:00 pm today.
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There was an interesting article on Profootballtalk about McKinnies debt. Here is the most interesting part of it:

[i]Per the report, the lawsuit was settled on July 17. The agreement provides that Pro Player Funding will receive half of the net on McKinnie’s $3.2 million salary, and half of any future earnings from the Ravens.[/i]
[i]The lending company will undertake no other effort to enforce or collect the money.[/i]
[i]It’s unclear whether, if McKinnie is cut and signs with the new team, the garnishment obligation will continue.[/i]
[i]If that’s the case, it could explain why McKinnie was three days late to training camp. If he could have gotten the Ravens to cut him and if he could sign with a new team and owe the lending agency nothing, McKinnie could have potentially come out ahead elsewhere.[/i]

Basically there is the possibility that McKinnie is using the Ravens organisation to dodge fully paying his debt. I agree, that the Ravens were playing dirty leaving McKinnie with no other option, but to settle for less, but then again he doesn't seem to treat the Ravens much better trying to hussle them out of his commiment to the organisation he is contractually obligated to.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1346817663' post='1139789']


There was an interesting article on Profootballtalk about McKinnies debt. Here is the most interesting part of it:

[i]Per the report, the lawsuit was settled on July 17. The agreement provides that Pro Player Funding will receive half of the net on McKinnie’s $3.2 million salary, and half of any future earnings from the Ravens.[/i]
[i]The lending company will undertake no other effort to enforce or collect the money.[/i]
[i]It’s unclear whether, if McKinnie is cut and signs with the new team, the garnishment obligation will continue.[/i]
[i]If that’s the case, it could explain why McKinnie was three days late to training camp. If he could have gotten the Ravens to cut him and if he could sign with a new team and owe the lending agency nothing, McKinnie could have potentially come out ahead elsewhere.[/i]

Basically there is the possibility that McKinnie is using the Ravens organisation to dodge fully paying his debt. I agree, that the Ravens were playing dirty leaving McKinnie with no other option, but to settle for less, but then again he doesn't seem to treat the Ravens much better trying to hussle them out of his commiment to the organisation he is contractually obligated to.
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Its actually saying quite the opposite. There seems to be a greater chance (per whats stated here and you quoted) that he'd pay less (if anything at all) IF he were to sign elsewhere. Would he be signed, is what is going through his head and the main reason he agreed to reduce his base to $2.2M.

[PolishRifle]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1346849174' post='1139874']
Its actually saying quite the opposite. There seems to be a greater chance (per whats stated here and you quoted) that he'd pay less (if anything at all) IF he were to sign elsewhere. Would he be signed, is what is going through his head and the main reason he agreed to reduce his base to $2.2M.
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I never claimed or said anything about him receiving more or less money. I just said, that this would all explain his previous behavior like not showing up for training camp, no being in shape for training camp and so on. There for he was not holding up to his end of his contract by intentionally trying to get cut.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='PolishRifle' timestamp='1346854232' post='1139910']


I never claimed or said anything about him receiving more or less money. I just said, that this would all explain his previous behavior like not showing up for training camp, no being in shape for training camp and so on. There for he was not holding up to his end of his contract by intentionally trying to get cut.
[/quote]this contract was only put in place recently. after he was back practicing.